| IVOD_ID |
165186 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165186 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-07T15:01:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-07T15:17:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7b2debd084f055f08c2e26c2e6c3c84fda8d1794993bca4437c4dc073b7ad873ef82c2ad75f039eb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:01:44 - 15:17:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議（事由：一、同意權之行使事項：本院交通、教育及文化兩委員會報告審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。（11月7日上午報告事項後）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月7日下午及11日）三、11月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席我先請行政院院長麻煩再請左院長備詢王委員好 |
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院長好院長這兩天有一個政策出現大轉彎而且引起軒然大波就是我們的衛福部長宣布的補充保費這件事情行政院在昨天晚上緊急喊卡我想請問一下卓院長對於衛福部所 |
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宣布的補充保費的內容跟決策你事先知道嗎還是如同媒體所報導你是看到報紙才知道跟委員報告衛福部長期以來對健保的財政要做全面的改革一直是一個很重大的對所以我也很肯定衛福部 |
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用他各種的設算去提出未來健保財政改革的方案但是這個補充保費他所宣布的內容你事先知情嗎這個整個詳細的內容沒有到這麼詳細但我們知道比方說他把這個一千萬的門檻上限拉高到五千萬 |
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這個部分的討論是有過的那其他也有一些討論利息鼓勵租金這個就是涉及到包含小資族跟一般的散戶的這部分的補充保費這個案子 |
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你知情嗎是不是那媒體報導有沒有出入呢你是不是是這個想起你是在媒體看到的我們在衛福部提出的整個報告裡面我們有看到他有一份這樣的想法但是這個想法要經過嚴謹的衛福部跟行政院內部討論才會出來公告就是要聽取社會共同的意見為什麼後來突然喊卡因為包括 |
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連衛福部都說這個案子的細節根本沒有跟金管會來溝通討論過這樣的決策模式請問院長覺得這樣可取嗎所以他並不是一個定案既定的要實施的他就是一個預告讓社會各界來提供意見 |
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這樣引起軒然大波你會不會覺得在你們的部會之間的溝通應該要做檢討可以更好這一次的這樣的整個的大轉彎緊急喊咖院長有震怒嗎沒有 |
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不必為這樣子震怒我要了解整個事情的來龍去脈院長其實今天我們是經濟部門的質詢但是我要講的就是政府為了這個財政收入的增加不管是健保也好或者其他也好今年其實已經有兩起這樣的事件包含之前年初的750元之亂這個其實我們之前是討論過的 |
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就是突然這個速發部要對這個進口3C的產品要課徵750塊還有這一次的健保補充保費的部分所以院長其實老實講我不大曉得你們哪來的底氣我都覺得我要恭喜你們了 |
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以為你的這個施政滿意度是60% 70%才會搞出這樣的一個狀況嗎所以這樣的一個政策的混亂我認為一定要避免而且涉及到民眾特別是深斗小民他們的支出或者要跟他們身上去科學也好規範也好一定要更為慎重您同意嗎兩點跟我們回報 |
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民調再高都應該要妥善的溝通對這個民調無關第二點我在這裡都講過健保的改革是要讓高收入的國人多負擔一些沒錯這個才是大原則你們現在都是跟一般的小股民跟小資族好時間暫停一下我請一下經濟部長時間暫停麻煩請經濟部長備詢 |
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時間繼續好 院長 經濟部長這兩天還有一個非常重大的當然外界看起來也是一個政策大轉彎但是如果轉彎的話我個人是非常肯定的卓院長曾經說非核家園是不可放棄的目標 |
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但是大家也知道在錯誤的能源政策下大家一直都認為台灣不應該完全的摒除核電這兩天包含台電對外宣稱說核二核三有重啟的機會跟條件 |
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好包含媒體問我們拱部長的時候呢拱部長也沒有否認這件事情但是只是說這個呢需要有啟動還是要有一些和安的檢討而且時間不一定會一樣好所以我想請教院長 |
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在政策上現在行政院支不支持台電提供提到經濟部的有關於現在開始來評估評估何二何三長重啟的計畫行政院支持嗎在有法律的改變之後我們尊重專業的 |
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這個分析跟科學的根據如果專業跟科學認為有重啟的可能性而且安全無虞在有法律合法的基礎底下那就請台電進行自主安全檢查的這個程序那看結果如何我們再來以最後的結果來做判斷 |
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院長其實今天的宣誓是一個非常重大的轉換我們說整個肺核家園從今年的5月17號和珊走入歷史之後那麼當然是在這之前我們立法院就努力了推動法案以我個人而言我從我補選立委到後來的參加大選我的 |
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問政還有我的選舉的政見都把希望爭取核二核三廠研議作為我的政見老師說今天有這樣子的一個轉圜我個人我相信我們絕大部分的企業產業還有絕大部分的國人是支持的我也要請委員也能夠支持政府多元開發多元綠能的這項政策跟努力 |
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待會我就會談到綠的不是不支持但是不支持掏空的行為這個題我還要請教 |
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過去為什麼要推動研議因為台電曾經評估過荷爾核三廠的研議費用研議是要有費用的分別是150億到300億但是重啟的費用當時在整個的公投的時候環團他們提出來的評估說如果核三要重啟的話那麼時間要耗費5到10年 |
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花費的費用高達4900億元請教部長 環團這樣的說法是不是接近事實的應該不是這樣應該不是 那大概是多少重啟的費用大概是多少因為現在我們要自主檢查以後跟這個原廠評估以後才可以知道但是當然國外是有一些經驗那是不是一定會比重這個研議的費用要高 |
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國外的重啟不會像這個右邊這樣的數字這麼高不會好但是一定會比研議高我在這邊我就必須要說因為當初評估的價錢跟現在因為現在物價上漲等等一些情況所以我要講的 |
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重啟的成本時間成本費用成本一定會比研議要高這是必然的所以我要講就是說雖然我支持我支持我們現在和二和三開始重新的來啟動他們可以重啟的開始的評估這個程序但是因為我真的覺得我要講就是說當時我們說破嘴 |
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核三廠在今年5月17號走入歷史短短半年之間然後我們真的覺得撐不下去了然後要現在重啟核二核三現在連核二都要重啟評估 |
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當然我知道這個壓力很多是來自於美方最近美國有太多的智庫也好專家也好能源的相關也好或者是國安的相關也好都指出台灣能源韌性脆弱的一面所以重啟核電我相信有很多來自於美方的壓力可是錢是我們台灣老百姓出的不是嗎 |
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早知今日 何必當初你覺得當年讓河山廠就這樣走入歷史是不是很可惜的事情河山廠5月17號他庭議是基於當時河管法40年的規定那後來經過大院把它延長了 |
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但是我想委員我提醒在當時5月17號的那個時候我要求台電河山廠的人員不能讓他離開一定要保留在原廠裡面因為我們未來還要做很多包括河山廠的善後乃至於新的核能技術的接觸等等所以我們就是有準備當有新的核能技術的時候我們要開放態度來整個跟世界做共同討論的 |
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我們還好啦 核二核三廠至少核二廠也沒有下核一廠把燃料棒全部都送回去了今天才有機會來做重啟那另外齁我要剛才講到綠能我們支持綠能 時間暫停一下我想也請農業部長上台時間暫停 麻煩請農業部長備詢 |
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院長我剛才就說我不知道行政院現在還是有哪來的底氣可以做這樣政策混亂這樣的大轉彎剛才講補充保費最近還發生就是台肥董事長吳英寧人事的事件 |
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吳英寧在公布大概兩天你們農業部還幫他保證在龐大的社會的輿論壓力之下大轉彎他當董事沒有當董事長 |
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院長這不是第一個案例去年對不對台灣今年同樣的是發布他當董事長吳政章結果呢號稱是賴清德震怒三天下台錯誤的人士吳政章下台 |
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另外經濟部主導成立的綠能科技的中心前執行長鄭益齡他也是去出任我們的台智電副總經理後來涉入弊案被生壓我要講的是這些重要的國營事業人士為何如此草率為何會有這樣大轉圜台北市上市公司不是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
740.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
753.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
你沒有股權嗎 你的股權將近四分之一他還是上市公司跟國營事業不一樣的如果沒有農業部的支持如果沒有農業部的支持 吳亦寧可以當董事長嗎可以當董事嗎 你還好意思在這邊強辯我們推薦他 吳亦寧本身他還是國營事業本身他對農業夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
766.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
792.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這些人士難道你們不應該檢討嗎你如果覺得他那麼好農業部不是肯定吳怡寧嗎你讓他當董事長啊吳怡寧本身他對農業本身的產業範疇是夠了解的我要講的是國營事業其實過去的人碧綠藍綠啊很多國營事業非常積憂但是我們現在看到的幾大國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
794.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
823.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
院長我不曉得你知不知道我們現在幾大台電嚴重虧損這個大家知道了中油現在也在嚴重虧損中累積有沒有虧損嗎有沒有虧損還要再強變你以為只有中油跟台電嗎台水 唐榮 台船現在通通是在虧損中我要特別講一下中鋼院長有沒有買過中鋼的股票 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
823.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
843.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我到現在沒有買過任何一張股票中鋼過去是台灣的基優股以前在台積電之前很多的股民要存股要存什麼股 中鋼因為中鋼是一家基優的公司到現在股民130萬股 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
845.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
859.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
最近我連續參加中鋼工會兩次的記者會為什麼中鋼員工在抗議在配合政策下讓中鋼去參與了星達海基的投資綠能啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
862.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
880.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
風電基座讓中鋼一下子虧損了64億之多虧損完了我現在最近才知道喔國發基金也有投資然後還要求中鋼把國發基金的股票也把它買回去因為不要再增加國發基金的虧損了國發基金虧損也虧損累累啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
884.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
907.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
他是一塊錢買回去的不是用原價這家公司都快要倒掉了啦還要讓人家買回去股權還是有啊有啊 是啊所以怎麼樣倒逼公司讓中鋼去承受讓龐大的130萬股民去承受嗎我今天要講的是今天我們未來都會在歷史留名當年的趙鐵頭 趙耀東先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
909.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
926.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
大家抬到趙鐵頭是說他把中鋼帶得那麼好成為台灣一等一的公司結果你現在讓中鋼虧損累累院長你知道中鋼現在虧損多少嗎中鋼的虧損也有一個原因是來自中國低價鋼的競爭來取消這是其中之一所以院長以中鋼這麼好的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
934.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
939.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
這麼好的工資啊到現在累計虧損出現了將近50億46.8億的虧損而其中投資率能慘虧64億元之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
964.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
971.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 谢谢好 谢谢王洪威委员的咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会首长备询谢谢 |