| IVOD_ID |
165041 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165041 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T10:11:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T10:22:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d22c0f9d38e27bd71088b64aa779fa24d2462d9096eb7c9b6775b8ca2af51068035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:16 - 10:22:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等21人、(七)委員邱鎮軍等21人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等18人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「電信管理法第七十二條條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「電信管理法增訂第七十二條之二條文草案」案。
二、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等19人、(三)委員李坤城等17人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員黃捷等22人、(六)委員吳沛憶等16人、(七)委員林楚茵等17人、(八)委員沈伯洋等18人、(九)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「氣象法第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等22人、(七)委員邱鎮軍等23人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「商港法第十五條及第六十五條之四條文修正草案」案。
四、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員蔡其昌等22人、(三)委員王美惠等21人、(四)委員李坤城等18人、(五)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(六)委員黃捷等16人、(七)委員徐富癸等16人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「船舶法部分條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員蘇巧慧等18人擬具「船舶法第八條及第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一第(九)至(十二)案、開會事由二第(七)至(十)案、開會事由三第(九)至(十二)案及開會事由四第(九)至(十二)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【11月3日及5日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席主席請速發部林部長請林部長然後請國家通信重播委員會黃祖密請黃文哲祖密委員早安部長早祖密早這個最近今天已經開始要發這個1萬塊是那我看了一下 |
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我們最近有這個四個假的財政部網站曝光然後普發現金登記前先請認清楚網址那我們也做了宣導政府也做了宣導所以我們叫gov.tw才是真的網站對不對這個是我們一直在宣導好 來下一頁 |
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那部長跟祖密你們覺得這三個王子哪一個是真的哪一個哪些是假哪一個是真哪一個是假第三個絕對是假的你一個一個來我等一下會問祖密祖密先回答好了第一個第一個應該第一個應該是真的啦第二個的話應該是假的第三個的話 |
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第三個可能很難判斷 我們現場還有內政部有來嘛那個視察你覺得哪一個是真的哪一個是假的E3啦 你認為E3是真的那E3還是E2只有E是真的 那能源署呢 |
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可能都是假的好現場有覺得除了一是真的之外第二個覺得是真的人請舉手第二個政府宣傳嘛gov.tw是真的網站第二個認為有沒有是真的第二個認為是假的舉手好所以有人遲疑啦沒有舉手嘛有人真的也沒舉手假的也沒舉手換一隻不大知道是真假 |
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部長你覺得哪一個是真的只有第一個是真的其他都是假的部長你不能錯其他很錯這樣我壓力很大對你絕對不能錯你錯了這個點就丟大但是我現在用目視判斷第一個是真的第三個是假的第二個我會回去確認因為我要確認他的那個他的那個字型會不會gov其實那是個0或者怎麼樣就有一些trick有一些 |
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那個技巧他就是Gov我現在就可以告訴你他就是Gov應該就是前面Gov是第二個已經是字幕錄了這邊那個字幕錄是t.ly對你覺得呢這個Domain是真的那前面那個加的那個看起來有點可疑所以你第二個你覺得是假的 |
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還是不能夠確定我們做事情的方法我們那個就是科學家的方法就是在去確定我跟大家公布答案只有第一個是真的另外兩個都是假的另外兩個是假的這個是之前之前不是發現金就之前這個監理站用監理站專門在騙大家點進去繳費的 |
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的釣魚網站那第二個為什麼是假的因為他那個gov.tw不是在前面所以他在斜線後面這是假的這是你們過去啦這是我拿過去的東西拿來問你們好啦部長你看齁連你對第二個你都要回去查證一下現場我們很多政府的同仁們也都不是太確定部長你覺得一個一般社會大眾是 |
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他怎麼知道他難道還要跟你一樣回去書法部查一下然後哪一個第二個是不是真或者是假是委員說的完全沒錯所以我們現在的宣傳是說不是說.gov普發現金的時候不是說只認gov.tl我們是講說所有的關於登記還有訊息還有那個發放的作業什麼都只在1100 |
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.gov.tw就在這上面才會是真的然後另外這是我們的白名單策略另外一個黑名單策略就是我們在網站上我們就事先預防我們就把那個所有看起來很像譬如說把1000他寫的是1000的這些網站我們就事先做封阻所以我們就是努力把各種那個詐騙的管道就把它封阻住好 是 |
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我其實不是要請你上來解釋這個啦因為這個我們已經我講過嘛我對抒發部從我站在這個位置這個會期開始我就只有一個問題問你就打雜其他我沒有任何問過抒發部任何問題那為什麼這樣我一直在講這個事情一萬塊就要發了可是我們這個宣導啊我不認為大家懂 |
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我的做法我告訴家裡長輩的做法是就是政府另外領一萬塊的那兩個方法是譬如說你就直接零貴嘛是不然就ATM嘛是對不對是那這個實在是太困難啦是好主委你看我就講嘛我們大家都是政府我們都在宣導讓民眾知道哪一個是假的網站是但是我忽然告訴你就像你今天你此刻我發簡訊給你是 |
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我們的各位這個行政院的各位同仁發簡訊給大家各部會的同仁你能立刻知道要不要點你也很懷疑所以更不要講一般民眾所以部長認重道遠謝謝要搞這個普發現金為什麼這個 |
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四個假網站曝光不知道還有四十個還四百個沒有曝光嘛是沒錯可能此刻我在質詢的當下就有人正在受騙嘛是所以這個一萬塊啊要做這件事情就是說你要透過網站去做這個事情是速發部應該要有一個更審慎的規劃是你現在才在宣導是你宣導的狀況你看等於我們自己的 |
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政府的同仁都不是太確定都不是太確定所以呢你們一定要想個辦法啦不然你要做這個你就不要做你要有拿出速發部的做法好不好這就已經開始了我現在講已經有點慢了啦但是你看我隨便考一下這個你要宣導到大家去都去知道這個難度實在很高 |
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抱歉啦那個上場就像棒球員突然上場會緊張一下沒關係啦我沒有怪你你也沒有答錯啦你也不算答錯你只是說謹慎一下啦但是呢你看很明顯的這個謹慎只有你有辦法你是速發部長嘛一般民眾是沒有辦法有你謹沒有辦法這樣謹慎還有回去有速發部可以來問來去查沒有辦法OK那個祖密市區啊這個市場上都在大家都在煩惱因為市區的用戶現在還有一千多萬戶有啦 |
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這一千多萬戶不斷在擔心因為現在可能這個電信公司不斷在促銷5G所以大家接到這種叫大家去轉5G的電話就會感到有壓力或緊張4G是不是會停了會停止服務 |
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有沒有這個事情沒有沒有這個事情4G跟5G因為這個在技術上面上是標的雖然是5G的頻譜可是4G的服務其實還在持續這個應該是4G跟5G他講的是技術我應該問的是那個資費的方案沒有我只是問你說4G的服務不可以停止 |
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這個一千多萬怎麼可能因為你的電信公司在促銷或者在推廣的時候他的那個語氣會讓民眾覺得好像一副4G快不行了要大家都去改5G這個就是市場為什麼會有這個題目會跑出來消費者為什麼會擔心可能你要跟電信公司稍微再溝通一下啦不要造成這個誤解我覺得 |
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所以本席今天在這裡公開問你就是要從NCC的嘴巴告訴所有的消費者沒有這件事情喜歡5G的人就去辦5G因為資費那麼高嘛我們一般市井小民學生這些年輕朋友如果你的經濟能力有壓力的你辦4G絕對沒有問題可以繼續用那對於特殊需求的這些資費方案目前都還在持續當中對對對所以你這個要讓大家清楚喜歡5G的人可以說喜歡4G他還是有保障住啦然後呢這個 |
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接下來這個纜線啊那個部長這個纜線現在目前有三條正在修復當中對不對就是這個EAC1 TDM2跟TSE1對不對三條纜線在修復中是委員您現在應該是本部網站網易上的資料對對對對那這三條纜線在修復中目前沒有修如果還沒修復完成之前對誰的衝擊最大 |
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報委員目前為止台馬二號部分完全不用擔心因為台馬三號可以完全的替代掉所以完全不用擔心那至於EAC-1跟TS-1的話TS-1剛剛已經跟委員報告過那只是中間一根星段而已因為它大概十二星到六星也完全沒受影響那EAC-1的部分也有替代的路由所以大概目前為止影響不大以上報告 |
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好 那既然這樣我實在有一點搞混就是看起來好像都沒什麼影響那這三條到底要做什麼 |
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那不修會怎麼樣就是說我們把它修好了什麼就會變怎麼樣不修看起來我聽你們回答好像三條不修好像也不會怎樣這個基本上都是備援就像我們那個打棒球有一些板墊球員然後有人受傷了就換一個上去所以其實簡單講不修我們的備援就有問題 |
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是不是這樣但現行對我們消費者使用上面現行這此刻的狀態沒有任何太大的影響但備援很重要備援很重要那最後一個問題那什麼時候你們預計什麼時候可以修復除了第一條這個東東亞交會這個是114年11月28嘛你們預計修復日期嘛對不對是那其他兩條你寫評估中是怎麼樣是 |
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報告委員因為所有的海嵐在維修的時候都需要靠海嵐的國外的海嵐船團那這需要他們的評估因為國際上不是只有我們沒關係你只要大約告訴我譬如說一年內可不可以修復我只能跟委員報告說目前為止我看到的資料海嵐曾經在半年之內有維修的最長大概到半年之內會維修完成好這是最最最最長的最長對最長最長所以應該再怎麼樣也不可能拖到一兩年以上 |
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當然有時候有時候海象的關係啊那就是禁訴啦備援對國安也很重要啦好謝謝謝謝委員 |