| IVOD_ID |
164940 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164940 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T18:23:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T18:49:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:25:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee73761948dc91d4cdaf09c9dade872f248844316b578266c30a3124f39f2b1c0f1c420776665bfc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:23:17 - 18:49:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席好 請到院長麻煩再請主席院長備詢 |
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葉委員好院長好剛王世堅委員非常慷慨激昂他講到我們都過度保護加害人人權犧牲的被害人權今天我要跟院長一開始先談一個我覺得類似的狀況在校園裡面我覺得我們過度的保護欺負其他同學的學生的 |
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受教權而忽略了有一些很想好好讀書的學生的受教權我們先來看今天有一個這兩天有一個案例新北市有一個國小的學生四年級那他轉學在原來的學校打老師欺負同學後來呢經過協調家長把他轉到另外一個學校結果轉到那個學校第一天也是有類似的狀況就也是姚老師 |
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然後在一個月內對老師肢體攻擊對同學也是一樣甚至有女學生被欺負到邊吐邊哭這是最近的狀況但因為他必須要留在學校教育局好像有把他安排到教會去但是一下又回來這是國小的案例其實在國中跟高中也有類似的狀況在這半年來起碼我看到就好幾件有一件國中的 |
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國中的老師制止學生抽菸就被揮拳高中的部分也是很誇張有兩個高中生只是因為老師管教他他不服就毆打老師把老師打得頭破血流然後這兩個學生在學校也是頭痛人物小霸王記了八九之大過一樣在學校 |
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那當然是對老師跟對同學都會產生很大的影響那這個有一個兩年前的案例我不知道院長還記不記得也是在新北市土城發生的國三生的歌喉案那這個殺人的學生原本也是在一間國中然後後來也是被藉很多之大過轉學到另外一個學校結果在那個學校就發生了歌喉事件然後有一個很優秀的學生就不幸上升那我一直在想說這個問題到底要怎麼解決 |
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因為很多學生他留在學校他其實就不想在學校讀書然後常常影響別人影響老師 影響同學甚至於被記八九 剛剛講八九次大過我有看過記十幾次大過的都繼續留在學校那跟我們以前受教育環境不一樣我不知道院長讀書的時期是不是跟我一樣我們以前三個大過就退學了所以大家對於記過 |
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不管是小過大過警告其實都還蠻在意的因為大家都想要留在學校可是現在已經完全沒有任何的嚇阻力所以有些學生還以被記大過記的多為榮會覺得反正你也拿了不能拿我怎麼樣老師也懶得記了老師記大過不僅是達不到任何的效果而且還會自己要寫報告 |
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之前在教育文化委員會的時候我有跟部長建議我說我們應該要成立類似的一種中介的教育組織今天我也去盤點了我們現在現有的中介教育組織譬如說像中途學校中途學校是針對被害人這不是我們要討論的範圍然後像有合作式中途班資源式中途班還有像慈輝班 |
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這些都是屬於針對中輟生但中輟生他不見得他離開學校再回來他不一定會影響到其他同學跟老師因為他可能是因為就是不想讀書但他不會影響到別人那可能回來之後怕會跟不上所以先去中途翻這也不是我們今天要討論的狀況那高官懷班也不是我們今天要討論的狀況唯一有一點點類似的是矯正學校矯正學校就是如果你在學校有犯法了然後你就可以 |
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送到矯正學校去譬如說像敦平中學、城鎮中學、麗智中學跟名陽中學這些學校可是我們今天要處理的學生是那種還沒有殺人或甚至還沒有犯很嚴重的違規的情況之下他已經在學校嚴重干擾別人而且被記了很多次大過 |
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這個狀況我認為是要解決的因為現在在學校等一下我們會跟院長討論就是缺老師的問題其實某種程度老師的心情也會受到這樣的一個沒有管教權的影響所以院長你聽了我剛剛講這個狀況你覺得這算不算是在教育裡面一個急需解決的問題 |
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是的或許他的因素來自於課業家庭或是交友給他不同的壓力也有可能是他本身心理上的狀況所以我們一直主張也是已經在做這種心理輔導的年齡層要往下降15歲以下的就是因為這些都已經在效應無效了 |
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所以才會變這個狀況嘛這個是我們現在的機制那你提到的那些事所矯正學家那可能必須在刑法之後那中間有一段空檔那中間有一段空檔這段空檔要如何比拼起來一方面啦院長我跟你講其實我幫你我想到一個方法啦我有跟部長討論過因為今天您在啦這個絕對跟政治無關的所以希望您可以來支持 |
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就是我覺得可以找一些很有教育理念的然後的教育的一些民間協會由他來辦理這種類似中繼組織或中繼學校譬如說我就強烈推薦人本基金會因為人本基金會對教育很有理想用愛的教育用感化的又很有理念然後常常他們的訴求就是說沒有 |
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教不好的學生只有不會教的老師所以面對那些就真的會去影響其他同學的那些學生還不到犯法的時候我們先把他請他去交給人本基金會他辦的學校讓人本基金會好好的愛你的教育 |
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然後一方面人本可以發揮所長去感化他們另外一方面這些學生他可以繼續受教育然後在學校裡面想好好讀書的同學還有想好好教書的老師也可以暫時得到喘息 |
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我不知道院長跟你提這個建議你覺得怎麼樣部長那時候是覺得還可以啦我相信社會上不乏這種教育基金會或是關懷的團體組織那如果他本身內裡面有這樣的一個專業的人員我們施以一個共同的一個共識之後我們可以朝這個方向來想也許可以讓他到一個任何的地方去一個森林學校或是什麼學校讓他 |
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接觸不同的環境接觸不同的交友這真的很重要再跟部長再討論一下而且這是很急迫的問題因為我接下來要跟你討論另外一件事情就是我認為也是國安危機我們現在都在講少子化國安危機現在已經少子化 |
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就現在老師 缺老師 你應該知道這個狀況吧教育一個很重要的支柱 就是老師那如果學校現在連老師都找不到的話那要怎麼教育 所以老師的問題我覺得是重中之重 一定要解決那老師為什麼會缺呢 除了待遇之外其實部長不錯啦 他有去找 他有發現就是有一個是校事會議院長應該不知道什麼是校事會議嘛 應該是不曉得啦 |
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沒關係 這個應該是不曉得反正他就是說校士會議就是說老師很容易被檢舉檢舉之後就要進入校士會議那因為之前很多都是人家有濫訴濫訴之後老師明明就沒有怎麼樣然後就被叫去調查一調查四個月 四個月而且很多是匿名的 主觀的那現在教育部已經要把它修正法律了嘛變成匿名或沒有具體事項的是不能夠檢舉這件事情不錯可是還有另外一件事情就是其實很多老師很不平是說 |
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被莫名其妙亂檢舉像我上次有舉一個例子有一個網紅老師他因為在網路上常常發表跟教育有關的文章因為寫得很好所以很多人關注結果他就被莫名其妙檢舉說他有收業配他沒有收啊但是他就被送到校制會議裡面然後接下來好幾個月他要自己證明他沒有收業配那我們的刑法一般是無罪推定嘛 |
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如果說要控告人家的人要舉證但是在校事會議裡面是有罪推定變成老師要自己證明自己沒有做這個事有時候還要花錢請律師所以我那個院長你會不會覺得校事會議很不合理你如果把這個問題改革了我跟你講很多老師會謝謝你 |
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這舉證責任的這件事情我覺得應該比較要符合現在啊在形式上面的依據比較好雖然不是那麼嚴謹應該要這樣子你沒有做的事情無法舉證你要證明別人做的事情我自己沒有做的事情我沒有辦法舉證的意思一樣所以如果是這樣的話 朝這個方向感謝委員關心事實上我們在這一段時間一直對校士會也提出了很多的具體的在未來的一個 |
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因為當時校士會的通過本來是針對不適任的教師他的行為已經違反到專業的一些承諾跟專業的一個行為的規範已經達到被解聘不續聘的這樣一個程度才進入校士會 |
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可是後來因為這個法令一執行以後大大小小全部都進校事會議所以我們也在年底之前也跟委員之前也在許多場合我們大概都公開承諾我們希望校事會議有許多的一些改善的一個方向也讓老師能夠更安心專心的來留在學校來指導我們學生第一個就是說不要爛數碼你剛剛講的第二個是調查的過程當中應該是無罪推定 |
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而不是說有老師一直在證明說自己無罪只要沒有涉及到等於說我們第一個會先判斷沒有涉及到這一個老師已經行為違反到解聘不續聘的這個階段他事實上就直接可能需要的是一個簡單的一個提醒或者班級經營上的這一個 |
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提醒或者甚至他有一些行為是本來我們考核規範裡邊他是要進入到比如說他可能被申請或者被記過或者怎麼樣擇期他教學的改善今天沒有很多時間跟你講反正我是希望這是一個改革的方向而且這是一定要做的事情不然薛老師會越來越嚴重因為我聽到太多的資深老師就跟一些這個甚至考上教師證的那個學弟妹講說不要來這個行業了 |
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這個行業現在對老師很不友善把老師當賊啦如果說你被送到校士會議的話調查四個月會很難受啦很多人打退堂鼓這我還沒有講到待遇的問題啦光是教師環境我剛剛先講一個現在學生有時候對老師不禮貌打老師的啦老師沒有管教權的啦再來就是校士會議啦這都應該要解決啦然後還有我上一次總質詢的時候有針對校園安全其實剛剛我們講那個也是校園安全的問題 |
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有跟院長提過我們現在國中因為也謝謝教育部今年真的有增加國中有增加一個校安人員確實是有但是我覺得比例跟高中差很多因為高中是六個班一個現在國中是六十班一個但我覺得校園安全的部分應該高中跟國中同等重要 |
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所以這部分是不是今年至少也再增加一個我們每一年往前推進讓我們校園安全更獲得重視院長可以嗎錢的問題對不對那我給你看一下我們現在那個我們現在看一下教育經費你看一下我們這幾年教育經費佔GDP的比例是越來越低2020年是4.71然後逐年遞減 |
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你看到2021 4.56到2024年已經是4.2那我真的覺得你在編總預算的時候教育應該多花一點我們很重視國防這個我們當然沒有意見國防現在你已經增加到3.32了以前沒那麼高現在增加3.32之後你會到更高據說不是有一個特別預算還要編到一兆三千億那教育經費能不能編多一點 |
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其實我們每年的經費都是往上調但是因為總計算的規模放大但是我們還是符合憲法的精神院長我跟你說現在因為 |
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我們大家等於是人民委託您去管理這個政府做資源的分配把收來的錢這麼多做一個分配你重視什麼哪個部分就會多一點以我們現在中華民國政府來講就是最重視國防所以國防的錢是最多的而且是多很多可是教育我覺得也應該是同等重要社會福利的預算也是相當多至少我們秀出來的數據在GDP的部分就是越來越 |
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越來越遞減其實我真的認為教育局面可以多一點如果講國安 當然國防是國安的一環教育也是沒有好的教育 沒有好的老師沒有足夠的老師我們的生產力我們的教育程度都會受到影響 |
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所以這個錢不能省啊教育是培養人才的根本對你也知道嘛所以校園裡面的環境說友善之外我覺得尊師這個教育還是要把它重新的貫注到學生身上尊師當然一部分就是校園環境改善另外一部分就是你要給人家應有待遇啊有時候老師也不是覺得說好像我差這一點錢而是一種尊重嘛 |
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這個我們近期會來做考 減少剛剛講的那個校園安全 校園能力啦是不是可以再規劃一下我們今年已經有起碼增加一個嘛現在一個 現在一個就是六十班一個 六十班一個市長 院長也一直都非常關心也要我們提一些因應這個整個學校老師或者社會的一個發展的一個挑戰怎麼樣去支持學校的一個教育的一個 |
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很好很好 我覺得這是非常良性的溝通啊那如果是這樣的話 那校安的人力幫我們增加好不好 這個今天如果沒辦法立刻答覆看是不是可以一個月給我們一個回覆好不好請教育部再來綜合考量未來的實施的如果針對那個校安人力的部分啦校安人力的部分一個月給我們一個篇幅OKOK 那你就一起然後再來喔 還有一個啦老師缺老師之外 現在學校裡面也缺行政職啦 |
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我跟院長跟部長報告一個我聽說一個學校狀況有個公立高中他們組長行政的一個組長一般的組長的招聘是這樣先找正式老師來兼那正式老師如果不願意兼的話就找代理老師那第一次招生第二次招聘的代理老師呢要有教師證的那如果都招聘不到的話呢你就開放給有大學學歷的就可以來做那他即便是不是學教育的就可以來做 |
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那一個高中呢後來就是因為都招不到所以後來就聘了一個有大學學歷的來做那個組長結果做了一個月發現學校環境跟他想的完全不一樣就離開了結果後來又招聘另外一位一樣的也是一個月就離開現在也是第三位那我覺得比較很特別的狀況就是實際上學校裡面各組的 |
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有一些幹事公務人員他是教育行政公務人員他可能在那邊已經十幾二十年了很資深啊他對於一個大學剛畢業的年輕人來說他絕對是比較熟悉業務的結果他他要當他們的部署然後是由那個剛畢業的來當他的主管 |
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這就是因為體制的限制就是我們把他限制住了就是說組長一定要有老師來兼任那我當然我也知道說你有你的考量是說有一些組是不是應該要有教學經驗的人來兼任行政職可能對於學校一些規劃會比較妥善可是問題是我剛剛講那個狀況跟你們實際上的理想是有很大的落差 |
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所以現在學校大家不願兼行政當然也有很多的問題第一個是可能行政佳績也很低那要做的工作很多然後再來就是大家真的沒有那個意願所以我這邊有具體幾個建議這個人事行政總署那個人事長也可以上來第一個請人事長 |
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第一像我剛講那個狀況幹事你就可以由幹事直接來監來代理組長了嘛那你會說那幹事不夠啊學校繼續開缺啊開教育人員的教育行政缺嘛這第一件事情嘛第二個就是 |
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我們把那個學校裡面的行政加級提高啊因為現在行政院為了要平衡中央跟地方的那個直系 那個值等嘛對不對 所以不是要提高地方政府的值等嘛院長你應該知道吧因為大部分的公務人員都跑到中央去嘛因為值等差很多嘛 |
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那同樣道理如果我們希望把人才留在學校的話那學校行政職職等也可以提高啊我們現在國小的校長職等還九職等欸九職等大概就是科長在公務機關就科長高中是十職等才是檢任的第一階段而已你如果把職等提高第一個他公務人員的位階提高了第二個行政家級也提高嘛 |
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還有一個就是還有一個建議 具體建議就是如果學校裡面有一些組長他不必然一定要教學經驗的人來兼比如他跟課程規劃或教學無關的你開放給公務人員教育行政的來做我舉例來講 比如說資訊室比如說健康組 |
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這一種有一些你一定可以盤點出來那些是跟教學無關的那你就開放給公務員來做那又讓老師專心去授課而行政的部分就由專業有數的公務員來兼而且是他的經驗可以累積的不會換來換去的那我覺得多多少少可以解決現在行政大逃亡問題這個部分先請院長回答一下吧 |
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先講一下 我再做原則說明沒有沒有 院長你聽一下因為我剛剛是因為我跟你講 有的下面的原則是我是認為說看現在的制度如何啦 |
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那在學校裡面的行政人員他或許跟教學有關無關可是另外一個他會不會跟學生直接接觸有關那這個如果有關的話你剛剛講的健康如果跟學生直接接觸有關他可能需要有一些所以我的意思是說你們去盤點因為那個制度已經僵化了他太久沒有改變都一直嚴格嘛 |
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一直沿用嘛然後我們現在遇到的問題嘛那我有沒有看到政府去解決嘛所以我才提出我的想法出來那我不是說你一定要每一個都像譬如說院長你盤點之後你覺得這個一定要老師我沒有意見可是總有一些行政職是可以由公務人員來做的那就讓老師專心去教書對我的意思是這樣我覺得你這構想你今天還覺得怎麼樣 |
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我就可以考慮 那人事長說明一下那個 謝謝委員那委員事實上在前天也跟我們指教那我也答應那時候你就說你要找教育部啊然後之前我問教育部教育部說要找人事總處啊那今天總質詢剛好院長在嘛所以院長剛好就可以大家就可以一起來把這個問題來解決啊就不用推來推去了嘛 |
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我們會一起解決啦那也答應委員我們在一個月以內先把我們盤點的這些第一個階段的資料提供給委員參考因為委員裡面提的有些東西我是覺得可行嘛那我們針對某些部分我們看要如何來進行 |
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因為這裡面還有牽涉一個部分是屬於地方政府要引起我們第二階段再跟地方政府溝通你們政策訂出來如果覺得該做的就要去跟地方政府協調啦不是說任市長跟教育部長推來推去然後中央跟地方推來推去那教育的問題永遠都存在我們現在是要解決問題因為任市長上次就說要找教育部 |
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然後我之前講教育部 教育部說要找人事總署然後現在說中央 我們要找地方那問題就永遠存在我們最好就大家坐下來一起把問題解決啦好沒關係 我已經得到人事長的承諾了那院長在旁邊有聽到嘛所以這個事情你也認可嘛 |
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他們去部長跟人事長去談一談為現在的制度怎麼去改善其實我覺得這個層級要拉到行政院層級因為這個問題現在很嚴重因為講真的除了國防那些你比較重視的事情之外教育希望你多花點心思去關心最後該決定的時候我會做決定因為這個問題很嚴重這個不是也可能你平常沒有在注意這一塊因為教育比較沒有那麼政治性但是你關心一下我覺得大家會很感謝你 |
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然後再來就是行政委員為什麼現在不願意做因為行政莫名其妙的工作太多啊所以要做到行政減量這個提醒啦那我也建議啦有很多像有些不該老師做的事情應該可以找別的資源比如說交通導護應該可以讓老師免件這個部分一併考慮好不好好不好就是行政減量啦公文報告 |
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我對這一個事實上還有討論的空間因為就小學老師來講 |
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其實我們的國民教育裡面的目標教育目標很清楚 得志體群美也就是說我們教小孩子不是只有學科知識我們怎麼樣讓他養成良好的習慣還有怎麼樣跟人家同學溝通很多的一些人際的互動很多的良好的習慣很棒啦 這個都很棒啦理想我都很支持啦但是理想很豐滿 現實很無感啦很棒 沒有人做不好但是要真的問題我們都提出來都是具體的問題 |
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具體問題要解決啦講口號好啦我知道我都知道我都知道我們一起來努力啦然後接下來我來看一下因為剩下時間不多那個院長跟你請教一下最近經濟部說要推一個叫做什麼商務會展卡這個東西我覺得非常奇怪他是說如果說有來參加會展的人呢 |
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1424.995 |
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會給他一個悠遊卡然後裡面會儲值兩千塊然後這兩千塊就等同現金他可以拿去搭車然後可以拿去超商買東西百貨公司購物啊還可以去餐廳吃東西還可以景點門票都可以這個方案我先問院長一個問題你覺得一個商務人士來台灣他花不花得到兩千塊 |
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1445.091 |
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這不是他花不花的而已這是代表我們在推升內需當中把觀光列為一個重大的產業當中辦理國際性的會議跟展覽他們來之後我們給他有一種重視他 歡迎他的感覺那我去美國假設我們去日本去他怎麼都沒有給我兩千塊 |
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1451.486 |
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他們也有不同的機制各國都有不同的機制啊一般來講外國的人他們到我們這邊參加會展一定都花到兩千塊嘛絕對超過兩千塊我這邊有數據啊 |
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等一下我還沒講完他一定收兩千塊那你現在你給他這兩千塊讓他去吃東西你讓他去買東西其實你就只是把比如美國人他把他花的錢變成我們台灣人幫他花而已嘛這個促成不了任何的經濟效益啦就好比說我今天比如我去日本部長我還沒有講完好不好不要打岔好不好 你不要心虛 |
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我去日本 我本來花我自己的錢啊我要花兩千塊 結果日本 我一去日本就給我兩千塊我就太高興了啊日本人給我錢 我花他們的錢我沒有刺激到 我沒有幫助那邊的經濟效益啊 |
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所以當然來這邊就要讓他們花他們的錢啊怎麼會台灣人編預算給他們錢讓他們來花呢我們希望他搭乘我們的交通工具去到我們適合他來消費的地方來刺激他我跟你講你2000塊是他就是把他原本要花拿來扣而已啦哪一個外國人來這邊不會用到2000塊我是用小的金額來讓他多留一天2000塊他會多留喔你不要開玩笑好不好你不要開玩笑了啦這個政策啊就是亂花錢各國對於觀光客 |
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好謝謝月圓之委員的質詢謝謝左院長各相關部會所長備詢 |