| IVOD_ID |
164988 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164988 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-04T15:45:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-04T16:01:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92d7873cb56ba25f833f4a4a803b2896278cc3fca10ad78dfefe51f9ff3b2e0851e308782cc5e3445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:45:25 - 16:01:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案；本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案等5案。（10月31日）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。三、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝我們今天大會主席江戶院長是不是請卓院長還有工部長還有農業部的陳部長請卓院長 工部長 陳部長備詢 |
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林委員好我想台肥民營化多年但是因為這個農業部是大股東再加上董事會政府官派代表占多數時常被要求要配合政府的政策比如說要台肥發揮企業社會的責任 |
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吸收原物料上漲的成本以維持肥料售價不要調漲根據資料農業部從台肥獲取的股利112年5億8971萬113年6億1330萬114年4億9536萬 |
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那我請問農業部114年從台肥貨的鼓勵減少了這個1億 |
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1794萬相較於113年的鼓勵減少了19%啦是否與配合政府相關政策有關還是有其他的因素來影響我跟委員報告就是台北為了配合我們的肥料政策當年在COVID-19的時候國外的原物料上漲的時候它還是原來的價格 |
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那到了113 114年的時候他仍然維持這樣的一個肥料價格以加惠我們的農民所以換句話說他的利率就變少了一點所以這個部分是台肥因為配合國家的政策而減少這個盈餘的收入 |
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雖然台肥已經民營化但是台肥有龐大的土地開發利益或是金人民眾擔心有利益輸送的問題廣大的股民也關心台肥的股價以及未來的獲利一般民眾關心政府投資台肥利益是否全民共享 |
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我跟委員報告台肥是一個上市的公司上市的公司當然會以股東的權益為重但是台肥又必須肩負的支持我們的農業友善我們大地的核心精神所以在這兩者之間會取得一個適當的平衡它的股價的EPS大概每年都是2點多 |
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因為本席要提醒農業部既然能主導台肥的人事提名派出的董事要做台肥公司的治理避免發生圖利或內線交易等等這些問題 |
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台回李孫龍前董事長原來的任期是到2027年的6月25日然而上週五10月31日發布台回重大的訊息就是本來將由吳英齡來接棒那外界就好奇台回前董事長李孫龍突然下台的主要原因何在 |
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為什麼主要他一下子說這個原來他是要到2027年的6月25號那為什麼突然間他就下來人事的調整異動當然有他特殊的原因那這個原因我們現在在過程當中有等到這個能夠跟大家來報告的時候自然會報告我們認為未來台肥的經營的方針應該有三個順序第一個照顧全體的農民 |
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第二個維持公司的利益第三個在土地資產管理過程當中要避免不當的被外界聯想或是內部的管控要嚴謹必須要有這樣的方式才能夠符合 |
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他整個經營的宗旨因為外界當然在質疑本來是要發布就是由中大信息那時候是由吳英齡來接棒那最後變成張昌郎就是總經理來做為新任的董事長所以說很多人就認為說原來2027年6月25日才到期的這個李孫龍前董事長 |
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突然間所以說講實在話外界的觀感實在是不好那是否是因為台肥獲利衰退股價從64元跌到48元有關還是有其他的原因我想請農業部要說明撤換台肥李孫龍前董事長的主要原因讓社會大眾大家了解對不對不是隨便亦以待過 |
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你最起碼要有什麼原因除了今天本來要吳英齡那因為整個外界社會各界大家都針對這個問題不能接受再撻伐然後你們趕快要總經理上來來頂替目前的整個狀況就是如此 |
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對不對那個部長你有什麼看法來我跟委員報告就是先前的董事長他其實有一個階段性的任務他完成了那我們針對台北本身就成如剛才院長所提示的我們針對員工的內部的一個一個管理制度跟福利政策 |
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然後對農民的一個肥料的一個品質提升的一個政策然後還有一些對土地的利用的一個政策我們希望說透過專業經理人就是現在的張昌南原來是總經理現在變董事長他是一個專業經理人所以我們希望說能夠朝向更有制度化的一個因為畢竟他是一個上市上櫃公司 |
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對 那你認為 以您的觀點來看你認為這個張昌郎未來他整個營運操作各方面會比現在的就是卸任的李孫龍全董事長未來更強更棒嗎 |
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我想每一任的董事長都有他階段性的任務那在這個階段新的一個階段其實我們非常重視的是一個肥料本業特別是肥料品質的一個提升那加重在一些我們現在所重視的反效性肥料的一個改的研發所以這個部分未來是一個重點那也希望說透過這個能夠提高整個公司的一個獲利狀況 |
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那個 院長因為專業經理人的好壞影響到整個公司的發展依據台回董事會成員及重要管理階層之接班規劃民營化的台回董事會整體應具備 |
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這個下面的人力如下第一個 營運判斷能力第二個 會計及財務分析的能力第三個 就是經營管理的人力第四個 危機處理的人力第五 產業知識的人力包括國際 第六個就是國際市場觀 |
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第七個就是領導能力以及最後的決策能力請農業部說明選擇吳英齡女士來擔任台北董事具備上述哪些能力你要她做董事你也最起碼給社會大眾能夠 |
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讓大家瞭解以減少外界的質疑的浪聲那農業部未來希望台股和亞新任的董事長交出怎麼樣的成績有沒有具體數字跟目標比如說鼓勵重回2.5元以上來 |
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我跟委員報告就是台北裡面的特別是公共董事那本身的不同的公共董事都有他的一個專長那特別您剛才所提到的吳英齡這個女士這個部分那基本上她長期了解到台灣農業的一個發展那我們希望說借重她這個對台灣農業特別是在 |
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當時他在推動在北龍的一個員工的一個福利制度改革他可以提供很多的建言那我們希望說不同的不同的董事他都有不同的建言的方式能夠讓公司的治理會更好這第一個部分第二個部分我剛才說了整個台北本身的EPS大概就是 |
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我們因為股價的震盪是跟外界是有關係的但是它本身的獲利大概EPS大概是2.1到2.6之間是在做這樣的一個浮動那還在相當的一個水準那我們當然也希望說透過更好的營運特別是對於不管是對於土地或者對於農產品本身的肥料的品牌的建構款式性肥料的開發那這樣的話能夠讓它的獲利更穩定 |
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那個院長我是希望不管各部會或者是這個國營單位你要用人為財對不對今天只要是人才我認為重用他 |
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整個外界會給你們寡慕相看但是你們要是用人用那種仇庸式的講實在話人家給你們打問號除了部長所說的其實委員剛剛所唸的那幾項當中我覺得吳玉玲董事她至少在產業知識跟經營管理上面是未來要借重她在這方面過去經驗希望如此那個院長 |
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因為屏東縣10月15日確認這個禽流感病毒撲殺了差不多11萬隻的鵪鶉那我請問農業部到目前為止這個禽流感疫情是我還有沒有新增的案例 |
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我跟委員報告每一年的9月開始一直到隔年的4月是我們針對整個情侶館高峰的一個監控時間到目前為止從去年9月到現在是兩場那一場就是您講的安存那整個菩薩大概是13萬隻左右 |
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相對的比起前年20幾場到去年的也是差不多10幾場表示說我們國內對於這些勤業的養殖業者對於生物安全的防範越來越有相關的一個觀念所以他的染病的這些頻度越來越低 |
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因為中央政府義後強化經濟與社會韌性,及全民共享經濟成果的特別預算,在2012年及2014年度投入了10.5億的福島家庭業者, |
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加群業者來改善這些群社以及協助防疫以及提升生產的韌性然而實際狀況多數蛋農不願意升級改善他的群社據了解目前接受輔導的群社的占比前來差不多只有10%90%能是傳統的群長 |
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每年10月到隔年的3月秋冬時節為群流感好花的這些季節群流感影響整個國內雞蛋的生產本席不希望又上演缺蛋的問題農業部是否會加強來補助力道促使這些家群業者來升級群社 |
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我跟委員報告升級勤設一直是農業部的一個政策也持續去輔導那現在他們在做改建的過程特別是水蓮市的一個勤設他對於這種防範那個勤留館是有非常好的一個封閉的作用但是現在因為在改建的時候因為林碧設施他重新改建的時候 |
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周圍的這些鄰居擔心它越做越大所以它跟周圍的這些鄰居會有一個比較好的溝通農業部也積極的在協助他們做地方上的一個溝通第二個部分就是潛流管不只是前設的升級你用其他的方式也可以防止潛流管特別是生物安全防範的這些作為如果做得好的時候一樣可以達到一個很好的成果特別是像今年 |
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我們預期說今年應該會有更少的比例會感染到禽流感好啦 希望如此啦多用一點心 卓院長還有龔部長我想有地方民生的議題想跟兩位來做探討台電準備在中和永和進行這個電塔遷移的地下化的工程 |
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那總院長您聽到了這邊會你會覺得很納悶因為電塔牽離跟地下化應該是好事因為要牽電塔跟地下化當然是好事那怎麼會有問題那個院長問題出在說台電拆了中和的電塔那在中和有辦說明會 |
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你拆的地方你去辦說明會其實要拆掉皆大歡喜大家都歡迎但是要在永和蓋新的電塔卻沒有辦說明會 |
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要蓋的地方沒有辦說明會要拆的地方有辦說明會台電只有在中和地方召開說明會以後跳過整個永和很多那些基層的民意導致地方很不滿結果遭周遭社區的反彈因為他們現在做電塔已經做到一個程度整個差不多粉泥土都做好了 |
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老百姓一看說這支電塔這麼大把前面幾支全部拆掉全部納在這裡所以說台電的承包商還對民眾民眾去反應還施暴打民眾 |
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那台電真的是有錯在先那本集是希望經濟部能夠端出台電在115年3月20號以前來評估板橋的青年線還有永和區堤外的電塔全面地下化來延伸第四電塔到第六電塔之間可行進的方案以及所需要的經費這是解決地方問題我們不是為反對來反對但是你拆掉的地方你去給他做說明會 |
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那你要做的地方那現在民眾都不知道當你做起來的時候他們當然會反彈啊公共工程要施工的之前跟地方保持溝通是必要的如果這個程序上有所疏漏現在已經做到一個程度所以說地方 |
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地方的要求是希望全部都倒入地下化我認為這是合理啦因為他已經有做一部分了差不多有做三分之二現在只剩三分之一那你要是說三分之一繼續做把它做好 解決地方問題好不好好 謝謝林委員 謝謝左院長下一位請陳冠廷委員質詢 |