| IVOD_ID |
167416 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167416 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T09:20:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T09:36:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325bc51c4bf71af036c605351cf5c593b4e33a3492b9e2994d9baf1408e11982b4235ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:02 - 09:36:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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謝謝主席有請我們行政院卓院長還有我們行政院副院長鄭麗君副院長請這一次的談判代表楊代表是不是也請我們農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長請備詢 |
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院長 副院長 辛苦我想今天聽了院長針對台美關稅這樣的一個專報聽到了很多讓民眾安心的地方但是其實有一些對產業的一個衝擊本席在這個地方也不得不提出憂慮也就是說從這一次我們看到2025年 |
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4月3號川普宣布32%的一個對等關稅然後呢我們政府開始去做一個因應到了去年的2025年8月1號談出一個暫時性的一個稅率28加MFN |
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那到了2026年都到今年就是其實是幾天前2月13號我們談出了一個國人跟我們行政團隊啊拍手叫好2月13號這個簽署的一個ART的一個協定15%不疊加可是呢這個2月20號啊美國最高法院就裁定啊這個 |
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引用的法源有問題啊那所以又認為他是違憲或者是違法那在2月24號呢川普用引用的這個貿易法一二二條款那又變成15%又疊加MFN最後一個待遇所以我在這個地方要請教就是說我們這一次的談判裡面我請教副院長你認為 |
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取得最重大的一個勝利行政團隊你們覺得自豪的地方是哪一點報告委員台美歷經十個月兩個階段的談判我國跟美國是對等關稅及232條款並談我們分別簽署了ART對等貿易協定跟投資MOU取得在逆差國中對等關稅最佳的待遇15%不疊加 |
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以及232條款下最惠國待遇我想這是雙重的一個最佳待遇所以這個談判結果我想對於不論我們是傳統產業農業以及高科技產業 |
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過去在10個月前以及10個月內造成衝擊已經大幅減緩甚至未來我們將由副轉正來提升我國在國際上的競爭力我想這是我們的一個談判結果那委員所關心的有關美國高院的判決那我想美國政府已經說得很清楚232條款 |
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是不受影響的所以我們取得的232的多項的關稅優惠是不受影響的那至於在對等關稅所簽署的ART的部分那美國政府也已經宣布了未來他們的關稅政策方向不變但是判決失效的IEPA的法律工具美國將會有替代性的法律途徑的安排 |
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那階段性的是122條款目前行政命令公布的是10%加MFN那當然川普總統他有說可能會提高到15%那目前我們還在關注中他要怎麼提高那至於122是一個過渡性的階段性安排未來其實USTR美國貿易代表組格瑞爾大使已經說了他可能會啟動301條款或其他的法律途徑來重建原來對等關稅的法律途徑 |
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來反映出前階段的一個談判的結果所以我想我方政府的目標非常清楚就過去已經爭取到最佳待遇未來在美方過渡性的措施以及後續法律基礎的一個重整的過程當中我方持續努力溝通來確保我們已經取得具相對優勢的最佳待遇 |
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我們有信心達成這個目標來維繫我們產業已經取得的在國際競爭上的相對優勢那我們已經跟美方取得聯繫我們會密切保持聯繫跟溝通我們期待的不是只有行政團隊有信心我們期待的是行政團隊談判完以後這一些具體的 |
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談判結果可以去做一個落實我為什麼這樣講呢你像譬如說成儒副院長你所講的有百分之七十六八裡面涉及到232的部分你們簽訂了MOU這部分這間安全過關這個整體來看為什麼國人會認為該給你們掌聲的地方 |
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高科技 你說半導體也好AI也好 伺服器也好那這一些是台灣的一個強項整個供應鏈強得不得了 毛利也高這個部分維持原來的那24%這個部分就令人擔心了但最擔心的是在什麼地方你本來好不容易去彈出一個ART你本來是不疊加了這個2月13號簽署了以後15%不疊加MFN |
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那你整個談判的內容裡面啊裡面可是有471項裡面的產品是豁免可是美國現在川普一個行政命令馬上就跟你講說我現在用122你原來那些豁免 |
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不見了也就是說整個法條一轉換授權一轉換以後我們原來那一些可以得到過免的地方本來是可以領的美國政府跟你說我現在全部都收回那這一些衝擊啊如果站在一個理性的國民來看整體的談判成功 給掌聲可是如果站在整個農業來看的話 |
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我看了實在有點心驚膽跳啦我是一個農家子弟啊 問淨產啊農民很辛苦我都非常清楚啦譬如說這一次美國這個叫做對等關稅在本席看來這哪是對等關稅這個全部都是在懲罰全世界啊台灣身為美國的第四大的一個順差的一個貿易國 |
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我們賺太多嘛所以呢川普也因為說全世界賺太多全部隆重給你課懲罰關稅講的叫做對等關稅那可是那個單方面課以後很大的一個麻煩就是台灣的出口的強項是工業工業賺順差台灣的並非強項的農業我們就必須要去扛關稅要扛關稅我來請教我們的 |
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農業部長好了 農業部長我們一年對美國農產品的出口多少跟委員報告 出口的部分是37億37億才38億沒有 那是應該是8.9億 對不起8.9億 應該是進口進口是36.9億進口37億 出口8.9億我們出口那8億多少 比較高一點 |
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但靜靠三十倍贏了農業來講的話整體來看我們是逆差 |
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只是我們衰咧我們不去美國賣酒 我們自己賺很多我們今天被懲罰的部分是因為我們享受了很多貿易的順差所以川普針對這一些美國針對這一些貿易順差的國家他就要給你懲罰這個就對等關稅 我懲罰你可是針對農業來講的話這次的一個談判結果我是開心不起來啦整體來看對整個國家那當然我們的影響會不大 |
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跟其他國家來做比較的話,我們算不錯可是農業來講我出口比較不高盈我進口比較不三十八盈好了,這個關稅我變成我農業來中槍我來舉例就好了啦你本來蝴蝶蘭的部分美國市場你占四成以上啦它現在15%15%你的利潤全部都歧視掉了那你競爭對手你看荷蘭就是我們最大的競爭對手嘛 |
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泰式15%是 但問題是荷蘭跟我們模式不一樣我們是要海運我們要運輸啊再加15%荷蘭 我跟你一樣都15%但是荷蘭它是怎麼樣它蝴蝶蘭是怎麼樣我直接在美國那個地方設廠啊 |
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我們臺灣也在美國社長 我跟委員報告我們要比高的市場 我們現在臨時性的一二條款10%或以後的15%我們跟荷蘭的立足點是一樣的那現在我們在美國的市佔率 我說市佔率以113年來是46%跟荷蘭也差不多 所以我們兩國是勢均力敵一直在競爭我們的美國市場那現在的競爭的基礎是一樣的那我相信我們 一定有不一樣 |
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不一樣 立即的 核心不一樣模式也不同 我跟委員做一個報告在我們原來ART爭取到的我們的蝴蝶藍是豁免的也就是說我們原來MFN是零對等也豁免 專屬豁免所以我們就憂鬱 可是122在150天裡面就沒有豁免會不會再延長也不知道 |
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122是一個過渡的階段目前是10加MA分那這是一個過渡階段所以美國政府已經有說明了過渡階段之後會啟動其他法律途徑那我們推估我想未來的法律途徑調查之下的結果某種程度應該會反映談判結果那也就是我們要去爭取確保的一個目標那所以我們有達成協議的國家是嘛是嘛ART是一個我們有利的基礎 |
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所以我們一定會持續確保我們在農業取得的相對優勢所以我們一定會持續確保我們在農業取得的相對優勢所以我們一定會持續確保我們在農業取得的相對優勢所以我們一定會持續確保我們在農業取得的相對優勢 |
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會不會再延長 我也相信啊啊就簽署下去 經過兩邊的國會以後那當然它就是一個穩定的一個架構啊它是一個有利的基礎是一個基礎沒有錯啊 但是你150天這150天政府要怎麼幫忙我跟委員報告喔 這150天就跟去年4月以前一樣 |
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我們補充我們不要用這個角度 |
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我要講的就是說 一定會受到衝擊啦我們政府就必須要當農民的後盾市場開發不易啦這第一個蝴蝶蘭的部分啦我絕對肯定你們一定會有行政措施我希望我們品牌打出來以後我們也可以去升級因為它整個經營成本是不一樣的第二個我再來舉例 毛豆就好我們非常認同 我們會絕對支持產業不論任何變數 |
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我們都讓我們的產業能夠維繫相對的競爭力我們也會爭取到最後的結果講到很多的成果我都肯認我是從這些擔心的本來跟我農業沒有事情的整體談判下來以後我本來就是弱勢我本來出口就是比較少還進口更多還要開放 |
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雙重打擊你知道嗎我再舉一個矛盾就好了委員我三點跟你報告我們已經有300億的農安基金作為後盾這個可以解決未來可能發生的種種狀況再來美方政府已經說過了他延續延續後續的作為之後他會通知包括我國在內其他已經簽署的一些國家我們那時候才會知道我們確保的這個阿特的最有利的待遇會不會得到 |
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維繫住 我們現在就全力來爭取這個再來15%不疊加的這個關稅還沒有發生所以我們院長我們今天才必須要這個專報嘛你本來說阿特我告訴你 我就專報給你拍拍我給你農業 你就把農民都倒極其得現在就變成是122的條款這150天政府怎麼來支持我還談到第二個 你說毛豆就好啦中國本來是這樣 中國都不會說嘛 對不對 |
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本來就是說中美之間的貿易大戰 台灣撬一塊肉的魚肉給它開拓一點市場 好啦 現在大家都一樣以後中國賣不到美國去的 會賣到什麼地方去 日本日本台灣是占七成 台灣本來到日本市場占七成啊中國到美國是占七成啊 |
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他做他的 我們做我們的你現在賣米還賣不賣給他之後他全部都把你丟到日本去你說對台灣不會有衝擊一定產生嚴重的衝擊嘛所以我要跟你說的 柏定不是說你沒搞我要跟你說的是說這八五天裡面要怎麼做一個因應尤其是 我很擔心啦八五天 你說我笑笑咧八五天之後跟你說不然再延一百天 |
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很難講啦尤其是你看 譬如說 部長你最清楚啊你過頭腦的部分 本地15% 現在15%又變成加MFN 被寫出口去到美國嘿嘿 你再加這15%下去齁 我如果買這裡 我跟你講啦 |
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15%的利潤也差不多再來喔 黑人也要挨挨救啦李純也差不多在那裡報告委員 是不是我跟委員補充一下這個現在行政命令還是10加1倍分當然川普總統說15現在10加1倍分我們還會再觀察那毛豆的部分我們之前是23因為是20加1倍分那現在就是10加 |
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3.8那未來即使15的話是18.8跟越南泰國中國立足平等如果我們未來鞏固R的談判結果我們會優於越南泰國中國那您關心的這個鬼頭刀的這個部分如果我們這個目前如果是以 |
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這個10或15跟越南厄瓜多立足平等但如果我們能夠鞏固ART的成果其實我們也會立足平等相對優勢所以我簡而言之第一個我們原來ART的談判結果並沒有委員所說的雙重衝擊 |
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我們爭取到的出口優勢我們在進口的部分守住我們糧食安全的重要項目那的確現在面對一二二的行政命令我們會全力支持我們的產業來面對新的優勢那我們未來會鞏固我們的台灣成果 |
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我講一句話 就是說我們現在你關心這8.5天1.2條款裡面我們怎麼樣去協助農民我跟委員報告我們已經持續 像軌道道來講我們已經持續 |
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你到最後你這個東南亞的成本他更低啊他更低啊所以對台灣你說沒有衝擊那是不可能今天的一個狀況要分析啊最主要是說擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
一個衝擊的部分期待我們政委法可以給農民給漁民更大的一個當他們的一個後度啊如果沒有人要跟我們說我滿意啊我是針對說農民 漁民無辜啦因為我正是在談的是在講貿易的一個勝差懲罰的一個關稅啊跟農民幹什麼因為台灣事務部別家並沒有發財所以我們回到原來 |
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好 我們那個是不是其他的不用問 你用書面問書面回答莊委員 好不好好 謝謝莊委員謝謝莊委員為農民發言 |