| IVOD_ID |
164975 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164975 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-04T09:48:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-04T10:03:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92d7873cb56ba25f5fe72b3d72886d76278cc3fca10ad78dc76c4bccc10df23b7884b307e7568acc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:06 - 10:03:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案；本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」，請審議案等5案。（10月31日）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。三、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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所以主席有請卓院長請卓院長備詢麥委員好 |
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院長好今天我要代表100萬的新住民向行政院長申訴的是新住民基本法三讀通過已經一年了實施日期 |
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未定依照新住民基本法第4條中央映射新住民發展署依法行政是政府的義務我今年2月就正式發函給內政部移民署要他們提供籌備資料結果完全沒有回應到了10月我再度發函結果呢一樣沒有會議記錄沒有時程沒有預算 |
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沒有決議就幾張摘要還有空話這不是行政透明這是行政汙染行政院是最影響國家發展的機構開會連討論內容都寫不出來這是召集人的失能還是主管的無能他們坐在冷氣房吃飯領薪水就好啦 |
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這不是行政怠惰這是對百萬新住民的忽視與歧視新住民不是次等公民我再次請教行政院長你要繼續裝傻裝聾還是要真正面對新住民的期待各部會故意拖延就是對人民的不尊重 |
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忽視法律藐視制度依法我們有權利要求行政院必須守法負責立即行動落實新住民基本法院長你要去研辦你做到嗎你能做到你覺得他們是這樣這麼忽視 |
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報告委員內政部在去年的9月就已經成立了籌備小組那目前這個他在今年的10月也幫將這個草案報到院裡面來因為現在有人事總署在會商各個部會跟機關 |
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希望能夠有進一步的進度那進度如果我們有進一步的確定的進度跟具體的結果之後我們就會進行下一步的這個程序那這個過程可以跟委員再報告目前的進度 |
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你们的进度 再来看就是你们的进度你们的筹备小组从第四次到第七次都在讨论人力配置请问结果是什么为什么连续三次的会议还在原地踏步人力的配置有那么困难吗 |
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還是根本沒有人在做我還沒有叫你回答你先不回答你們10月送來的資料看起來好像是有在進度但是裡面沒有內容沒有方向也沒有結論 |
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这不是行政效率的低落这简直是行政怠慢就是很烂很差这个回应的方式不只是傲慢还敷衍了国会还更是糟蹋了新住民基本法这样子的回应你说的多少个月什么的就是这样子的回应是这样吗 |
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我剛剛說過我很謝謝籌備小組非常的慎重開了很多次的會議慎重就是這樣 開很多會是這樣所以整個行政院開會都是這樣就是很慎重籌備小組很慎重開了多次的會議今年十月 慎重開會就是這幾張你看到的就是這幾張 |
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就是慎重開會法例已經通過了總統也公告了依法就是要該成立新住民發展署但是到現在在研議中不只是在研議這個是行政的疏失甚至可能是故意違法我今天是要來跟院長申訴的要求行政院要給新住民還有國會還有我們台灣社會一個交代 |
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到底是哪個部會在拖延要站出來負責新住民等的不是一個口號啦要依法 要應有的尊重還有行動但是你們看到的就是你們整個行政院的開會都是這樣這不是行政院的開會 這籌備小組的開會 |
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所以你的管理疏失嘛你管理的行政院不是行政院開會小組開會就允許這樣嗎一開始就告訴委員這個案子今年的10月送到行政院現在人事總處正在會商各部會中這是最新的進度委員要更新這個最新的進度最新的進度就是這裡不是是這裡這裡哪裡嘛就是今年10月送到行政院 |
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今年10月送到行政院 從去年8月就是總統公告了三讀通過 今年這一年內政部長在我們協商也答應一年內就實施日期 現在已經超過一年了所以我再請教我們的院長你覺得整個開會就這樣 |
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小組開會也是這樣子你應該聽最新的進度最新的進度在哪裡嘛我現在講第三次 今年的10月已經送到行政院10月要的 這個是10月要的來 10月的 今年10月要的今年10月已經送到行政院行政院人事總署在會商各部會 |
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一旦有具体的进度就会往前走这是最新的进度那个已经是过程了那个已经是过程了进度在这里进度在哪里嘛今年的十月十月的我这个十月要的 |
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10月要的資料 今年10月要的資料就給我這樣報告委員 你現在看到了這個籌備小組的會議是我們內政部的層級那剛剛院長跟你回應的是行政院所以內政部長的層級就是開會就這樣嗎 |
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沒有內容就是這樣嗎 這是你的成績報告委員 您這樣子的資料有一點不太一樣不太一樣 當我們跟你們要的資料你們給我們的那你要不要聽我回答二月跟十月跟內政部跟移民署要的資料就這樣百分之百要的資料就這樣 十月份給我的但是我們有最新進度要跟委員補充報告看委員需不需要知道 |
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什麼要補充補充什麼我10月份要的就是這個你怎麼補充補充報告現在這個時候我們立法院現在已經11月了我們要的明確的就是說新住民基本法什麼時候實施日期還有我們按照 |
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就是第一个新住民基本法我们的实施日期什么时候公布第二个依法基本法第四条的中央设施新住民发展署组织法行政院草案现在在哪里第三新住民基本法什么时候成立 |
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是沒有人負責還是沒有在運作主管單位無能還是問題出在哪裡但是我們看到的就是籌備小組的債要我們要了從2月要到10月就給我們這樣子的債要還要開會的底次3到4次3到4次就是這樣子的債要 |
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這樣子的話我們感覺就是你們在開會還是在拖延委員最新的進度我已經報告三次或許委員沒有辦法理解我請部長再說一次最新的進度跟委員報告一下我們移民署的組織法的修正草案跟新住民發展署的組織法草案已經送到行政院來審議 |
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那接下來步驟就是剛剛院長所指示的他會要求這個人事行政總署要邀集各部會那目前我們的協商機制裡面有一個組織法內政部組織法現在是由大院的吳宗憲委員現在在那個委員會在那個做政黨協商是我們次長出席的現在 |
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不是現在啦到協商的時間你都不記得11點今天11點不是現在不是現在還有我們呢我已經在立法院已經說三讀通過附帶決議就是70個第三機構 |
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到七十一附待勤協議就是新住民發展署你也不知道所以這個今天我為什麼要跟院長申訴說你們的部門去開會這樣子讓我們感覺整個行政院開會就是這樣 |
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整個行政院你們你的部會下面開會都是這樣都沒不到硬做只有標題沒有內容也沒有時間也沒有結議如果你說你們在協議今天是我們拜託我們吳宗憲我們的召委今天要開不是你們要開是你們也沒有重視這一塊如果再重視我再請教你再 |
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我們的總預算裡面也完全沒有新住民發展署的成立的預算預算裡面完全沒有還有你們說開會已經討論組織人力還有按照理說應該我們的債要裡面一定要有薪水辦公廳社或者 |
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資訊系統宣傳或者業務推廣的完整的評估結果一毛錢都沒有編這樣的籌編會議就連一個基本的經費概算都沒有這是嘗試不足還是根本沒有打算成立行政院的職責在哪裡 |
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就是依法行政 就是在一個公文就是做做樣子 給我們的資料 這樣就好了嗎?我的常識是 沒有組織就沒有預算說得很好 但是什麼時候新住民基本法實施日期公布? |
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那現在這個組織要先送到行政院基本法的組織基本法公佈日期什麼時候你公佈日期這個組織法的草案今年的10月已經送到法都沒有公佈啊 你公佈嘛日期什麼時候 |
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草案才送到行政院 十月才送到行政院所以現在要通過一個組織法組織法是我們去推你們完全沒有版本你們完全沒有版本 |
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要看哪一個組織法是內政部的組織法還是新住民發展署的組織法也沒有版本 完全沒有版本到現在為止我沒有看到你們一個字現在在行政院審議當中剛剛院長已經有三次跟您回應所以我今天問你 你才說有嘛但是我們到現在為止我們還沒有看到啊所以我要的是說新住民基本法 |
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法律通過總統的公告了但是什麼時候給我們的就是法律的執行日期 |
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草案送到行政院之後 人事總署會集各部會的基金新住民基本法 我問了新住民基本法我今天是最後一次跟你對話所以呢 要問你要講出的 明確的施行日期要一切準備的法制跟配套完全合適妥善之後才可以實施啊 |
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新著名基本法要實施日期 新著名組織法我們在協商 兩回輸啦 還有內政部的組織法就另外第三個你搞不清楚嗎 行政院長委員請你不要那麼情緒好嗎 |
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我跟你講的事實沒辦法不情緒我們很心痛也很憤怒因為一年了今年十月已經送來了已經講第四次了你講第四次是那個新住民組織法我講的新住民基本法 |
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一切要把這個整個法制配套完成之後我們才決定說總統公佈是一空的啊總統公佈是你不會聽總統公佈的法例是不算數的施行日期行政院會決定施行日期行政院決定你講對了14日期行政院決定但是你沒有決定啊我們要的是你的決定啊這個基本法下面很多的作用法相關的法制配套完整之後 |
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我們來決定說如何施行一旦施行沒有其他配套將無法施行新住民基本法沒有實施日期所以呢新住民組織法你們沒有半個字今天才要跟我講你說有所以10月就送來了怎麼會沒有半個字呢沒有看到 |
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到現在為止我們沒有看到我也沒有看到要等到人事總數審完之後我們要的資料就是這樣子所以院長我希望我們新住民等的不是一季會議 |
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會研議或者一份就是會議在要我們等的是一個依法行政願意負責願意行動的政府新住民基本法實施日期新住民發展署成立時間我們在這裡正式要求行政院一個月內提出明確的時程表讓中央與地方依據訂定的具體政策讓人民看到結果 |
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而不是一個推託或者口號這不是請求這是依法依物我們等到新住民在選舉的時候呢你們就想到新住民不要讓支持者讓我們感受到政府的心寒對政府的心寒只是一個空話我們要的依法行政好 |
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好謝謝麥委員 |