| IVOD_ID |
165096 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165096 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T12:02:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T12:13:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2ff81e248853895a4e93813deec41dbcaac005464e7b8fa97eebc5b1f2304e56a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:02:41 - 12:13:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：審查「使用牌照稅法」29案：（僅詢答）
一、行政院函請審議、本院委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員陳超明等18人、委員羅明才等20人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等27人、委員許宇甄等22人、委員邱若華等17人、委員林俊憲等26人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員李彥秀等16人、委員蘇清泉等18人、委員徐欣瑩等24人、委員郭昱晴等19人、委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員郭國文等18人、委員吳沛憶等17人、委員葛如鈞等16人、委員沈發惠等17人、委員林思銘等22人、委員賴士葆等25人、委員黃健豪等20人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案」等24案。【後2案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員廖先翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員牛煦庭等17人、委員鍾佳濱等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案」等2案。【後1案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
五、本院委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
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2023年夏天在凱道上面有一個非常重要的公民活動那場活動發起的人我是其中之一 |
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2023年夏天頂著酷暑那個時候在凱道上面的年輕人提出了兩個重要的訴求一個是司法正義司法正義當然過去這幾年成為笑話第二個是居住正義居住正義當年我們大力的在倡導囤房稅跟空屋稅政府說他聽到了然後推出了所謂的囤房稅2.0 |
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這個囤房稅2.0當初我看了這個版本的以後我就曾經預言過這個囤房稅2.0你們所推出來財政部的版本是沒有辦法達成成效的 |
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沒有辦法達成成效這個是我當年的預言這個公開的資料通通都有這不是在唱衰政府這個是提出事情不過那個時候行政院還是堅持要通過行政院的版本行政院的版本那個時候民進黨的委員占多數也順利的三讀通過了 |
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三讀通過了在民主國家裡面我們在國會當然是福音多數的決定但多數的決定也要接受事後的檢視囤房稅2.0部長你覺得有達成釋出空屋減少囤房的政策目標嗎 |
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跟委員報告這次房屋稅2.0這個部分我們有幾個基礎我想還是要跟委員再報告第一個原來是縣市歸戶不好意思我們是全國歸戶我那個因為質詢的時間有限我不需要你再告訴我你們規範了什麼內容你們規範的內容我都很清楚我現在問的是成效的問題屯房稅2.0你們說那個時候有報告空屋稅在裡面我現在的問題很簡單對於釋出空屋 |
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釋出空屋沒有人住的房子房子是拿來住的房子不是拿來炒的也不是拿來囤的對釋出空屋這樣的政策目標有達成嗎 |
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因為今年是第一年實施到五月底為止目前的相關的數據我們一直在統計當中統計以後的結果我們要去做回饋看看統計以後的結果目前還在統計中目前還在統計我先秀給你看來你說你還要在統計當中你們回去慢慢統計空污率9.79過去六年最高 |
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囤房稅2.03讀後空污率持續上升我完全都是按照官方的資料我完全都是按照官方的資料這個是NGO團體合作大家做出來的結果NGO做得出來我們的財政部現在為了閃躲問題回去還要統計喔還是他做的數字不對 |
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這個部分我們目前正在統計當中我們按照個別的狀況來做分別的統計一樣在講空話嘛所以我具體的請教你嘛你看上面啊全部都是官方公佈的數字啊全部都是官方公佈的數字我現在告訴你啊你回你迴避問題閃躲問題說你要回去研究NG又把數字都亮出來啦屯房村2.03度通過以後空污的數量 |
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與空污率持續的上升啊這個數字不對嗎有達成政策效果嗎第二個沒關係啊你們回去統計要多久一個禮拜夠不夠還是要再統計一年不會我覺得一個禮拜夠不夠我們一個禮拜以內一個禮拜之內把財政部的數字啊可以對把財政部的數字交出來可不可以可以可以好第二個新清安 |
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兩任行政院長大力宣傳的新青安財政部覺得成效如何青安確實幫助了沒有房屋的青年朋友們購得的房屋這個部分確實有它的成效是幫助他們還是讓他們陷入更深的深淵 |
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我想這個部分新青安上路以後房價指數漲多少你知不知道房價上漲有諸多的因素我現在只問你新青安上路以後房價指數漲多少你知不知道就我所知大概有10%左右12.3%我們在許諾年輕人居住正義的時候要讓他買得到買得起 |
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要讓他租得到租得起所以過去大家在關注的是什麼大家在關注的就是空屋有沒有釋出來是不是繼續有囤房的現象房價是不是繼續攀高房價所得比是不是繼續惡化這個才是讓人民特別是我們的年輕世代最深刻的感受這是他們最深刻的感受 |
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不是在聽你部長上來造本宣科啊房價指數上漲12.3%部長你覺得有實現居住正義的理念嗎有嗎委員報告居住正義它採取的手段有多種是新青安是其中所以我才問你嘛從新青安你認為是真的在幫助他們還是推他們進入更痛苦的深淵 |
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我請教你這個問題嘛購屋者他就從財務上來去做考量那銀行在貸款的時候做貸錢的審核以及貸後的管理都需要做的那包含他的所得支出的那銀行的貸後管理跟房價的上漲有什麼關係貸後的管理就是他要做自助使用而且他必須要所以你的意思是說現在因為銀行貸後管理不好所以有很多新清安被拿來炒房 |
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貸後管理他是讓他一定要做自住使用而且不能夠出租也不能夠做人頭那你覺得有達到這個目標嗎目前來說銀行都在做這方面的清理所以我問你你覺得有達到這個目標嗎您的目標是指 |
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不是啊 你剛說代後管理很重要 要拿來自助嘛那我就問你嘛 現實上有落實嗎因為你一直在迴避一個最根本的問題啊我們的政府推出了各式各樣的政策有囤房稅2.0結果呢 結果空汙率持續上升空汙數持續上升我當年2023年就講了你們推的沒有用 |
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當然要檢驗客觀看出來的數字就是這樣星期二2.0要協助購屋者很多年輕人現在在問的事情是什麼是真的在協助他們還是更多的錢到了不動產市場房價越炒越高他們的主觀感受我當然要用客觀數字來呈現呈現出來的結果就是這個樣子他們的主觀感受沒有錯 |
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他們要看的不是財政部啊一樣照本宣科講的那個內容大家要看的是實際的效果到底有沒有效果讓我們變得比較好還是讓我們變得比較不好政府推薦車的目的不就在這裡嗎是要聽你們站在那邊照本宣科嗎 |
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你們到目前為止啊 針對新興安上路到現在因為 卓榮泰自己對社會講要用其他的方式來處理啊那我聽了以後我就覺得很有意思啊如果本來做得很好幹嘛用其他的方式你就繼續這樣幹就好啦連卓榮泰自己都知道有問題啊這才要修正嘛才要用其他的方式來處理嘛 |
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院會質詢的時候也有委員問他你新清安要繼續搞嗎他看起來是沒有要繼續搞啦因為他知道問題嚴重啦他說要用其他的方式啊財政部會建議行政院繼續搞新清安嗎 會嗎 |
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566.584 |
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跟委員報告新親愛目前指引狀況是要到115年7月31號當然在時間戒指之前我們會重新再檢討 對不用等到時間戒指之前啦現在效應都出來了啦現在效應都出來了有多少年輕人因此墜入了更深更重的負擔政府的承諾根本是在畫大餅這就是你們制度的成效 |
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585.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
615.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
財政部如果覺得我說的不對 那沒有關係啊拿出具體的數字來反駁我啊拿出具體的數字來告訴全國的年輕人啊我們的政策方向正確啊我們做得非常的棒啊我財政部部長一定會告訴卓榮泰這件事情一定要繼續幹你會給卓榮泰這樣的建議嗎我想這個部分我們會繼續檢討 慢慢研議我已經知道你要說什麼了啦 |
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618.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
619.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
好 我們謝謝黃國昌委員 |