| IVOD_ID |
165028 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165028 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T10:10:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T10:22:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2990112a90cb4a2f1e93813deec41dbca462d9096eb7c9b671b9d0562b452a15f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:45 - 10:22:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：審查「使用牌照稅法」29案：（僅詢答）
一、行政院函請審議、本院委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員陳超明等18人、委員羅明才等20人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等27人、委員許宇甄等22人、委員邱若華等17人、委員林俊憲等26人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員李彥秀等16人、委員蘇清泉等18人、委員徐欣瑩等24人、委員郭昱晴等19人、委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員郭國文等18人、委員吳沛憶等17人、委員葛如鈞等16人、委員沈發惠等17人、委員林思銘等22人、委員賴士葆等25人、委員黃健豪等20人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案」等24案。【後2案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員廖先翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員牛煦庭等17人、委員鍾佳濱等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案」等2案。【後1案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
五、本院委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
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財稅局專門委員台南市的莊委員好李文文 |
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部長 首先本席要肯定這一次使用牌照稅的那個第五條修正草案就肯定 可是這樣的一個修法當然我們目的是要讓電動車就是可以把它那個整個運具把它電動化那甚至我們也支持就是說2050近年排碳的一個國家的一個目的那事實上就是說 |
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全國的地方政府已經減少90億的地方稅收了這減少了90億的地方稅收然後我們來支持就是說在延長5年在延長5年的這一個法的一個修正那首先我想我先請教一下那個台南市政府那個財稅局那個李專委 |
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因為你們的支持支持中央的一個這樣的政策所以你每一年台南市少收了多少錢我們今年的話少了6億14年那整個今年少了2億那整個政策下來是少了6億不好意思今年少2億然後 |
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一年少兩億對來那個專委你看一下那個我的那個投影片裡頭這個是你們台南市政府的一個稅務局稅務局的一個公文是那你們講了就是在這個說明裡頭就是說 |
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稅收的損失累計將達二十億九千萬那是說未來五年未來的五年嘛對所以你一年少收了兩億嘛是好 謝謝來 那個李專委你請回部長是這個我們你知道一台那個油車大概多少錢起跳用牌照稅啊 |
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一台油車賣了多少錢基本上還是要看它是哪一種車款或者是就大概1500cc的大概要百萬吧那這個電動車大概就是150萬以上的電動車 |
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那150萬以上的電動車跟500萬的電動車我們有沒有分級去扣他的這個那個牌照稅在電動車沒有應該是沒有所以免就是就沒有分級了就是我們是一致性的嘛一致性的那好今天要跟部長探討的就是說這個有錢的人不用繳稅一般的人要繳稅 |
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這個顯然好像不是非常的合理部長每一年我們花了這麼多的錢地方政府就是在這5年我們可能會少收掉我們少收掉那個300 |
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376億的稅收流失掉了在全國的地方政府然後我們拿來補貼這一些就是配合我們的政策就是說要減能減碳然後這一些電動車那這樣子的一個方式那你有沒有算到就是說他每一年二氧化碳的那個排放量減少了多少 |
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這個部分應該環境部或經濟部都有計算對 它的統計裡面一下請組長補充一下是 我們覺得根據經濟部所做的碎屍支柱評估它可以未來5年可以減少310萬公餅的燃油消耗量還有739萬公噸的二氧化碳排放量好的 第二頁了 第二頁了好 |
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這個好像是邏輯性其實我聽了不太懂那事實上就是說差了多少你二氧化碳的排放量你少了多少這個數據應該是要很明確的讓我們知道那這樣子我們持續一直5年5年的來修法這個才有意思因為所有現在在全國的這個地方政府的財稅局都在這個地方他們少收了 |
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因為要負擔了配合中央的一個政策少收了很多的一個地方稅這地方稅是壓榨到他們的長照他們的教育還有他們的零零總總就像你看台南這五年少收了20.6億那有沒有一個就是比較公平的一個方式呢 |
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是不是應該要有一個分級式的一個減稅的制度不然你只要是買電動車不管是1000cc 1500cc 3000cc減的稅都是一樣的嘛這樣有道理嗎我想聽聽你們的一個建議啊 |
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是謝謝委員的提示我想這個部分您認為說應該要有一個更公平的也就是說你買的更高價的其實你有享受更高的一個減稅的利益那這個部分委員的建議也許我們可以再遵循經濟部以及環境部這方面的一個意見那看要怎麼樣的方式更為合理你看你這個稅務是倒退你買電動車你可以享受免貨物稅免牌照稅免燃料稅的多重優惠 |
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那這樣子的一個政策的設計就是在一個框框環保我們要追求環保這個也都有道理可是如果長期一直這樣下去的話我覺得 |
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不是非常的合理所以我們的租稅優惠都定有一定的期限就是期限到什麼時間然後在這個期限屆滿前可以做一些檢討跟調整你如果每年每年都有一個當然你每年都會有一個檢討嘛每五年就是一個檢討每五年就是一個檢討那你講他就是說電動車的成長率每年是30他的成長率是30%在成長 |
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那现在到底电动车它所占的市场的那个%有多少这个你们也要跟我们报告啊我们在那个税市支出评估里面都提出来那我们大概统计的结果到今年的9月电动车大概有12万0834辆而电动机车大概有79万4000辆你这个电动车占的比例这个成长的比例到底占了几%对成长占了几% |
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我看你寫說是每年30%嘛那你一年30%那是不是到了第二年的時候會不會有60%也就是說他成長的比例那我為什麼要同意讓你延到2030年啊這沒有道理啊你保障有錢人啊 |
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委員就是說成長的比例因為你知道所有的人大概都是買一百萬的電油車你要跳到電動車的話就是要一百五十萬起跳剛才我在跟你陳述的溝通的就是這樣的一個道理委員的理念是 |
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你了解我的理念是不是有一個比較好的一個建議方式第一個電動車我們不管在貨物稅也好在牌照稅以後給予免徵這個確實達到的一個效果就希望能夠趕快增加的就是說汰換這個 |
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燃油車然後改用電動車的一個目的同時我們也希望國內的電動車的產業能夠持續的發展鼓勵消費者買那我們的產業也能夠發展起來我覺得這也是一個很同樣的一個目的在裡面其實政策修正我是建議就是說你要延長授權給地方政府免徵這個電動車量的使用牌照稅 |
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是授權的因為他是地方稅所以地方政府得他是地方稅可是他撿不到這些錢他沒有受益到 |
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我的意思是说地方政府没有收到这些钱那没关系部长我们可以那个会后我们再一起探讨一下其实在这里还是建议你就是说你必须要你刚才就有特别讲到跨部会的一个合作我们是不是可以那个设置一个电动车免税的一个补助基金 |
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那這個基金其實我們可以用來調整免稅的範圍跟對象還有你的逐步的退場機制其實你現在推動的非常好你的退場機制要出來啊是了解我想委員這個建議很好我們再跟相關的部會然後再來討論也跟委員請教 |
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那再請教妳 妳有沒有建立一個成效的評估的制度這個部分都會有的 因為我們在提出稅法的優惠的時候都要目的事業主管機關 他的稅是支出評估講一個比較具體的好不好 每一年也會來 署長妳來做補充一下 就是說成效評估 |
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594.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
608.661 |
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報告委員我們現在納保法的規定都是要做稅制支出評估那像這個法案的稅制支出評估我們也會送立法院這邊參考另外我們會要求他必須要去定期揭露他整個實施的成效 |
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610.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
636.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所以我還是要再回到一句話再請問你們就是說部長跟署長你們對於這個稅制你們是滿意的雖然它減碳的成效基本上我們看起來我們看起來就是說其實我一直找不到就是一個比較具體的一個數目所有的官方的資料裡頭找不到不知道是環保局那個環境部他們 |
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637.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
659.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
用的方式其實是我們不了解的還是剛才署長你回答的這個我也聽不懂你要告訴我說啊這個有幾千輛的這個什麼電動車這個都太籠統了到底你的排放量你到底減少了多少我們希望有一個正確的一個數字給我們做參考好不好我們再提送報告給委員同時 |
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660.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
674.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
也看在哪應該要揭露這樣的一個成果讓全國民眾了解是嘛這樣子我們支持你的這個修法那個正當性會更強好不好謝謝委員提示謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝賴慧雲委員的質詢接下來我們請李彥秀委員質詢 |