| IVOD_ID |
164991 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164991 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-04T16:33:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-04T16:48:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92d7873cb56ba25fbeb9d94f04829a30278cc3fca10ad78dfefe51f9ff3b2e0819e861c81d6c028e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張智倫 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:33:03 - 16:48:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案；本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案等5案。（10月31日）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。三、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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好 謝謝今天大會主席我們副院長辛苦了有請我們卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長備詢還有再請我們經濟部龔明星龔部長 |
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張委員好謝謝卓院長辛苦了這個一天天的集群到下午非常辛苦在這邊還是給你勉勵謝謝你為這個國家努力打拼那希望說早上跟這個院長請教的是有關相關內政的問題那中央地方要一條心那下午請教的是經濟能源的一些問題那也希望說 |
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院長跟部長這邊我們台灣在發展綠能的情況下雖然說經濟非常重要那也要兼具我們民生環保等等問題所以第一個問題就是根據最近媒體報導經濟部水利署自2022年起連續三年發函給台北翡翠水庫管理局 |
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評估在翡翠水庫設置光電板的可能性那我要請教院長跟部長的現在台南的烏山頭水庫因為設置光電板引發有可能水污染的疑慮爭議到現在沒有解決可是經濟部 |
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還是水利署不死心連續三年的去寒來敲門是不是有要強壓海北市政府把翡翠水庫當成光電績效的提款機大家知道雙北地區是有600萬的市民的飲水安全想要請教院長跟部長你們現在 |
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沒有強求那只是通案的發函各地方看看他們有沒有相關的設施如果願意的話我們是非常歡迎但是沒有強求部長什麼叫做發函看看因為我們現在其實我們的人民的要求非常簡單所有公務機關上的一些盤點是不是有可能可以適合來設置光電板的部分如果沒有適合當然就是沒有適合 |
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好 我簡單一點跟院長跟部長拜託因為雙北地區有600萬的民眾那我現在是不是因為最近很多台北市議會有請教蔣萬恩市長蔣萬恩市長是表態說絕對不准在民生的水庫來建置設置光電板那現在部長跟院長你們是不是可以做同樣的允諾 |
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這個它SOP的流程本來就是需要地方政府同意才可以設所以你們能不能允諾說未來民生水庫就不太需要再做評估了因為我剛剛跟大家報告很多委員在這邊質詢也講其實我們已經把範圍說得非常少就是民生用的水庫因為發電量也不多嘛基本上它是安全的但是如果說地方政府有其他的考量事實上我們也尊重 |
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我覺得安全是第一當然是非常重要可是民意也非常重要而且民眾的心裡的那個想法也非常重要院長 部長一直是 這個有一個邏輯水庫本身的這個管理機關它如果自己要設都要經過經濟部水利署核准 |
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這個邏輯是這樣所以如果有發行過去是說你水庫要不要設你水庫自己的自主的看法是如何他如果沒有這個意願我想這個程序就不會往下走這應該是很嚴謹的一套標準這不會錯亂掉的為什麼我會問這個問題 |
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我不太清楚當時台南烏山頭水庫這個類似是民生用水的部分為什麼會設光電板可是在翡翠水庫有這樣的新聞出來所以我是不是希望說院長跟部長還是可以承諾我說不要發生像台南烏山 |
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投水庫這樣子因為他在設立光電板的時候其實民眾都不知道我是不知道整個流程是發生什麼樣的事情部長說明過了這是一個普遍性的盤點盤點的過程有願意提出有設意願的還要進一步去做各種的評估不是這樣就能夠做了如果連意願都沒有我想往下走的程序就不會再持續的進行下去 |
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可是為什麼要連續評估三年所以我還是要跟院長部長講這個人員政策不應該用全民的飲用水來承擔那台電現在其實雖然有巨額虧損可是我覺得不應該把他的想法動到人民的救命水頭上所以是不是可以請院長跟部長在這邊可以說承諾一下說不要讓翡翠水庫成為下一個烏山頭水庫來設光電板 |
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還是地方政府的意願為主地方政府就不會有同意不然其實做很簡單的一個民意調查不會有同意為什麼院長跟部長你到現在不敢承諾因為地方政府有時候他的想法也會改變比如說以前柯P市長跟蔣安市長想法就不一樣柯P市長就下游他就我們就設光電板不是我現在不是在問 |
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哪一個市長的想法哪個市長不一樣的想法你的意思是說現在就是因為人民有發現這樣問題因為人民沒有有知的權利所以不是說哪一任市長是我在這邊用很卑微的方式請求是不是可以民生民用的民生的水庫 |
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我們還是尊重地方政府那你們的態度是什麼尊重地方政府地方政府不想設我們就尊重他那地方政府想設未來民生用水庫都會設嗎那還是要檢核還是要環境檢核 |
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這個部長院長 這個我們不能接受啦這個雙北有六百萬的人民 你們就是說地方政府不想做 就不會往下走中央地方要一條心啦 現在看起來我們沒有 我剛委員講過水庫的管理機關自己想設他還有一套程序要走 不是他想設就想設那現在是中央因為我沒辦法去追究說烏山頭水庫或是你剛剛講的翡翠水庫下游為什麼已經設了光電板 |
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就現在而言應該你們要有一個很明確的態度說我們民生水庫到底能不能設光電板你們中央要有一個很明確的想法這樣才不會說這個經濟部水利署連續三年一直去跟我們台北市政府敲門如果哪一天大家沒有注意一下就過了那大家民生用水怎麼辦呢這個是尊重地方政府的決定地方政府如果想設還要經過經濟部水利署很嚴謹的各種的 |
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程序才能夠去設 不是說他想設就設那如果他不想設 就不會往下走答案就是如此我還是希望說好不好 中央 因為我們是要拜託院長跟部長好好來把關 隔岁水庫絕對不可以在安全或者是民眾有疑慮之下來去設光電板 這點特別要拜託第二個我來請教一下 有關於一樣是綠能的問題 |
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其實綠能的投資跟綠能整體的政策一直是很多委員跟人民所覺得很意外的一個地方現在連監察院在今年的10月16其實有公布太陽能光電板的相關的設置的疑義裡面也提到很多的問題我覺得非常值得參考尤其是外資當時其實我也在這邊公開請教過院長 |
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外資是很聰明的他會尋找投資相關友善的地區那如果外資出走會是反映了我國的綠能投資環境非常惡化那其實當時有一個這個新聞也有講這個我們外商有五大我們的外商那名字還沒有寫出來有五大外商其實在新聞媒體上都已經公開宣示說他要撤出台灣的投資 |
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我覺得這是一個相當嚴重的問題因為其實在我們的監察院他都有特別提到他說外資對我國基礎設施的投資是台灣最有實力跟最有 |
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最好的經濟外交唯有透過實質的經濟合作才能換取國際支持的安全跟保障所以我要想要請教部長的是你看到現在這樣的外資全部而且他們都是跟這個離岸風電相當有關的企業全部要撤資沒有報告委員如果您看今天一到八月份或九月份外資來台的最大的部分還是離岸風電 |
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歐洲的廠商來台灣而且比去年的成長率是成長了百分之二十到三十所以新聞裡面講的五大外資企業要撤資然後經濟部還說經濟部會全力來協助台灣的一些企業來接手這個新聞是假新聞嗎某些外資當然有他的全球性事業上的布局跟考量 |
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他做完了這個工程以後他離開台灣這個我們尊重但是看到實際上有沒有五大外資當時有跟你們尋求說看到實際上的數字是更多的外資來到了台灣這是實質上的數字那我沒有 這個部長你知道我按A你答B我在問的說是過去台灣在招商臨岸風電的五大外商公司他們在接受了這樣的標案投資進來以後是不是有要撤資的情況 |
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他們要撤資的情況是會造成剛剛我們監察院講的就是剛剛講的那些問題比如像現在最大的這個開發商基本上就是沃旭啊沃旭也在當時的新聞稿裡面啊他沒有要離開啊他會持續在台灣經營啊甚至於他還很期待3.3標案趕快釋出來他要投啊所以我再請教一次那個新聞上講的五大外資要撤離 |
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經濟部當時的新聞稿是回應說他有兩家國內業者會積極來爭取我要check一下那個新聞所以沒有這樣的問題嗎至少我知道您剛才提到的沃旭我了解他是會持續在進行CIP也是一樣他會持續在台灣經營他們面對面跟我講的他們願意而且很積極的 |
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好 這個我看到的新聞的內容就是不太一樣的 好 OK那我接下來再請教那河山 因為大家當然我們也很好奇的是這個台灣未來十年的用電的整個環境那就經濟部你們內部的整個討論跟評估現在未來每年我們的能源的成長大概是每年大概成長百分之多少 |
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現在你說用電量是不是用電量大概1.7左右吧用電量只有成長1.7%每年平均成長1.7%現在估算是這樣可是很多專家學者也在這邊質疑說發展AI需要龐大的算力跟穩定的能源 |
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這個部分請問部長你們有把未來AI算力的部分至少在2032年我們都把這些可能要發展AI算力的部分因為你開始宣告說你要發展製造這個可能也要有一段時間我們就會把這個東西都算進來算進來這個需求我們會供應他們相關的電力上的一些設施 |
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好 為什麼我要問這個問題就是說很多的專家學者有在請教就是說就是因為未來我們整個台灣要導入AI等等的這樣的一個問題那未來我們台灣的用電量會不會不足那剛剛部長特別有回應說你們認為只有1.7%的成長那這個是很多專家學者所質疑的所以最近又在討論這個河山廠 |
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現在的整個的評估到台灣未來會不會再使用核能那現在我要請教這個部長跟院長的是現在核三廠的整個整體的評估的狀況是不是已經有提供了一個核三廠的評估報告送到我們的經濟部來去做審查就是按照程序來走的確台電是有送到這個現況的評估報告過來 |
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如果我們覺得OK的話我們就會簽核然後就會啟動程序所以可不可以再講明確一點所以核三現在進度是怎麼樣兩個必要三個原則那兩個必要已經完成了就是核安會已經把他的法跟辦法都已經公告而且也公告了我們就按照他公告的程序來辦理 |
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因為就本席得知現在河山廠的這個評估現況評估報告現在在台電裡面是屬於密件的情況是嗎對 送到我們部裡來那是屬於密件的情況下未來你們會拿什麼樣的報告出來給立法院或給大眾去了解基本上就是說 |
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是不是適合啟動這件事情因為當時本席為什麼要提出這個點因為核安會在報告裡指出會堅守賴總統的三大原則包含落實公開資訊強化公眾參與可是因為評估報告居然是目前來講是密件的狀態那我想要請教說那如何未來落實公開資訊如何讓民眾可以有了解的機會他重要的是說這個評估以後是不是適合啟動 |
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我們如果簽合或簽出來以後也會對外說明說適不適合啟動如果適合啟動就按照程序來走如果不適合啟動我們也會說明原因很快就會有結果大概什麼時候會有結果盡快有沒有三個月之內還是一個月之內不用了一個月之內就會有河山未來是否可以重啟的評估報告嗎 |
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會把這樣的資訊PO出來大概給立法院所以一個月之內核三是否可以重啟評估報告會花多少錢 核安的問題還有核廢料的問題全部都會明確的讓人民知道不會那麼細 只是說適不適合啟動這件事情那答案就是是或不是最主要是這個答案 |
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那這樣怎麼落實到民眾剛剛賴總統講的要讓民眾有這個落實資訊公開的一個的有落實到嗎因為報告委員你開始做啟動或評估的時候要換什麼設備或是怎麼樣這個要有一個老化性的一些測試要不要換那個才會牽涉到經費上的多寡但是我們現在沒有辦法說評估要不要換這個東西是要知道去測以後才知道要不要換 |
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所以一個月之後 人民對於我們台灣用電安全有疑慮的民眾或是立法委員只能得到一個消息 就是說核電 核三可以重啟 不能重啟就一個這麼單純的問題那啟動以後 它當然後續會有自我檢視自我安全檢查的因為裡面的內容也都是密件所以我們也無從得知跟委員報告 現在是核安會提出一個審查的辦法 |
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這個辦法現在已經時間到了所以台電先就這個辦法來提出一個計畫說他現在要啟動將來還有一大串的一個程序是他的自主安全檢查他必須要還有謝謝張委員 |