| IVOD_ID |
164986 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164986 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-04T15:02:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-04T15:18:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92d7873cb56ba25f38becbf0b71f01f5278cc3fca10ad78dfefe51f9ff3b2e08f6611687e07821165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃仁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:02:12 - 15:18:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案；本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案等5案。（10月31日）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。三、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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我是簡單講一下 |
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就是你來回答我一下院長你是中華民國的行政院長對吧是好 部長你是中華民國的國防部長對吧是好所以以下大概我們來探討一下最近我們在陸軍的一些問題 |
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我們的國軍不管是山軍陸海空都是中華民國的空軍海軍陸軍那陸軍是中華民國的陸軍最近在584里聯兵三營也是中華民國的部隊的方號那請問一下院長部長我們在N |
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M1A2T曾經的備章上為什麼是臺灣的阿密不是阿烏西的阿密這個就是我現在要講的中華民國的入京就是入京不是臺灣的入京所以這個就是要詮釋一下 |
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院長你來做一個說明你剛剛兩個答案都出來了你是中華民國的院長你是中華民國的國防部長為什麼在陳軍的過程裡面的備章是台灣的阿密而不是ROC的阿密所以這個就是你要解釋給國人聽因為這個是不能改變的 |
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中華民國的陸軍空軍海軍就是中華民國的國軍我想你來說明一下這個我想跟委員報告我想你也看過我想任何我們陸軍的迷彩湖上面我們左胸就寫個中華民國陸軍所以這是沒有問題的那麼M1A2T的那個後面那個T |
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那個字就是台灣的意思也就是說它是專門為台灣打造的一個專屬的一個戰車的形式那這一個備章是一個紀念的備章所以它美國呢基於台灣關係法跟對台六項保證提供了我們這樣子的一個防衛性武器然後也專門為我們打造這樣子的一個 |
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號稱這個地表最強戰車的這個那我們為了紀念這一個呢所以在陳軍的備章上面他是一個紀念的備章所以他結合了這一個專屬的台灣的這個新式戰車的這個型號來齊勉國軍來瞭解國家跟國人的期許來堅定守護台灣的一個信念那我想我們堅定的為中華民國的生存發展跟臺盟金馬人民安全福澤戰我想這個信念是不會改變的 |
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因為我講這個大家都會產生一個存疑這個存疑就是我們就照陸軍的說法這支部隊只守護台灣拋棄了金門因為金門是福建省 |
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所以媒體說了 軍方人士提到 備章不只是軍事識別標示更是一份榮耀的象徵各位委員 我想沒有拋棄金馬這個問題的存在我們中華民國的陸軍就是陸軍如果以按照你的思維來講 就沒有金馬了 |
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是不是 就沒有金馬了嘛所以這樣的話會所以中華民國的入金就好了嘛為什麼一定要用台灣阿密那這樣的話你就把金門取革了所以這個就是一個人家不了解但是你的說明也許大家還是不諒解為什麼 |
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中華民國入侵就是入侵就那麼簡單它是包含了台澎金馬嘛不知道你們現在你們回應的媒體軍方人士那個T寫個Taiwan難道這個戰車就不會保衛台澎金馬的人民而戰嗎不是這個意思吧對嘛不管怎麼樣不能改變沒有改變這也是定下定論 |
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他的中華民國的陸軍我想這個會這個會有不同的一些思維讓人家會錯綜的一個一個錯覺所以按照這個 |
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所謂的不知道這個媒體這位回應媒體的軍方人士是誰但是一個國家的軍隊連自己國家的名稱都不要的話還叫什麼榮耀所以按照如果你們再回答憲法 |
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138條還有139條的內容是什麼內容是什麼就是全國陸海空襲抽出個人定義及黨派關係以外效忠國家愛護人民第139條規定任何黨派及個人不得以武裝力量為珍惜之功績都是在確立精對的國家化 |
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這段話這個憲法的精神是經過多少民主運動發展到現在才有軍隊國家化這個結果的所以我們要共同維護憲法的138條跟憲法的139條很明確嘛 |
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為什麼一定要加個台灣阿密,中華民國的阿密?國軍堅持軍隊國家化的立場不會改變,國軍也不會因為有一個紀念碑章,然後我們買了M1A2T,這個T後面代表台灣這個意思,就不會說我們會, |
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拋棄這個軍隊國家化的基本理念我們也不會說我們不為颱風金馬人民鬍子而戰我們一定都為颱風金馬人民鬍子而戰嘛那這是一個紀念性的備章有需要把它擴大解釋到說不管新進的武器進來他就是國軍 |
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在育富到哪一個陸軍空軍都是中華民國的國軍那我想意識形態會有注入到這個我沒有要搞意識形態那如果我是老百姓他們認為這就是意識形態了嘛對不對他們認為就是意識形態的一些象徵性的嘛所以這個就是我們不要去多創造名詞本來他就是我們 |
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武器的命名就是中華民國的陸軍就那麼簡單報告 剛剛部長也跟您說過在左胸都有中華民國陸軍的一個名牌在這裡就跟委員現在身上的衣服一樣你的右胸有個中國國民黨黨徽左邊有你的大名如果黨徽遮住並不代表你就不是中國國民黨剛剛我講了不要再多 |
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都創造一個名詞沒有創造這是橫平性的問題那整體性也就是那麼簡單所以我穿這個是因為代表國民黨對對對就是這樣子我們有中華民國陸軍那備章只是備章那我想這個名詞裡面就有涵蓋了一點點的這個意識形態沒有沒有這是紀念性的備章紀念性質大於沒有完全是紀念性質那就要跟國人好好的解釋 |
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為什麼會有這樣的一個多加了一個台灣的名詞因為它本來就很單純的在憲法裡面的138條跟憲法裡面的139條很清楚的它就是定格 |
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中華民國的陸海空M1A2那個T那個T難道就表示我們拿到M1A2T這個戰車布袋難道不是為中華民國剛剛已經解釋了我們就不要多加這樣的名詞造成國人對這個名詞上 |
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會是不是有它的含義跟意識形態嘛所以今天謝謝委員 我們今天說明之後我想國人會清楚這是一個紀念性的一章我希望國人會清楚如果今天不談這些的話老百姓怎麼了解嘛 對不對因為是不是多加了這樣一個名詞嘛 |
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所以今天我們這樣的一個對話我也希望國人了解沒有任何的意識形態它就是你們國軍定名出來的因為它具有代表紀念的意義所在 |
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這樣也許百姓就知道了 好不好那另外就是竊逼的問題我想請教一下院長 部長在國進竊逼的問題已經是一個場景非常嚴重的一個問題想請教一下目前國進主戰部隊的 |
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邊線筆到底是如何因為國防部常常用平均值這個玩數字的遊戲本身希望部長能夠回答詳細一點現在目前招兵的問題跟邊線筆到底出了什麼樣的問題待會我有一一的一些個人的看法來 部長你先回答一下我想我們在這裡只能回答整體的邊線筆 |
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現在整體的邊線比在政府支持跟各項政府推動下迄今的整體的邊線比是79.2%了已經較去年 較3月3月的整體邊線比是76.9%所以到現在為止應該提升了跟3月來比已經提升了2.3% |
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那這個表示我們相關的人性化管理也好或者四月七月八月分別調整這一個加急應該都是有幫助那我想個別的邊線筆並不適宜再做公開的調整因為這涉及到各部隊的問題所以我想我們只能回答整體的邊線筆我想本席有整理了一些資料在我們的整個的一個主戰部隊中的邊線筆第一個 |
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顯示國防圈圓問題的複雜性首先邊縣比實際的下滑根據資料2020 約88.57%到去年已經下降約為78.6% |
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下降為4%所以這個已經反映什麼主戰部隊的邊線比問題就是在於自願役人數的減少2021年還有約16萬過去到去年的6月已經降至到15萬此外 所備部隊的問題也不小由於少子化的問題我想我們整體的人力 |
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因為編制 我們編制有擴大所以我們的人力是有成長剛剛從平行紙裡面來做一個數據嘛但是我今天分析了調查了整個的一個數據剛剛我已經分析給你聽了嘛問 由於手指畫的問題未來可 |
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可不可以爭取其他的遇難人數可能到2030年就會少於7.5萬人這是未來這是我們一直推論所以我們的守備部隊 |
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嚴重的兵力的不足這個問題嚴重性從今年開始七月份監察院的報告可以看出來報告指出部隊進訓時缺人缺裝備人力不足會影響部隊信念的完整性及質量我們買了這麼多的美製的武器本身就以美金對於人員現有力 |
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的重視程度我們請院長和部長知道邊線筆的重要根據美國入侵條例220-1220-1就是單位狀態報告和部隊登記這是很重要的人員現有率和裝備及信念被並為列為部隊戰備的重要指標那美軍提供的人員現有參 |
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現有力的參考值為我們C1達到了90%到100%具備了完全執行任務的能力我們現有國金我們在C360%到79%僅能執行的部分的任務僅能執行部分的任務為什麼因為這個比例 |
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就很清楚的在作戰最低的標準中美軍更直接的指出在作戰的計畫中如果部隊現有力低於85%需要延後部署或任由其他單位支援如果低於80%即使裝備齊全也不視為即備作戰 |
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部署的資格所以這個就是我們要警示了院長我們現在也要替我們國軍要提振這個就是已經警示的數據了我知道委員是關心國軍整體的戰力這個我們同樣關心那未來我們必須要從減少人力的流失提高流營的意願 |
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| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
925.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
以及提升整個招募的成效各方面來加強提升國群整體戰力好 謝謝黃委員謝謝左院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
951.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
961.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
好 部長再請書面給黃委員好 沈伯陽委員之質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆 |