| IVOD_ID |
164976 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164976 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-04T10:04:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-04T10:20:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92d7873cb56ba25f9b215fc8f0fe9e98278cc3fca10ad78dc76c4bccc10df23b7a4feae0cd811d6a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃仁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:11 - 10:20:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案；本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案等5案。（10月31日）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。三、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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討論一下我們在政府落實憲法的143條我們對於國家 |
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對於土地分配的整理因應扶持自耕農及自行使用土地人為原則之土地政策自從1948年起曾有三個階段陸續辦理工地販林第一個階段就是1948年自1976年的9月面積13萬8千餘公噸 |
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成林農戶達28萬6千餘戶第二階段是1989年在專案的範例以專案方式辦理台中縣南斗縣等多處土地範例面積1萬1千餘公頃成林農戶8千餘戶在第三個階段在1994年的續辦工地範例一國有耕地 |
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耕地放嶺實施辦法並計劃在2003年12月底辦理完成但後來在921政災之後在桃枝豐臺 |
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颱風、土石流重創臺灣後,行政院前面檢討工地放領政策,從2002年到2008年陸續停辦各項工地放領到至今。我想請教,停擺了18年之後,工地放領政策即將重啟, |
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行政院近日拍板以宜蘭縣蘇澳鎮朝陽里大南澳地區約80公頃的台拓 |
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排拓地作為示範區重新開啟工地放映預計在三個月內完成放映作業請問一下院長這一次的示範未來將評估是否擴大至全國1700公頃的國有地 平地 耕地 |
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這個問題是不是未來事半成功之後後續會不會普遍全國的1700公頃的土地謝謝委員基於現在有多數的土地由國人長期的承租那麼也有養殖或者是耕作的事實為了這樣的歷史上所遺留下來的問題我們重新的檢驗過去 |
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那您剛剛所提到的這個台拓地在大南澳地區因為它已經進行了某一個程序跟政府之間達到某一個一定程度的互相的理解但是因為某種因故把它停下來了我們想從這個部分先來試行能不能續行來辦理它的後續從這個地方開始那會累積我們現在跟其他 |
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下幾個階段的一些經驗那這個台拓地現在在辦理的過程當中我們也一直在跟地方做很多細節上的一些討論那這個部分內政部可以再做作品說明總之這是一個事半的經驗如果可行我們可以考慮的把它放大部長你來回應一下好了因為這個前一段時間為了這個工地放年也弄得沸沸揚揚在各縣市裡面 |
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那你们行政院也回应了在三个月内完成这个放你的一个作业那未来普及到整个全国那这个也是全国所需而必须行政院有正面的回应 |
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內政部你們有正面回應要給我待會請內政部來回應一下因為本席要求行政院重啟工地範圍的政策是近日院長的回應將以賴總統的指示訂定的目標時程把它完成請問一下我們的部長在這個目標要多久一年兩年三年 |
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謝謝委員的關心總統跟院長有多次指示包括內政部還有財政部現在對於所謂的工地放領的部分我們在進行的是清查的作業因為試射到甚至是五六十年以前的部分但是有幾個指示的要點第一個如果是牽涉到國土保安或者是自然保育或者是不能夠觸犯到原住民基本法 |
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你現在回答我這是人民的財產 |
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但經過這麼多年的沒有辦法處理我想今天我問你都已經分了三個階段到你們現在的執政也希望在工地放零在政治上趕快執行你看看你們未來執行一年 |
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這個目前的時程還沒有辦法確定因為現在我們的指示就是在宜蘭的這個地方大南澳的地方的台地先來做試辦那試辦的過程當中會有我們要申請的人他所提出的這些不管是文件是否是合法或者是合憲 |
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或者是合規所以必須要有一個審議委員會要地方政府一起協助才有可能三個月內已經要回應都已經在做實施做示範在宜蘭這一些地方地區我想給國人知道到底你們的作業是不是要盡快你能不能回應要五年內還是要兩年內 |
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我們現在要的是這個答案我們會把這樣的時程報到行政院讓行政院做綜合決定因為剛好我跟委員有報告過不是只有內政部還有包括財政部這種踢皮球的一些方式不是踢皮球我們是神聖在評估不是你們現在要做的你要獲得人民的能夠認同你們行政院內政部 |
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就是應該要徹徹底底改變過去你們在對人民的承諾而且倒不清楚現在我們要你是要清楚因為你們重新要做嘛重新既然要獲得人民的肯定跟認同 |
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你要讓人民對你們重啟信心嘛是不是現在院長你來回答如果在期程裡面要一年兩年三年五年你回答一下能夠盡速在幾年內希望能夠在工地放你的作業裡面 |
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是不是盡快也讓人民對你們執政有信心嘛好不好因為我剛剛跟委員報告現在這個大南澳台拓地是在試辦把過去的程序把它完備過來所以他其中牽涉到很多的問題比方說 |
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權力怎麼證明人民怎麼申請年限怎麼做基準再來地價如何計算到目前都還在試算當中所以我認為這件事辦至少要給一年的時間如果這一年時間做得出來以後我們才能推算以後的時間你有答案了嗎一年內把宜蘭這個地區的趕快去做完成另外我希望 |
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把这些作业流程因为它既有的都有已经在三个阶段里面在过去所碰到的问题都已经历历在目你们从哪一个地方来节短补偿这个就是你们的经验 |
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能夠趕快不要再走回頭路然後再研究在什麼本來三個階段裡面都已經有了嘛所以作為你們的佐證作為你們可以走捷徑的路來完成這樣的人民需求嘛 |
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好不好每一個階段每一個年代已經處理過的方式程度內容都不盡相同所以要重新來看所以我們希望把宜蘭這個當作一個示範如果完成之後才來規劃未來有一個一套的標準統一的做法一年內那就趕快好不好一年內是說宜蘭這件事情對對對我至少要一年我們盡量把它完成針對我們花蓮災後慰問服務站的啟動我們碰到了一些問題 |
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碰到了問題麻煩再重新嚴查到底是你們行政院內政部所下達的還是地方的行政院的分業搞不清楚狀況很多的這個 |
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灾 灾富要申請你們相關曾經的顧問所表示的只要是認定居住的市市店面也淹水都會這個都會從寬認地的補助但是本席接獲了很多族人無姓的先生的反應及多數的負數那 |
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他復籍不再籍但是那個經過村長的證明確實他是從小到大在那個地方老家在那個地方那因為工作因素舉家了到都會區這是常常碰到的尤其現在在都會區裡面的原住民已經將近達到55%55%所以 |
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當然他們戶籍為了地方的福利政策那把戶籍遷到這個都會區但是老家都還在那個地方受到這一次的災區而影響他的一些住的地方那他們按照曾經的顧問所講的申請的程序都按照這個地方的分院竟然告訴他說你不在一起的 |
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就不能申請這個補助的36萬對嗎 院長他應該要有一個證明的依據所以你們要嚴查到底是行政院分院花蓮分院是怠惰還是不知道這個事你們要嚴查 |
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這是人民的財產跟生命的財產他們需要你們的關愛跟補助他們需要這些但是碰到了這個困難奇怪上下一心本來你們行政院要這樣做結果上下分心不一樣的政策想法 |
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曾經的顧問都已經講得很清楚只要是你的 |
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你的住宿是在這裡經過村長的認定之後然後得以補住那為什麼地方分院搞不清楚狀況然後行政院的好意內政部的好意變成地方分院搞不清楚狀況造成了地方的困擾報告委員我們來查明清楚一下就是剛剛院長所指示的有戶籍證明或是有居住事實因為他這個補助是根據家戶 |
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我們不對個案做評析但是個案可以拿給我們我們來評估一下我們花蓮光復馬太安光復的太帕朗很多的災民 新生只讓你們很清楚今天上下沒有一心你們的好運 下面的分數並沒有按照你們的地方來做一個實施的政策造成我們需要你們 |
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真正的關愛的時候達不到這樣的一個目的所以你們要清查 個案並不影響整體的政策我們都是從寬來決定委員各位鼓勵當初這一陣子的服務不是曾經得贈我一個人 |
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百多人在裡面服務 各單位都有而且大家也非常有效率你把它說成是騙人 這個真的不好他是行政政策顧問 已經代表你們講話了那你們的好意有了 地方搞不清楚狀況所以我們來查明啊 嚴查一下好不好哪一個帶多的 哪一個說的我們也會查出 那個負數的 那些投訴的人我們請他調查說 到底是誰講的你們要嚴查嘛 |
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對不對 不是說領了薪水不做事哪有這種行政觀念我們都很辛苦在做事 報告委員沒有領薪水不做事這樣對我們一站式服務的中央地方的公務人員是一種不太好的 不禮貌的我替臺花蓮光復的災民替他們說一個情 |
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為什麼因為我當下在10月24號我就到那個地方進駐感謝台糖的協助能夠讓我有一個救災的服務中心在那個地方我23號就10月23號我就在那個地方我現場看得非常清楚我在那個地方看了 |
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真的情何以堪整個像一個原子彈炸掉的一個鄉鎮土地它的自己的農地覆蓋了將近兩層樓房子覆蓋了沙堆將近一層樓以上整個街上整個都是情不堪真的是像一個災區 |
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我們在這個地方我10月17號才收攤那你們行政院有發布10月18號應該11月18號應該就要回來了但是我們在那個地方還有很多的農地到現在沒有辦法處理因為他的堆砂已經在兩層樓以上他沒有辦法 |
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好 谢谢 |