| IVOD_ID |
164985 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164985 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-04T14:31:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-04T15:01:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92d7873cb56ba25fb3a5675a8aa6ccf1278cc3fca10ad78dfefe51f9ff3b2e08f6611687e07821165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:31:28 - 15:01:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案；本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案等5案。（10月31日）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。三、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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在面對地緣政治的變化快速而且我們無法預先知道所以如何強化我國的國防成為我們一個不僅自我保護也是展現我們和平實力的一個象徵那麼全世界也應該在這個體驗之下各自負擔自己國家或區域上面的一些責任跟付出 |
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所以台灣身為國際組織的一份子我們認為我們應該盡到國際的這樣的責任對區域的和平我們強化自己那世界上現在已經有相當多足以我們可以學習的經驗跟合作的對象我們採取這樣的方式能夠在短時間內將台灣的國防安全能夠全速的提升所以總統提出台灣之盾我想世界上也 |
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博有先例也有成功的例子我們正可以在這個基礎上予以更多的經驗跟改進那麼希望這樣的做作用不是我們要去挑釁發動而是希望能夠遏止或是讓對方有所戒心他必須考慮不要付出代價要來維持區域的和平而不是付出代價來併吞台灣這兩個選擇之間我覺得我們應該是可以很清楚的表達國家的立場 |
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謝謝我也把一些歷史的背景給您做一個說明在20年前國防部就有一個整合三軍徵收系統的案子叫做博勝案後來改成訓安在這個大的指揮架構下其實各軍有它自己的系統啟動最早的是空軍它叫天網計劃 |
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然后变成墙网计划变成环网计划变成现在的环展计划那么海军呢从大层系统变成连层系统那么陆军就是从当年的博盛跟迅安他只有在军团级的分享战略性的战场状况但是只能收讯并不能下售现在陆军开始发展了所谓的这个 |
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锐子系统是希望从旅机以下向下直导一直可以到连级甚至排级都能够受训现在我们面临的挑战是这些系统原本发展过程中间它的合作对象像空军的合作对象经历了很多的变化不同的国外厂商 |
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所以说在这个国防部的指挥中心空军使用的符号跟海军使用的符号跟陆军使用的看到的符号这个是不同的那将来要发展这个所谓的 |
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臺灣之盾我們必須面對總統給我們一個很大的使命但是對國防及國防產業來講就是一個巨大的責任跟挑戰必須以中科院作為藉口的對面跟 |
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國際的國防先進廠商來談因為當年的規格不同 界面不同所以產生的符號不同雖然我們都可以看到相同的畫面但是不同的符號也不能做任務分配只是分享情資在這個情況下我們下面要做的是什麼呢各位看到我們希望看到的台灣周遭所有的大區域的戰略環境的圖片 |
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我们希望能够要做除了分享以外过去我们最早叫C4ISR就是Command Control Communication还有Computer介入了包括情资 监侦 搜索现在变成C5ISRT了这个5I的C第五个就是Cyber Security |
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另外那個TR就是從原先的徵收掌握狀況目標獲得到現在要分配目標這個距離的時間反應很短所以這個所謂的未來的台灣盾就等於說要把不同的美國的I2 I3 |
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國產的天弓二天弓三甚至強弓天弓四還有其他的中高低層的所有的武器包括飛機載台船上發射透過不同的天空的衛星的無人機的預警機的地面的機動站的固定站這些所有的情資要做整合最後呢掌握那個關鍵的時間有效精準的分配目標那 |
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這個是一個很重要的總統的指導既然已經很明確了下面我就要給部長做一個建議在我們的國防報告書裡面還在寫我們的作戰構想是去中心化這個是網路中心化但是是分散配置所以作戰構想裡面沒有去中心化你的指管如果去中心化就代表這個系統崩盤了 |
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那只是在作戰區的小部隊那叫去中心化因此它的準則叫飯是不相同的在這個系統裡面各位可以看到多軌追蹤 情資融合整合網路 複合的圖像 |
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这个网路就等于说把我们所用的美军的空军用的Link16海军用Link16跟Link11陆军是接收军团级可以接收但是地面部队没有但是透过我们国内发展跟中科院有部分是我们国内商规的通信软体导入在这次救灾中间也有发挥一部分的功能 |
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但是它那個機器的複合讓兩三個鐘頭了可能就當機了所以還有發展改進的空間 |
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所以這個所謂的台灣之盾這個盾裡面是最重要的是要靠AI因為AI是一個非常有用的工具但是AI不會提供你解套的方案那這個工具包括什麼呢所有你的數據鏈路的介面包括我們的資料鋪包括我們自己作戰構想寫出來的algorithm |
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送進去那AI提供選項建議這個部分是需要我們國軍要共同努力的當然這個期程現在還沒有定我想在國防預算在成長的過程中間所謂的韌性包括資安包括衛星通信包括海嵐這個保護鏈因為目前我們跟這個 |
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所謂的衛星的公司只有一個英國的OneWeb公司他的能力是受限的那我先把這個用下一張圖給你看這只是一個 |
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模擬的展示系統大家分享戰場即時的畫面但是各軍的符號不同並不能去管制它的火力只是顯示我們有這個能力把它整合起來透過雲端動態監視台雲端的機制低軌衛星限地監測戰傷評估遙測攻擊無人載台戰術通信資訊通信 |
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這是一個平台那這個平台可以做什麼用處呢除了戰場大環境的顯示最主要是可以用在災防就像這一次我想這一次院長跟我們很多的部會所長也非常辛苦到了災區去那麼我們應該在我們的災防中心建立一套顯示系統 |
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那這個可以把國軍的一部分的區域性的大突擊輸入你只要看環境至於你的上面的符號可以自己設計自己標定最起碼我們看到災區看到一個大的土礦 |
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這個比較重要的是什麼因為這一次馬太安溪的狀況花蓮變成大受災戶實質上我們的中央地方單位大家都投入在這個投入過程中間有的資訊並沒有辦法相互分享我給您做一個示範這張圖的底圖是用美國海洋大氣總署的3D圖做底圖 |
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那麼我們政府公佈了有各個地方溢流潰壩但是沒有辦法標註完整準確的位置所以9月23號燕塞湖溢流潰壩30分鐘洩露了出來多少匣的泥沙這是報導說是把堤的南邊沖毀了 |
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我们花莲受了很大损失但是在9月25号的那天这个是日本的卫星照片所以你从这个日本卫星照片看出来它不只是溃堤它已经从前面就已经把你城市冲进来了也就是说堤内已经破了 |
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這個部分我們並沒有利用國內整合的機制讓當時救災的部隊或者是在預防的時候能夠看到所以透過國外公情資料能夠顯示任何一個災區的狀況我覺得對未來防災的 |
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預防或者是災後的損害管制甚至救災人員投入救災人員的安全都是有幫助的您說的是9月25號晚上那個日本照片9月25號是不是圖像已經顯示出來就淹過了那個堤防內了所以說並不是只是堤破缺口它整個漫進來的那個量太大了這個是日本的衛星情報 |
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因为我们在做防灾做救灾每一次得了一个经验下一次就修正进去希望能够做预应减少灾损我想中央指导地方地方配合中央大家要变成一个团队因为资源有限时间有限最主要是防灾的反应时间非常有限 |
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这个图告诉我们了以后这个图我最近跟顾部长提过了这个是在昨天的金门的就是中共的商船进入我们的禁县制水域它还有很多的商船毛破就是圆圈圈的灰色的是把AIS关掉了你掌握不住不知道是哪个国籍所以要靠海巡的船出来执法去监控 |
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这个负荷超过金房部的能力那么很多的责任是由海委会海巡署来承担那今天早上有委员跟您建议就说中共在灰色地带这个商鱼船鲫鱼船进来如果我们监控这个回报这个能够确定产生效益化应该增加奖金 |
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我建议把这个奖金捐给海运这个海巡署因为这个都是工型完全可以强化海巡署海巡的这个设备这个才是重要是的那这个就是刚才两点钟抓的资料红圈圈的是代表中国大陆的商船蓝色的是我们中华民国籍那这个把AS关掉的船明显变少了 |
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我个人认为是海巡在那边今天可能着墨叫声失利比较大所以他很多的船就不敢关掉或者就离开了我觉得国防部跟海委会甚至陆委会因为国军不会跟对面去做对话但是站在管辖权跟执法的面向 |
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海委會海巡署是跟對方的海警是必須要溝通的那減低衝突強化溝通我覺得這是可以努力的大家談到AI因為AI是一門這個市場無限但是這個景深大家都在談但是對AI到底怎麼運用 |
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这个第一个就是说我们一个研发单位有一个构想长官接不接受先approved也叫AIapproved idea第二个我们的基础设施是不是在我们的施政报告已经纳入了authorized infrastructure第三个你的资讯怎么样强化甚至做你的这个软体的这个algorithm的 |
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界面的整合最后进到AI所以说有核心的概念有互动的关系这个图表我们事后提供做参考那这个就是现在当前的关键基础设施了我们目前政府是把关键基础设施把它名字列出来强调它的重要性那这个当然还有精进的空间我们运用AI不同的面向 |
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把所有的关键基础设施的互动关联性牵扯出来了当某一个功能上司有没有其他的补足有没有的锻炼那这个图表实际上他是有三层但最重要的他强调第一的就是电网就是断电如何强化电网不要被破坏或者是不要地方政府失去了质管能力因为我们的一般的 |
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公共設施受消防安全法的規定地下室不能除油只有緊急發電機這個部分將來可以修法強化那才會將來在地下五層六層的停車場可以模仿以色列變成除油除水變成醫療設施那就是這個韌性的一個部分當我們市區沒有電了超商也沒有了 |
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ATM machine不能提前了手机不通了这个时候如何恢复供电这个是社会任性的强度所以在这个状况下我们也看到政府的指导列出了核心的任务但是这个是垂直面向堆叠式的 |
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後面我們希望能把它發展出互動關係因為有一個脆弱點不能解決他可能把其他的政府的功能會拖住所以我們肯定政府的方向指導但是後面還要有強化的更新的空間 |
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这个是海揽目前14条海揽那么当然也有重化电信的有不同的商业公司的他每一个海揽都跟格外的修复公司签约所以商船来了要 |
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就是修護纜船來了要修尤其是要等一兩個月但是目前斷纜的多半是本島到離島因為水淺大概60公尺80公尺所以一些惡意破壞的不管是漁船拖網或者是第三國掛旗的隱藏式的商船放下毛鏈去拖帶這個是可以監控 |
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但是如果真正的海揽功能丧失现阶段我们跟英国OneWeb公司签的通讯频道因为没有地面台的设施所以卫星通过的时候会产生时间的gap因为目前没有地面站我们要用日本跟曼谷的地面站海揽传递 |
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因为OneWeb只有650颗卫星Starlink7000个卫星俄乌战争时候Starlink提供它了8400个地面站接收点并不是地面站但是每个站就有很多的老百姓去用手机但是我们这个状况下我们希望未来跟其他的卫星公司要多沟通因为光这个是不够的 |
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国家安全战略是我个人一直期许我们的政府希望在这一任内能够一个公布一下官方版的国家安全战略因为我们的邻居友邦美国英国法国德国奥地利日本韩国都公布了官方版的国家安全战略 |
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那麼國家安全戰略並不完全聚焦在國防軍事那社會的韌性醫療能源各個東西都含括在內那主要是說你設計了目標國家的實力方法但是最主要就是影響我們的因素啊還有關切的問題包括了兩岸情勢外交政策國防政策經濟政策能源政策資安政策 |
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人口政策以及最重要的社會韌性最後國家安全戰略三個重要的目標 |
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主要是和平避戰強化安全維護主權確保民主促進繁榮社會和諧所以我們看的這個國防的這個白皮書啊軍事戰略他是要嚇阻贏得戰爭但是國防戰略國家安全戰略的目的是贏得和平所以這裡面有很多跨部會的協商折衷妥協需要共同努力 |
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面對嚴峻的變局是國安的挑戰所以我們有幾個面向外交 社會 醫療 能源產業 經濟 軍事 政治國家安全戰略是它的核心心系台灣行穩致遠就是說它每一個狀況都產生互動性而不是切開來單獨去談的目前我們成立了三個特別委員會總統很重視但是因為它不是政府的 |
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长设编制任务编组虽然有很多的专家学者企业界朋友提出好的建议我想在开完会以后当他们离开了剩下的我们的部会首长在座协商的时候发现这里面有很多的任务使命并没有含括在他的年度预算或者是他要做的计划执行人力复合 时间反应 |
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每個部會的人數也不同單綱的責任也不同要靠一個國家安全戰略做水平性的分工這個時候就不是每人20%有的35% 有的45%錢預算也不同 責任也不同下面我也請外交部長一起來一下因為我上次跟部長也做過溝通我們在今年4月看到 |
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美國川普總統他提出關稅問題後因為他是一個玩大戰略手法的人從這個圖上你可以看到關稅談判不是他的目標是他的手段他的本質他說不只是經濟問題更是國安問題所以當他談到國安問題的時候他就把地緣政治 地緣戰略地緣經濟全部給抽出來了 |
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你從看這個圖上他設定了他的目的方法手段我們現在是在他的手段中去對應他我個人粗淺的看法這樣子我們去談判的人都委屈了吃虧了因為他很多的方法你要做預判在這個裡面 |
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他五轮谈判他其实可以再做第二回再来跟中国大陆中国大陆就玩这个手法跟他两个在对峙但中间你看到他的财长商业部长 |
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有人眼白臉有人有黑臉那USTR的代表呢他是這個法律專家他左右調節都談好了川普拍手再加壓於是又再回來一輪所以他們最主要是你要了解在這個談判過程中啊你的承受度你的信賴度你的這個 |
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调节空间还有达成度去对应美国人讲的我先把你拆火拆掉最后拔隐性最后去风险不行就解构原来是脱钩不解构现在他连解构都不怕一谈完了中国大陆就跟他又回到上面说我们在APEC好好再谈这个301条款本来说要寄出来现在又说再研究所以等于说他们又回到原点后面这张图 |
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就是顯示了我們的總統跟院裡面同仁講的五大策略的應變將來我們在應變過程中間要加一些預印的參考值你要回頭看到的他的目的方法手段在階段性去把它破解 |
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這個就是這次美中五輪談判這個都是從公開的資料那這個談判的回路結果去證明前面要做結構性的分析是有利於我們的判斷這個東西我覺得是要大家共同努力那並不是談判代表以他專業只聚焦在那個領域裡面也就是說跨部會協商我的籌碼可以借給他來用或者是他談判的過程中間遭遇困難我來幫你演壞人 |
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因為這個一定要交替而不能從頭到尾演好人這張圖表顯示了過去八年來從川普第一任 |
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到拜登第一任再回头川普第二任他们在战略上的手法他的思维在这个里面对每个国家来讲基于他的国家利益没有对错但是你发现里面有一个连贯性的分析他就是在这个虚线的圈圈内前后调节加码升温不行了我就退一步移到后面去要前面要施压了我就拉回来所以他永远玩的是什么 |
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這個同步施壓法律作為那不行的話形塑氛圍軍演表態所以原來說破解現在可以重新的這個董軍啊跟Hexes在馬來西亞說我們可以再重新對話川普也說好朋友好朋友可以全世界都好朋友但是好朋友的口袋多深每個人想法不一致所以必須有一個完整的戰略讓你做育嬰那這個東西只是前後調節 |
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這個老公說這個eBay我也不在乎我不願意打但也不怕打那現在就是重新要來對話了可是美國在重新對話的同時各位看到這個是一個封面How to win the peace上面是一個和平歌 |
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鸽子尾巴实际上是一个B2轰炸机美国在跟他谈要和平的时候宣布了我要恢复核武测试所以在国际上面永远是两手策略千万不要太善意掏底我是觉得要有所保留然后坏人交换来演这个对我们来讲以后的谈判我觉得是有帮助的下面一张图就讲出国家安全战略的关联性 |
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包括治安 軍事 經濟 政治我們的利益有一般利益 特種利益長期利益 短期利益我們的價值觀是民主 法治 自由 平等這中間有一個重要性就是國安重心 |
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center of gravity那這個必須有一個公開版的國安戰略在跨部會之中間大家有所預行尤其是對國際的友盟他知道我的核心利益知道我會做什麼的想法 |
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在捏拿中间它不会下危险期那我们的风险可以略微降低至于我们的价值观是坚守我们的台湾的民主法治可是利益是可以交换的长利短利特种利益一般利益但这个纠结起来中间有三个C一个是国安重心一个是我们跨部会的共同行为依据Code of Conduct第三个就是说我们要有好几个选项 |
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在這個糾結起來最後國際現實中大國式兩手策略對應雙重標準迫使談判代表妥協讓步我想今天的這個場合我跟兩位部長也做過溝通情誼也請院長在持續指導下我們還是有經濟的空間我們希望共同努力請院長給我們一點指導 |
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非常感謝委員剛剛委員的兩段話第一段在國家安全軍事戰略上當然我佩服委員我沒有辦法像委員這麼的專業那至於後面這一段就是台美談判的過程 |
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我可以這麼形容委員委員是掌握資訊觀察入圍如臨現場幾乎達到知己知彼的這個境界這非常佩服不過我認為美中跟美台之間的談判它有一個最基本的結構不同就是美中之間 |
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對立性比較強美台之間互利性比較強所以在這情況底下我們當然有談判的策略但我們是基於互相有利益的發展情況下並不是採取像美中之間談談 打打 停停談談的過程 |
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我覺得我們這樣會比較贏得國際的信任跟互相合作的基礎那我們在基礎上我們還是以國家的利益產業的利益國人的安全跟糧食安全國人健康這四項原則跟美方進行我們應該有的談判爭取最有利於國家的未來的結果 |
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謝謝兩位部長平常我們在委員會中間可以充分溝通當然我們大家都發現還有努力的空間因為時間有限 資源有限 人力有限怎麼樣做最好的發揮還是要從上層給一個明確的國家安全戰略指導跨部會的協商 |
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社會的韌性它的重要性其實跟戰略的嚇阻力是相同的重要地方政府也必須要秉於這個方法共同努力希望產生一個同步同調一個國家的施政方針謝謝今天這個長官麗玲也謝謝院長我們的互動指導謝謝謝謝文子將謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長 |
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下一位我們請黃仁委員質詢 |