| IVOD_ID |
164941 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164941 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T18:49:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T19:15:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:26:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee73761948dc91d42b7d5ab23772c8b3248844316b578266c30a3124f39f2b1c0f1c420776665bfc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:49:14 - 19:15:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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來 謝謝主席我想請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢院長 |
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因為我知道你等一下有事情如果我的問題多是名聲議題你可以很簡單明快的回答說不定我們也用不到25分鐘這個連續假期的時候金門以前連續假期都這個 |
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颱風啊起霧的時候金門大家常看新聞金門都是這個像去金門大家都說是金門三日遊變關島五日遊然後就非常辛苦對我們觀光形象影響也很大那時候也都三節的時候也都很難拿到票很難買到票居民啊連居民也很難買到票那我們居民要提早去定位啊好像搶票非常辛苦那連續假期連節說要返鄉我們有時候說這個 |
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好 這個你們要解決 希望你們解決但是現在啊 事情已經嚴重到不是連續假期才發生了我想昨天總統去這個澎湖 你們有沒有看到相關的新聞賴總統去澎湖的事情有看到嗎 對不起 前幾天去澎湖啦澎湖發生了就是說連續假期喔 平日現在不只平日連機票也買不到 金門也是一樣啊現在連平日連一張機票也買不到 |
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這個機票這個東西多重要這個交通啊在觀光客來講他是觀光旅遊在當地老百姓來講是基本人權啊行是一個基本人權更何況澎湖跟馬祖有船啊我們基本還沒有客輪可以到臺灣來啊我讓你看一下你看新馬澎湖之前上次我直訓的時候院長您說要研究對吧讓金門有一條新金門輪吧現在進度怎麼樣一年了 |
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部長說明跟委員報告因為院長有交代我們還是希望說朝向這個藍色公路就是用國家用航港局他們來建設你們這個金門輪未來金門有需要或馬祖有需要沒有需要嗎有需要的時候就可以去支援你研究結果金門有沒有需要 |
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都有需要 那什麼時候要幫我們開始做如果由一個縣來養一艘船會非常的辛苦澎湖跟馬祖都有啦新台馬輪跟澎湖輪都有 金門沒有我清楚 但是您在金門應該也很了解一般如果我們要用客輪的話大家其實比較不喜歡啦有些還是希望飛機嘛那現在連飛機也沒位子啊 |
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那船的部分我們現在正在建置藍色公路那沒關係我知道 航空局長跟我講過啦所以請問你這個什麼時候會研究出來什麼時候可以開始實行這個藍色公路這一段那什麼時候可以開始什麼時候編預算 |
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就是110 2022年的預算編進去喔準備要買船 但是船需要兩三年的這個購置的期間沒關係 你已經有編制預算了嘛編那個預算要做這個新就是藍色公路這個金門啊花蓮這些備援的嘛我們今年藍色公路雖然還沒有買到船但是我們用租船的方式已經開始在走在養育量 沒有 |
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4點多就有100多個人在排後部 |
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凌晨四點喔現在這個情形已經快變成每天的情形了我那天到機場後來我到機場去的時候五六點的時候這種互補很嚴重啊 排不到位子不是說去觀光旅遊啊是回家 回家也不是說是普通上班回家這種回家我在那邊的時候有個阿嬤她九十一歲啦她女兒七十一歲開出病危通知她沒有辦法回家看她女兒一九十一歲 她女兒七十一歲 |
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等不到機會就是等不到機會 因為每一班都是客滿都是客滿的 沒有位子我們還在那邊協助啊 那他的其他的那個那些那個女生的那個兄弟姐妹也要一起回去 因為他那個就是他的女兒已經開病危了 回不去啊那那個前一天晚上 那一天晚上好幾組我實在是 那一天晚上那前一天晚上 經過一個女教師發生車禍啊半夜被車 酒駕的撞死 |
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哥哥姊姊家人在台灣哥哥姊姊要回去幫忙去地檢署辦那個香宴啊什麼辦後事啊辦什麼沒有辦法回去沒有飛機位這個情形現在幾乎每天在發生啊要回去奔喪的要到台灣癌症要開刀什麼都沒有飛機位那總統前一天去澎湖說澎湖現在也是發生了說一票燃酒金門也是一樣啊那總統說他答應澎湖要幫澎湖解決那我昨天講這個也是很重要的事情你可以答應我幫金門解決嗎 |
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我們一起努力幫金門解決如果有這麼多的回家或是旅客表示這個市場是活絡的你知道金門這個航線台金航線的載客率去年有多少嗎那航空公司的部分我們應該要去協調有多少你知道嗎我跟你講85%這個還不包括如果沒有飛機的時候你看旁邊那個顧立雄幫我們多少忙 |
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軍機就一直飛一直飛一直飛一直飛但軍機畢竟是做國防的嘛對不對我們也不是說希望每次都要用到軍機嘛但是沒辦法就是不夠啊連軍機飛都還不夠呢跟委員報告金門因為這幾年你也很清楚小三通越來越多人小三通為什麼會這樣我跟你講這個我就不想再提了為什麼很多人都透過金門走小三通為什麼因為你們就不開放讓這個台灣地區的老百姓自己就 |
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飛啊 你們就要什麼 船客什麼 傘客可以 船客不行啊所以他們就到這裡 講實話叫做跨層 我已經重新問過去了我不研究那個比較複雜的問題 我是想說我們也歡迎很多人從那裡經過 但是我們的基本的交通人權不能被剝奪啦 |
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因為每一件到我這邊陳情安都是生離死別我們每天都感受到這些民航局 我要講幾個事情民航局其實很幫忙我們每次親自跟民航局一直拜託拜託到現場去航空公司也很幫忙大家會盡量來調航班或者是擴大機那有時候沒飛機我請求你華信航空 華航有大飛機每天調一台來飛今天都飛那個小飛機 |
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華航是國家的航空啊商業活動有比人權重要嗎 |
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放大畸形的工作我們也有在做啦對啊 你就固定做啊不要每天我們去反應做一次 我們去反應做一次啊因為這已經變成是一個常態了嘛這個第一個 第二個 像這種臨時的事情建立一個緊急惠普的機制 公開的就是說如果金門人有事情優先嘛 台灣也有要去金門的啊小三通要過去啊 那邊等啊金門也有嘛 優先惠普機制嘛 這個可以嗎 |
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這個我們需要討論一下我跟航空公司討論過了技術上沒有問題有一個政策特定身份的優先我們要全盤考慮這個有現場秩序的問題沒有現場秩序的問題這個登記的時候你填你是金門人還不是金門人到時候看有沒有身份證 |
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非金門的居民也就他有急事的時候會被在現場秩序來打亂到你還是要去登機候補的只是說比如兩個金門人候補然後一個台灣人可以候補兩個金門人這樣你整體看一下技術沒有問題啦技術沒有問題這個不然你看你想這是我幫你想的方法不然你告訴我有什麼方法不然你從華航調大飛機來我會請部長跟航空公司好好的去溝通 |
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增加或是擴大機型這個馬上可以做的85%的達成率啦這還不算百分之百的這個國軍的飛機飛下去每一年每一個節每一次颱風每一次連節都要拜託國防部來飛飛機這個很嚴重啦因為已經不是不是說去來觀光旅遊啦是基本人權都沒有生離死別都永遠沒有還有結婚的也沒有辦法回去到底要怎麼辦他已經前兩個月訂囉已經很早了吧 |
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總統在澎湖承諾的意思就是告訴行政院所有離島的問題我們都要解決總統還在澎湖承諾了要做一個腫瘤中心 |
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那我請教 這個問題呢 金門要做一個腫瘤中心啊總統在三軍訪問中心要設一個腫瘤中心在澎湖讓癌症的病患可以在地治療 離島的問題都是一樣的金門也是一樣啊 金門現在都沒有啊每一年 去年有800多位鄉親申請癌症的醫療交通 |
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補助800多位去113來我講完然後呢每一個人到這裡來治療要住宿要交通要對不對5到10萬都要錢嘛是不是那我們去年就我舊奶婆是去年我舊奶婆就一直講啊新政府也一直講啊以前我也問過蘇貞昌院長為何不一直在評估啊 |
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那你看總統去一下這個澎湖馬上就說一定解決我們是全面在檢討台灣各縣市包括離島現有的醫療資源有不足的我來補充那金門的部分部長來做說明跟委員報告這個我們金門的部分一直在強化他的醫療量能包含CD、MRI還有心療法人士都有了腫瘤的部分也可以在這邊做化學治療我知道 化療沒問題啊 |
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放射線嘛 因為如果有放射線治療就不應該被重視嗎不是 應該跟委員報告因為放射線的治療現在進步非常快沒錯非常的快那你說總統又總統答應在內總統答應在澎湖做一個來來 內總統答應在澎湖做一個的話內總統答應是放射腫瘤中心喔那內總統答應就是沒有來來來 部長 |
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戴總統答應說要在博物座放射腫瘤治療中那戴總統是醫生耶那醫療一直 我也知道這個實際上我討論過這個放射一直進步啊 沒錯啊那放射一直進步所以要新的嘛所以實際上比較不適合在那個做你認識是這樣子嗎不是不是 因為他進步很快啊你投資下去之後用的少 因為病人少對沒錯 因為你找的人少樣態很多 你到本島來有需要的時候本島來可以找到最合適的那總統說三軍總醫院 |
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澎湖分院要設立放射腫瘤中心讓罹患癌症的病人可以在地直接治療不必前往本島接受醫療服務那你是不是要跟賴清德說澎湖也不應該射這應該也是會評估啦這也會評估所以賴清德說的有可能不會實現就對了你意思是這樣子嗎 |
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腫瘤的照顧我們你告訴我目前澎湖也是有這個化學治療也是在進行進入到這個放射線的部分我們也都要評估是哪一種哪一種是合適的我覺得你是一個不錯的這個不錯的這個部長這是部長嗎怎麼跟我以前看到長不到像我在衛環委會的時候好像如來如笑臉石部長不要認錯人石部長 |
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我知道 他以前當那個署長 我在為環委會我現在是不想害你 因為那總統說要做你現在說要評估 你是說澎湖也要評估總統是醫生出身 他對於醫療的均衡非常的重視他認為這個地方的人口數 他的醫療量能達到什麼程度他必須做到什麼程度 我們會用均衡的發展來看 |
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他已經承諾要在澎湖做了 你們不要打臉他我沒有要求什麼 我要求跟澎湖一樣公平就這樣子你不能說澎湖的立法委員是民進黨你就做吧我們會一起評估會不會因為澎湖 來來來院長 會不會因為澎湖的立委是民進黨的啊信長是民進黨的啊不會不會嘛齁我們金門都不是 民進黨就不做不會吧不會不會嘛齁所以賴總統說澎湖可以做吧都是屬於中華民國國家的領土內都是國會議員 我們同樣尊重 |
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所以在澎湖可以做在金門如果我們的條件跟他一樣就我們的人口各方面都可以他能做我們也應該要公平對不對我就求公平而已 |
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我們會從均衡來佈置台灣 建部台灣整個的醫療治癒那在這之前 因為這東西還要一段時間你們研究好久了 已經六年了在這之前是把我們後送的機制 包括後端的部分在這個相關的費用要跟我們支持送到台灣來治療或是各方面離島到台灣島來治療的時候是很辛苦的 |
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每一年你知道嗎一直要每個月來很辛苦很辛苦然後做好治療的時候做好治療的時候你還沒有飛機回家你要從早上等到晚上 |
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非常非常辛苦啊離島居民是真的很苦啊我請大家將心比心啊那我們剛剛院長有說這個都是在中華民國領土內啦範圍內你都會一致公平的待遇啦我也就很想問這個問題啊這個中華民國的領土範圍啦我不是要問你政治問題喔我先問一下這個根據我想問一個禁限制水域的問題他是在管制大陸還是在前置金門的這個漁民根據兩個人民共一條第28條的規定 |
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為什麼海委會沒有自己上來時間暫停 陳委員需要沒關係 他們不放 只要議長可以回答就好 不用他可以回答就好了 來中華民國船舶航空器等等喔中華民國船航空器或其他運輸公司經主管需關需可可以航行到大陸地區嘛 你注意聽一下這個大陸這有法律規定 請問這個大陸地區怎麼定義 |
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我們現在除了台澎金馬是中華民國領土之外屬於中華人民共和國的我們都認為它是大陸的地區那現在哪裡 |
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各個地方不一樣以金門來講的話只要在我們的禁限制水域外根據韓式的話國防部所公告的禁限制水域外因為中國就說那個是他們的領海所以那個地方被界定為是大陸地區這個是法律問題我想部長也是法律專家國防部上來一下好了 |
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你說剛剛管秉主委回答是說因為中共認為那是他們禁憲制水位是他們的中共中國大陸認為禁憲制來看一下禁憲制水位這條線讓你們有點概念 |
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金門的禁限制水域這條看一下這國防部畫的這很久以前畫他的目的當初國防部的公告民國93年他的目的是為了第五點未經許可進入限制或禁止水域之大陸船舶他是要讓大陸船不能進來我們這裡吧所以畫了這條禁限制水域好根據剛管主委的意思是說因為大陸他是說大陸認為那邊是這條線以為是他們的領海 |
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所以我們不能過去 主委你的意思是這樣子嗎你剛剛是這樣說的嗎那個是大陸地區這個的定義那以韓式而言 在金門 馬祖大陸地區的定義是依韓式是這樣的定義韓式是怎樣 說一下應該是兩岸人民關係條例的主管機關兩岸人民關係條例 韓式就是我想知道金門跟馬祖的線就是在國防部公告的限制水域外 |
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這樣規定你告訴我你把法律告訴我哪一條我很想知道是哪一條這是一個函式對不起是一個函式你唸給我聽哪一個函式你唸給我函式我再把文字跟你講一下你要確定你說的是對的因為我有查相關資料 |
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你唸一下那個韓式的內容給我民國法務部八十九年法務部有一個韓式但是以金門馬祖而言國防部的這個韓式我們根據國防部的這個限制你把韓式內容唸清楚一點法務部有一個韓式你說什麼我們對於一般的漁民 |
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不會擾民那基本上基本上這個總共的案例一百幾百個移民沒有沒有沒有幾百個錯了錯了沒有沒有沒有沒有我們查的資料總共一百一十一年到現在最多的是在COVID-19的時候因為我們比較嚴因為我們要避免 |
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那個時候比較嚴所以那個時候只有99個人總共才17艘船總共才17艘船妳講這麼細 總院長聽不懂來 我們先全部都是走私來 如果走私我幫妳以後九艘 |
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去年有九騷跟九案全部都是走私你等一下喔如果走私我絕對不會包庇請你用力抓對 我們最主要就是你先不要插嘴我把它講完在2013年9月以後全部都是走私你不要插嘴我把它講完如果走私請用走私條例去辦他們你們現在辦的這些人可是議區兩岸人民關係條例有兩岸人民關係條例你先聽我講一下好嗎 |
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法律懲治人民罪行法定主義你要由他違法嘛如果走私你就用走私去辦他百分之一百贊成走私辦走私來聽我講完聽我講我要說你錯錯在哪裡走私你用走私辦今天這一百多位你聽我講完好不好你聽我講我要聽主席他一直不讓我講話差我時間我時間還給他多留五分鐘時間暫停 |
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你聽我講 我是要讓院長了解這個情形嘛我沒有說海委會做了什麼事情不對或是對嘛我們在談討 我在談的是法律問題我開始 你先聽我講法律問題但是事實也很重要 委員的那個印象故詐部長在這裡他是律師出身如果他違反走私 你用走私條例辦他嘛你們現在辦的全部都是叫做什麼 違反兩岸人民關係條例辦嘛 |
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如果他要走私 你用走私狀態應該的 百分之一千應該的那他違反聯安條約的原因是什麼你們的 我跟你講法院啊 地檢啊 或是各方原因的理由是什麼 因為他說我們舉法你先聽我講完好嗎 可不可以不要插嘴我要讓院長了解這情形 我想讓你們整個跨部會去了解這個情形因為你們說 跳過那條禁憲之水 就是 |
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就是走出去嘛 就是違反兩岸聯盟條例那我請顧議長 這是你們國防部 國防部長對嘛 你聽我講 未經許可進入大陸地區嘛好這個禁限之水域劃定是國防部劃的 他當初的目的是要未經許可進入禁限之水域之大陸船舶 他是要不讓大陸船進入到我們金門的禁限之水域不是不要讓金門的船劃定之線 不讓我們出去啊如果金門營要補營的話 現在都這樣子 |
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不用啊 開一開 魚魚油車超出那條線就不能補了如果這樣兩岸人民關係條例要修掉你聽我講完 我有看你先不要講 因為我最後還是要讓你們去研究我請顧部長看 這個是國防部公告他是 他要處罰是大陸傳播不是台灣地區拍風接馬的人他的處罰主體是大陸傳播好 第二個 你們處罰的理由你們處罰的理由是說 |
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違反兩岸人民關係條例根據兩岸人民關係條例第29條這個是規定禁止大陸的傳播管大陸不能進來好 那出去的部分呢他們處罰來 處罰是原因觸犯第28條28條就是說這個28條是違反兩岸人民關係條例第28條28條在這裡28條說的就是說 |
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大陸地區嗎你剛剛說的嗎金門的漁民如果出海捕魚用這條啦你們海巡用這條辦如果金門的漁民或是用那個觀光釣魚船的那種觀光船出去你們就說因為他們都跟著魚跑嘛那魚如果跑過那條線喔你看一下28條中華民國船舶什麼點點點要經過主管區那個部長顧長請你看一下他是經過主管區關係的德航行到大陸地區嗎好那現在就這些船 |
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還有會認為說這些漁民沒有經過許可所以他們走到大澳地區所以我剛才問說你先聽我講完我才問說那大澳地區的定義在哪裡嘛大澳地區是你管碧玲定義說這條線以內是台灣地區那條線以外是大澳地區嗎不是我定義的我們根據韓式不是我定義的我們根據韓式就是每一個法律在適用的時候他必須要進入很多第一個我麻煩你我們要從他的適用 |
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對 你聽我講 因為你這樣一直搶 我沒有辦法把它敘述很清楚好不好因為我特別請國安部長上來的原因是因為這樣的事情 因為你這樣子 如果齁我認為齁 如果沒有藍營議會委員說是我定義你聽我講完什麼地區 中華民國領土到哪裡 不是你定義好不好這個東西有一個叫做中華民國的有一個法律的 這個叫做 |
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臨海及臨街區法這個也不是你說的算也不是我說的算這是有法律的請按照法律行事嘛你要處罰人民你要法律嘛我想請問齁而且你剛剛一直說走私你用走私辦他我完全不反對問題是今天不同的犯行不同的犯行依不同的法律來處理所以你剛剛不要扯到走私走私你一定要抓我跟你講你開到大陸地區同時也有兩岸人民關係條例的問題 |
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113年以後到現在只有9個案 |
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100多個案子沒有 那個是在COVID-19的時候我們真的必須研究因為要禁止接觸這個案子為什麼會到我們的澄清案上就是因為他已經有100多個案子而且你再說一次在COVID-19期間比較多總共就是99加999加9 100多個 |
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但是如果我們的取締不對主管機關不會裁罰那如果我們所做的依法主管機關認為我們必須不做所以你覺得這是主管機關所以我才說這個是法律問題我們是期待執法的請你等一下你在執行嘛所以院長我今天要特別請您跟部長上來因為是光復這個我想 |
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請你們回去你們回去告訴我因為我們時間很早我要跟你們探討這個問題第一個禁縣之所以就是我們的大陸地區跟台灣地區的這個交界嗎是金門跟馬祖但是在其他的地方就不是這樣了委員你先聽我講完我要問院長然後我要請你回答因為這整個問題不是一個問題我把問題問完好嗎我會讓你回答好嗎我會讓你回答 |
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我讓你回答 用韓文來回答我第一個問題 這個大陸地區是你說韓式吧 請給我嘛我也歡迎你給我嘛 這個沒問題問題是這個大陸地區跟台灣地區的這個分界是由一個韓式或者由一個部會來決定嗎這個是第一個問題 這是法律問題 |
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第二個有一個法律如果有一個法律當地的老百姓這麼多人不停的在違法我不是說走私喔沒有沒有聽我講一百多個一百多件案子還不多那個COVID-19的時候我們真的必須要執法來避免接觸跟傳染但是那之後我們沒有對一般的漁民造成擾民我跟你講你說沒有齁到時候我請漁民來開會你們來你也來開會就知道有多少漁民的反應了 |
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如果這麼多人會違法 今天沒有那麼多移民啊今天沒有這麼多人會違法 我們是不是要考慮到這個法律的適用上面發生了什麼問題 您了解嗎法律也是與時俱進 我們來請主管機關回答你可以不要講 我請院長回答好嗎我要請院長回答 剩下沒有幾秒鐘第一個就是說 這個 |
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淨限制水域他應該是限制當大陸船不要來我們這裡你怎麼先把漁民限制把我們台灣地區的漁民限制不能出海捕魚呢如果你不要回來主席我一直不要讓他一直回來我是要跟院長講你這樣浪費我時間麻煩不要搶稿要搶完嘛請繼續我沒有要件你現在回來你也不用一直爭辯我也沒說你做錯好不好研究法律嘛因為我們今天就是要我們要時間就是要給那個院長來跟我們回答嘛 |
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這一個 研究一下這個法律是限制大陸人不要進來不是限制我們的漁民不能出海去捕魚啊漁遊出這條線他就不能撞第二個 第二個如果這麼多人一直違反這個法律那這個是不是在法律的適用或是解釋或是各方面上是不是要做適當的改變呢我剛剛聽到委員說我如果我們出去的漁船也會被大陸逮捕嗎當然啊所以我們要保護它 |
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麻煩行政院把陳玉珍委員要求的資料麻煩送一下陳玉珍委員辦公室好 非常謝謝陳玉珍委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 |