| IVOD_ID |
164891 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164891 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T10:31:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T10:42:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f00e79754476bd2c28ad0f4389371b7337b7858943a6a9958c9b606aef97113c26b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:12 - 10:42:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「900萬國際旅客達標情形及旅宿業歇業缺工情形振興改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「配合賴清德總統所提『國家希望工程』與『觀光立國2030年觀光兆元產業』等目標如何務實達成」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 又請林次長好 次長請那現在觀光署是副署長來嗎陳署長也有到陳玉秀沒有 不方便坐著有必要的時候發一個麥克風啦因為有時候問到問題你要自我去回答所以可以這個來說好 首先問一下次長好了因為今天部長也沒來啊委員長你們到底關不關心這個觀光產業 |
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官方很重要就派你來嘛因為你是這個陸海空也是屬於空的我也不知道請問一下到底今年九百萬的目標現在達標的信心是怎麼樣包委員還在積極努力中我們到九月底二十七號是破六百萬人次 |
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那依照目前的資訊10月26大概到667萬次所以有信心有努力的目標前面九個月前面三季目前你們統計是605萬事實上每一季大概是202萬如果以這個數字來估算的話你最後一季因為現在馬上就剩兩個月了我覺得不見可以達標但我要講一下我的心得 |
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那尤其我們的署長是來自企業界其實我們當時我們部長用企業人才我個人是覺得期待真的很期待因為為什麼呢企業帶進來的企業精神其實企業精神很重KPI也很重我們的一個績效當然在公務機關我們不是以利潤為一個中心但是肯定有它的一個績效但如果在一般企業績效沒有達標一年沒達標 |
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兩年沒達標其實是草就走人了沒有在這邊機會說第二年我們決定了今年900萬不達目標我再問你報告委員明年我們800萬我們還努力我們這個國家觀光可以這樣的這麼多人才可以這樣繼續搞去年我們從1200萬聽到 |
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1000萬 最後785萬左右那今年呢 又從1000萬開始聽那署長來的時候他很誠實嘛他說目標900萬那現在呢 看樣子也不能達標我不知道啦 因為今天整個政府其實是面對國人啊你們所有的錢都是國民電腦納稅的錢在你們身上大家期待的尤其這些觀光產業如果這樣的持續在全世界 |
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大部分旅遊這個觀光都已經超越起飛的一個階段尤其很多我們熟悉的國家可是我們還在很努力的想辦法說明我們為什麼不行其他國家就是用人數用產業來代表他行我覺得這個差距太大 |
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好 我想請教一下 那署長你坐在那邊也可以回答因為這是一個延續性的問題10月8號 距離現在3個禮拜那時候特別把13個風景區那個副署長你也可以回答副署長 因為你做過兩三個風景區的署長嘛你兩邊都做過 你知道我們在談的是什麼 |
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第一個不光是桃園今天就完整目前你13個國家風景區全部涵蓋沒有涵蓋到的有五個縣市台北桃園新竹嘉義以及金門縣我一併來講不要光講桃園好了那你說這個有什麼好講的呢那就風景管理處風景區的預算反正這麼少 |
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所以今天各位看一下就114年的單位預算就是我到底在說什麼就是你們觀光署的錢是償付於國家風景管理處你的55.2億的預算其中13個風管處就分掉了61%六成就在這裡所以你說我們沒有被列到的縣市要不要去關心我當然要關心啊 |
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第二個早期風景管理處的時候你說他是一個比較特殊的單位特殊單位因為全國只有兩個三個他要特別照顧可是當國家已經發展到九成的縣市八成的縣市全面都是風景管理區我告訴你道館要特別照顧的是那沒有列入的副市長你覺得呢 |
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但是這些錢都不會把這五個縣市列入 你覺得這樣公平嗎對於國家的資源 |
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報告委員有關就是成立風景區的部分我們有相關程序在走但對於就是沒有列入的部分事實上我們在有些特別預算的部分會由這些像桃園的部分之前我們針對石門水庫事實上也協助了很多預算去整理石門水庫所以就算是沒有列在內那我們觀光圈的部分事實上就是要去彌補有些沒有在風景區裡面去整合這些沒有在風景區裡面的這些縣市的部分這些石樹我知道了 |
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就是我們這五個縣市沒有納到你60%的預算跟我們無關但是呢 我們還是會施捨你我們還是會幫忙你憑什麼啊你現在這國家的預算是桃園人 台北人 新竹人是沒有納稅你們注入了33.7億在13個國家風景區啊我當然不是說針對數啦這個制度其實也不是你們訂的可是在這樣的 你去檢討喔從過去保障少數的國家風景區給它支援 |
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現在已經多到普遍到只有五個縣市他不屬於這個部分我覺得當時的一個規劃應該要好好去思考這個問題不然你們這個署長也說他在帶動這個國家觀光的一個策略的時候老師的車拉的有五個縣市沒有動因為他拉的是13個國家風雨區這樣的是不行的所以署長你可以在原地回答一下嗎因為當天部長是說 |
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他也覺得他也覺得這可以努力所以他說他會馬上跟地方政府一起來努力現在三個禮拜目前的狀況是如何我們現在問題是有針對像北橫的部分嘛對不對是指說其他地方五個五個國家嗎五個縣市嗎 |
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好好好 你休息吧反正問題已經問了10月8號部長的回答是說確實 61%的預算跟這些縣市都無關因為有 說真的那這樣覺得很奇怪他也覺得說這個部分我們看是不是用其他地方來補足我們希望在下次的時候能夠有具體的一個答案不光是對桃園那再來 |
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好吧如果說不贏我們策略是這樣說不贏講不贏打不贏那我就參加你們的隊伍了好不好那我們這個桃園也申請北橫國家風景區嘛我們也想參加嘛變成第14個國家風景區嘛這也弄了很久了嘛那這樣的好不好次長你說一下你支不支持啊北橫這麼漂亮你支不支持啊 |
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包委員他的特色跟條件如果能納入應該是沒有問題現在就是說依照程序他必須要跟原住民部落會議要溝通那所以目前還在程序中是好的 |
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國家級的風景區這如果通過的話是由國家所以你要以國家的視野來看這個區塊在整個北台灣是一個非常重要的它確實是一個國家級的景點這是事實山川這麼漂亮它的點也這麼多自然的景觀它早就在本位上風景管理其實它本質早就符合了 |
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但是因為第一個他跨了三個縣市包括新北宜蘭桃園那你們不出來幫忙一下你們不出來幫忙一下很多事情扣在一起很難第二個確實部落會議所以我們希望園民會也能來加入幫忙這個部分是不是請次長跟我們署長副署長回去來關心這個議題看看哪裡可以來協助可以嗎 |
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我們會全力來瞭解那目前6月2號我們觀光署邀請評鑑委員那原則上這個部落會議只要同意大概就可以納入現在就部落會議我還要跟原民會我是建議部落會議的時候麻煩你們副本行文也請原民會 |
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他來協助啦 好不好 幫忙一下桃園市政府 還有一些部落是宜蘭的大家一起地方政府來追著配合 好不好來努力 希望有進度那最後 本來要問署長好啦 就簡單的講 今天拿到你們的一個報告觀光署的一個報告 因為我們 |
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真的今天很多的呂素月從大概這個月初打電話給我很多相關的問題結果我也看到你們也有注意到這個問題你們報告特別講呂素月 歇業圈工你們振興改善的一個計畫我特別把你們的重點列出來一二三四五我就不重新念了 |
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呂素月缺工到方寬實習生包括這個李外的喬外生我們都有看到可是我就覺得很奇怪寫這報告的是副處長嗎副處長這報告誰寫的是哪一個處寫的還是哪一個科寫的寫的真的還不錯是哪一個哪一個科寫的舉手一下誰寫的你寫的嗎同仁寫的我的天啊 |
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我的意思說 你寫了這麼多你有沒有注意到你寫的年度坦白講 我們半年聽你我們這次專案報告 我們要最新的資料我們要署長 現在上任四個月他最新的一個政策 他自己的政策你不要告訴我歷史上的我們做了什麼事情你自己看喔 從112年到最後一條130年10月你看右邊 現在放出來給你看 |
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第一條張錫聰 周永輝 局長 署長他們認定第二條一樣第三條張錫聰完成了政策第四條周永輝第五條周永輝不 你寫這個報告給我我就覺得不是不行 |
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可是在中間來講我們的署長我們現在的一個部長在今年度我們不然每年給你預算幹嘛我明年給你預算做什麼你說我還要怎麼樣去做所以我是建議我們署長也好部長也好未來除了這些歷史上的你自己署長你新的署長你在每一個政策你都要具體可行的目標讓大家有感來努力好不好 |
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跟委員報告就是署長努力就是放寬外籍技術工的部分因為今天才核定所以來不及更新 今天核定好今天嘛好我們希望你真的要努力其實產業界很辛苦謝謝好謝謝 |