| IVOD_ID |
164954 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164954 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-03T10:22:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-03T10:35:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/64fc785e736c17e9392bd9b8afeefcb4926af2ae94b9c1ca8472f51db95f9227951c1d5c912628115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃仁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:34 - 10:35:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「近年國軍各項軍事工程落後及軍、商購案延宕原因分析及具體應處作為」，並備質詢。） |
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有些事情也是要讓你了解但是我請邱常務長來回答這個問題我們也要找出一個問題出來 |
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有關於在我們的驛山艦是海鯨首艘也是最大的頓擊的一個兩棲船塢運輸艦但是最近出了個問題這個螺旋槳的葉片斷裂的這個狀況那另外就是斷裂的狀況是不是常常頻繁 |
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那斷裂之後這個羅先生講的斷裂會造成怎麼樣的一個風險那另外就是是不是材質的問題還是這個設計的問題麻煩常務長你來說明一下 |
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是 委員好 海軍參謀長跟您做報告那他在任務款來的時候他的這個右車的五片中間有一片的確在末端的部分有這個受損的情形那我們經過水下的這個檢查 完成檢查之後那發覺這個部分是他的那個面他是非常的這個切齊非外力的碰撞所以我們經過調查人為環境跟外力之後我們會配合這個 |
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台船的原廠來做一個跟公正第三方會做一個完整的一個噪音分析那平常來講這個車業應該不至於造成如果不是外力造成的這個這個我們會納入後續的這一個的這個分析跟調查那如果說是非屬於這個人力的部分那我們會請這個船長部分針對這個部分會做一個後續會有一個協調他會在另外幫我們車制必要的這個車業給我們以上是說明因為 |
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這個玉山劍是你們這個海經噸位最大的一個金券所以它具有代表一個意義那所以它的問題存在的話這個是會延伸到其他的這一些它的基建我們就比如說玉山劍在2022年的時候九葉交建 |
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那2023年的6月成軍但服役不到三個月這個他的走診套就發現了謀損的嚴重那這個後來調查 有調查了沒有 |
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跟委員報告 我們調查完呢 是 原因是它的軸套的部分的一個材質那因為 而原型件 它在相關的一個測試跟它的使用都有在保固期間後來我們也用保固的期間 我們又回船廠的船塢裡面現在已經完成了這個 它的材質的更換 那目前測試都是正常那針對這個部分 因為有影響到我們權益 所以後面它的延長保固目前也持續在中 |
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所以可見 是不是材料 材質的問題 是不是是 現在初步判決是它的軸套的材質跟相關的硬力所造成那後續我們會透過裝備的保養跟後續 陸續的進入我們都會去量測 以為這個安全跟權益但是 這個兩個零件看起來不相關 |
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但是兩次的事件裡面發生都在以推進的系統出問題的所以本市想了解當初造艦的時候推進系統有些哪些部分是台船自己負責有些哪個部分是台船委託其他的廠商所以本市在問玉山艦兩次事故進場檢修除了台船和海軍外有沒有請第三方 |
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第三方接同檢修跟委員報告因為他有些的料件是屬於是其他的廠來實施那我們也都跟這個相關的原廠有請這個台船來聯繫共同來找出這個發生的一個原因我們這邊建議你剛剛之前有講了第三方的檢修就非常的重要為什麼 |
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因為它可以突破到台船跟海軍的盲點之外有第三方作為真正找出一個問題所在這樣的話你們才可以真正找出一個問題所在所以我想這個就是我們後續間未來 |
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可以再發生這種狀況所以我們今天講一塊我要讓部長知道這種狀況未來我們必須要多注意到這些後續艦包含義商艦包含我們的海昆艦後續的發展如何推進 好不好好 請回另外我想請教一下部長我們延宕了F16V |
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我們浪費了到現在我們所有6572億都還在延宕在那個地方我們目前的交件如何的狀況我想部長 |
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你自己本身在媒體上都講了這個非常的困難因為什麼 具有挑戰性那你認為這個交界 |
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是不是可以如期的交件還是有挑戰性部長你回答一下好不好垂詢的是那個海昆艦的部分嗎不是 F-16BF-16B 就是說我們剛剛已經講了現在在線組裝的有總共有50架同時 |
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那其中有10架我們預計在今年的年底前會組裝完成那要進行這個測試飛行所以我們明年應該是可以獲得F-16B的交機但是是不是66架能夠全速交機這個我想具有挑戰性好 |
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這本來就應該要交機的不是說今年底十一月份你們都已經對外說在十一月份應該要交機到明年但是能不能六十六下這個都是一個挑戰性本來這個在用特別預算來做一個經購的時候我們應該在如期的交建這就是對我們 |
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國人有一個交代 但問題是你剛剛講的 是不是66架如期到期 都一個挑戰性所以這個要講清楚 但跟國人有所清楚我們經購的66架的16V |
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也應該給國人很清楚的因為未來我們的經購還要提高經購還要提高所以這樣的一個沒有如期交件我們又如何的提高我們國防預算那個我請參謀長你回答一下交機的程序跟問題所在你來說明一下 |
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所以跟委員報告交接程序的部分我們現在剛剛誠如部長所報告的我們現在有50架在線10架已經完成組裝那組裝完成之後預計在本來在這兩個月要進行試飛那因為整合上面還有一些問題在解決所以說試飛完成之後它的供進就會進度的會比較快一點因為在整個你所謂的快是什麼 |
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因為像現在其實整個廠的進度是陸陸續續一直在走所以並不是說停在那邊0跟100的這個關係他整個工廠其實一直是有在進度那是非的整合一定要在安全的情況下包含美軍他自己也是這樣的要求我們也是這樣要求在不安全的情況下我們絕對不允許做任何的是非 |
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那在整工程的整合上面在這兩個月還有發生一些整合上的問題所以說這個在這兩個月應該可以解決在美軍最新的報告下個年度開始一定可以做一個試飛跟交機的部分那交機不代表飛到台灣來因為交機之後我們在美國還有做一些接收的檢查還有我們要做人員的訓練所以說在美國我們會先派一批人過去做一個訓練才會把飛機飛返 |
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那明年的交機大概有幾台這個還沒辦法跟委員做報告因為整個工廠的進度跟林復健的供給我們是每個月都有在掌握但是要交機數量的部分還是跟委員抱歉沒有辦法給一個明確的數字但是一定會有飛機飛返交一台也是叫交機嗎不會這麼少我們現在目前看整個供進來講的話應該不會這麼少好 |
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我希望預算的經過是國人最關心的我們不能夠讓美國一直把台灣當作是他的一個體管系那第二個我特別要講的 部長我們的軍人的薪資條例國軍的薪資條例有沒有可能在這個會期能夠通過 |
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跟委員報告 我們在今年的4月7月8月都已經分別有調整相關的一些加級包括志願役加級還有戰鬥部隊加級以及網路戰 戰航管等等的這些加級那有關您講的這個軍人待遇條例的這個部分我想行政院已經說明了我想大概在行政立法上面還有一些我想 |
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的分際還要有一些待解決的地方那我想國防部的立場我想我們都會持續的來努力的來提升軍人的待遇那至於這個預算的這個部分要接受行政院的指導基於政務一體的原則部長 你身為一個國防部長 |
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我相信你也體系體系我們這個軍人他們的辛苦都站在第一線我們用良心的思考看看我們應該要給他們一個保障 |
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既然我們軍購提升了我們的特別預算也要提高了為什麼軍人的待遇是沒有提升因為他們站在第一線保護我們國家國人那問題是我們有良心去看本來就應該要加的嘛 對不對那我們已經有通過為什麼三七五減株也補了一點 這也是要通過 |
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所以你應該要跟高層總統來報告這個事情 |
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國軍薪資條例我們要保障他們的薪資因為他們在保護我們的國家他們是站在第一線我們的經購我們的國防預算要提升要提高我們應該要從軍人的薪資條例應該要保障他們這才是真正要照顧他們這樣對我們國家的安全才會更好更好部長你的想法勒 |
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國防部都會努力在做一個整體的規劃那我們像剛剛跟您報告4月7月8月分別有三次的一個調整都是基於一個整體的規劃包括我們認為戰鬥部隊的邊線比比較低那我們就提高大陸的提高戰鬥部隊的一個加急等等的那有一些高度專業的這個部分我們為了要留住人才我們也在這部分加急做增加我想我們國防部也會再持續來檢討 |
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基於總體的規劃來持續的來提出這個加急的這個方案這樣子好 我希望你要慎重的要保障軍人的條例好 以上 謝謝 |