| IVOD_ID |
165081 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165081 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T11:32:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T11:44:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2a47d626072c52273e93813deec41dbca372a46263f6085044699aaf52c7902745ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:19 - 11:44:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：審查「使用牌照稅法」29案：（僅詢答）
一、行政院函請審議、本院委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員陳超明等18人、委員羅明才等20人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等27人、委員許宇甄等22人、委員邱若華等17人、委員林俊憲等26人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員李彥秀等16人、委員蘇清泉等18人、委員徐欣瑩等24人、委員郭昱晴等19人、委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員郭國文等18人、委員吳沛憶等17人、委員葛如鈞等16人、委員沈發惠等17人、委員林思銘等22人、委員賴士葆等25人、委員黃健豪等20人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案」等24案。【後2案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員廖先翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員牛煦庭等17人、委員鍾佳濱等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案」等2案。【後1案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
五、本院委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝主席我請關稅署彭署長好 請關務署彭署長委員好博署長你先前的很多表現都很不錯那麼在關務的這個部分把關的部分你們確實做到可以說滴水不漏 |
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不過還是有相當大的破口而這個破口 |
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竟然是毒品那這一點讓我覺得這個是非常可怕的事情現在的毒品已經不是早年的海洛因啦這些過去常被吸食的現在很多都是新時代新類型比方說現在最厲害的這一種叫伊托蜜子這無色無味那麼它 |
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不但已經網路化的銷售而且他已經滲透到我們年輕這一輩那根據教育部他們所委託國建署他們共同的查估裡面他們查估的結果 |
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在高中職生大概我們全國55萬高中職生裡面竟然有高達百分之 |
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6.5是有在使用電子煙而電子煙就是會用到這個所謂的喪屍煙彈依託米子那國中生數字大概一半那大概一半的話大概也有一萬七千位學生也就是 |
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這種喪屍煙彈已經大量年輕化滲透到我們年輕這一輩加起來國中生高中生大概有五萬兩千位很可能涉入這個 |
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上司煙彈的稀釋那上司煙彈在查緝方面我們關務署我認為責無旁貸那關務署你們在前幾年民國110年你們建置了這個人工智慧輔助氣絲系統你們花了一億多元建置這個系統 |
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可是這個系統竟然我把它調這個數字出來以後你們比方說你們當年判讀了4256萬件當年判讀4256萬件行李竟然顯示出說裡面這個行李裡面有可疑毒品竟然顯示高達522萬件 |
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竟然高達522萬件那522萬件被你們顯示警鈴大響大家神經緊繃 大家趕快過來針對查獲的這個疑似有毒品的行李結果522萬件毒品裡面 |
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竟然只有124件有124件是真的有毒品天啊這一個AI系統花費上億元建制的AI系統他竟然判毒的錯誤率高達99.989% |
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有這麼烏龍的系統嗎所以我認為這個系統你們看要想辦法怎麼去改善因為現在還在用所以你的看法我認為對於毒品的查緝我們引進AI系統當然很好可是你引進的是什麼樣的AI |
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會不會這個系統處理建制的這些官員有什麼官商勾結嗎官商勾結A百姓I不是這樣嗎要不然怎麼有這麼荒唐的事情你看法呢 有什麼方式來改善對於這個毒品的判讀 |
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是 如同委員說的我們目前AI輔助判讀的毒品這個系統真的目前的誤判率會比較高高很多 沒有錯那我們是跟公研院合作跟公研院是應該是公研院是跟公研院合作的 |
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那這個我更訝異這我更訝異那他們現在有提出什麼改善的方式嗎跟委員報告我們現在查賭的方式我們不是真這AI它不是說針對毒品的種類就直接就判定說它是毒品我們目前第一階段是用藏匿的方式就是我們會把過去藏毒品的方式來讓AI來去學習 |
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所以目前的錯誤率會比較高是沒有錯那我們已經都在改善當中了在改善當中我們過去有那個氣毒犬我們過去用X光的方式那個也是 |
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履建大工啊那這些系統我們也應該訪國外國外他們在X光的系統上面他們在企圖權這一部分他們都屢有斬獲所以我不曉得你們這一部分到底做的怎麼樣傳統的這個方式還有還有其實有經驗的官務員 |
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或者警方的人員其實有經驗的光是看行李大概的情況還有尤其出關的時候要提領行李的人那個神色那也是一個很重要的判讀不是嗎 |
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是委員講的都沒有錯那個企圖犬我們也有44組的企圖犬就是一隻狗配一個人我們有44組那成效也不錯那X光的判毒方面我們是用高風險去篩選可疑的貨物那有密報跟沒有密報的我們海關查獲自行查獲的比例就是沒有密報自行查獲的比例都高達9成以上我們一年大概都會查獲到500件的一個毒品 |
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喪屍病毒也是我們查緝的重點我剛剛講的你這一個AI系統你竟然總判讀量4256萬件竟然他有高達520萬件是出現說這個判讀這個是有毒品然後就警示燈大亮警鈴大作大家緊張 |
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真的有520萬件的話那真的是要大緊張了這問題是當他判讀錯誤錯誤率這麼高的時候是對我們關務署對所有我們政府官員的造成困擾 |
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還有微信掃地啊然後對於被檢查行李的我們出入關的國人那也是多難堪的一件事不是這樣嗎好啦那你說這個要加強要改善我相信公園院他有那個能力啦你們要加緊連絡但是你們每年啊又編六到七千萬這你們說還要再增加辨識 |
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的這些禁品比方說肉類製品 電子菸 加熱菸或者是說塵困的紙操或者你要辨識特定農產品你們大概加了五項說要去增加辨識這幾項你光一項毒品你就誤判率這麼高了那你何來的信心 |
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加這些錢 增加附帶的這些設施那麼到底情況會是怎麼樣你這個布置的這個成效到現在也沒有看你提出任何的報告做好了沒 你說要增加這五項對鈔票 對電子菸對這個特定農產品還有對肉製品那這個部分你們用了沒 這一套系統 |
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報告委員這也是在我們次世代人工這個輔助判讀系統裡面會去做這是一個計畫那我們之所以會把這些物品列為這是AI輔助判讀的一個項目最主要是海關查緝的項目重點項目實在非常多那人力非常有限所以我們是盡量說以後要朝智慧科技的查緝的方式去努力所以才會把這些重點項目 |
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但是你們改善這個AI判讀這個速度太慢了我剛剛講的這個這幾年來你們我看到也沒什麼誤判率也沒什麼改善啊然後現在又看到你新編的預算每年這兩年你們每年都要花七千多萬六千多萬那去增設這個AI的輔助系統那又要增加判讀這五大項 |
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所以我認為你們確實要加緊不但要加緊建制 |
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而且要跟工研院專業的技術請他們要更用心在這一塊他不要說這個金額不大 一億多現在要增加的複設的這幾項也才7000多萬對工研院而言 他們認為這個小case就對了 |
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656.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以那樣子的心態下才會有誤判率這麼高誤判率高達99.99989 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
663.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
689.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這個大概是世界級的大烏龍你回去好好改善啦謝謝委員的指導阿部長也請你要多盯一盯關務署好不好跟委員補充修正一下中科院那邊我是口誤那個是中山科學研究院我們跟中山科學研究院合作跟中山科學研究院他確實比中研院他 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
690.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
706.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
抱歉抱歉 我以為他確實比龔岩岳差了一些啦是是好 謝謝謝謝王世堅委員OK 謝謝接下來請陳育珍委員發言 謝謝謝謝主席 請這個財政部長 |