| IVOD_ID |
164886 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164886 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T09:33:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T09:48:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f008c6a0b4209a79af6d0f4389371b7337b7858943a6a9958c97928a3d90b696a425ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:19 - 09:48:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「900萬國際旅客達標情形及旅宿業歇業缺工情形振興改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「配合賴清德總統所提『國家希望工程』與『觀光立國2030年觀光兆元產業』等目標如何務實達成」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請次長跟觀光署署長好 林次長還有陳署長好 次長署長 剛聽了快三十分鐘這個美化的數字啦 但我們還是要看一下實際的問題我先請教次長跟署長 最近一次我們非公務的觀光旅遊是在哪邊 國內還是國外去哪裡 |
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非公務啊 非公務啊總是有放假嗎 我們十月放了三次的三天連假有沒有出去走走國內嘛 國內 國內到處有啦 國外沒有 去了哪裡國內就是周邊山區周邊山區 沒有過夜連市長都不過夜了 那我們怎麼有辦法帶動國旅 來 署長我們要負責孰運 好 來 署長 |
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我上任之後應該沒有所謂自己的時間沒有所謂自己的時間應該是週六日都是公務行程好 那有在哪裡有去旅遊過夜過嗎最近一次是上個禮拜去台東台東 OK好 署長上任多久了 |
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6月27號的現在將近四個月四個月嘛好那其實本席今天為什麼會排這個專案報告我們重點還是要面對問題才能解決問題通篇沒有看到我們現在的問題如果說外國人或說一般不知道的人看到我們今天的報告還以為我們今天今年的觀光順差 |
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旺盛但事實是去年我們觀光逆差差了將近900萬人那到目前為止1到9月我們現在觀光逆差有多少目前的觀光逆差確實還是有在慢慢還是有在成長大概是1比2點多是吧現在有數字嗎來現在觀光逆差有多少現在大概是出入竟差805萬人次 |
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八百零五萬到幾月的時候到九月底那我們去年差快將近九百萬那今年現在到九月差了八百零五萬那只剩最後三個月署長你是要創紀錄是不是 |
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創觀光逆差的紀錄去年已經快要900萬我們已經認為是說這是一個很大的警訊因為首次將近快900萬的觀光逆差那現在1到9月你跟我們講是說已經805萬了只差不到100萬就要突破去年的數字來 署長 |
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跟委員報告其實國人出國基本上也是對我們的收入是有幫助的所以現在又要再美化說這是什麼經濟表現亮眼所以我們有能力出國是好事不是第二個是說其實出國並不影響到他的國內旅遊 |
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會不影響國內旅遊我第一次聽到這個可能會算是一個創新的說法一個同仁一個我們的連假三天連假 五天連假只要有連假國人如果選擇沒有留在國內旅遊而是出國旅遊他就只會一次消費 |
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那不是在國內留就在國外旅遊那為什麼大家不願意留在國內旅遊這是一個問題另外怎麼樣吸引更多觀光客過來台灣旅遊這是另外一個問題但很顯然你這兩個問題都沒有去面對問題解決問題啊來我先請教一下你認為四個月上任到目前為止國旅最大的問題在哪裡 |
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國旅其實大家不是沒有進行國旅像今年上半年的國旅呢就已經又超過去年只是現在目前國旅的問題他是不留宿他不留宿就是當日來回或區域發展是所以連次長他也都沒有去住宿嘛對不對好來我現在就問的是為什麼國人不留宿現在你上任四個月了也不是新手了那告訴我們國旅現在你看到最大的問題是什麼 |
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第一個台灣的交通真的也很方便這是第一個第二個呢確實國人也覺得我們的住宿費是比較貴的住宿比較貴對 住宿比較貴那第三個是因為國人是不太請假不太平日去旅遊所以我們的平日跟我們的週末日的 |
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的住宿的部分相對的擁擠比如說週末日的住宿真的相對的擁擠平日就相對的比較比較少所以我們才會提明年度的計畫希望去解決平日大家來署長所以你也要感謝在野黨的委員真的要幫我們勞工爭取四家一天假不然就像你剛講的國人他也不願意請假的話你根本沒有時間來去做國旅來有沒有看到最近連假的時候 |
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有網路上很多針對國旅的討論包括說從機場看國旅真的是很慘說來台灣都是轉機沒有留真的留在台灣的只有五位外國人剩下全部都轉機去他其他國家再來有沒有看到最近也有看那個士林夜市有爆發那現在西門町商圈又爆發說南韓的姐妹來台灣旅遊點水果兩個水果被收取了830塊 |
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有沒有看到這新聞所以服務品質可能沒有辦法很佳然後再加上是說有一些不孝的業者我相信99%業者是良善的但有一些不孝業者如果說在這個時候還殺雞取卵故意坑殺這個外國觀光客那這樣很有可能就會造成我們台灣的印象不好那以及飯店還有突然提出來是說我要大家自備大浴巾 |
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來一次性的備品網路上大家也講就是說我們有出國的經驗國際現在也有針對節能減碳的提供備品的方式但是如同日本網友的留言以及旅遊的經驗就講說日本的很多旅店他可能是在一樓備品給大家自由領取而不是放在房間裡面你需要的人拿但現在台灣變成是在這一個一次性備品上面好像已經是 |
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動輒得救所以變成是說我現在全都不提供然後如果說有提供的話還要大家加價購買甚至還有旅店就直接講是說包裝水大浴巾我不提供然後網路上的批評說好像台灣很窮署長那現在又面臨到你剛剛給我們的一個數據到1到9月已經過了四分之三的年805萬的逆差那最後這一個月最後這三個月 |
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我們有辦法彌補這個逆差還是我們會持續的擴大我看起來很悲觀跟委員報告我台灣會一直持續的有出國的部分包含是我們現在出國相對的便宜因為匯率的關係所以這件事情在今年短時間我覺得應該還是會往前這樣走的所以改善不了所以現在觀光署署長已經告訴我們就是今年觀光一定是逆差 |
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然後原因是因為我們現在匯率那沒有啊相對日本來講我們匯率是相對比較高啊是因為日本匯率低啊可是相對其他的國家我們其實沒有比較優勢啊但是我們出國便宜啊 |
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你講什麼不是我是說因為這樣的關係所以像台灣跟台幣跟日幣比的話所以台灣還是跑日本跑得很多的原因是因為這樣所以我們到最後今天的討論重點我今天排的這專案報告就到最後重點是我們怪因為日本的匯率太低台灣人喜歡日本所以我們雙手一攤那這樣交通部觀光署就不用升格啦之前觀光局就好了觀光局的時候我們利差還沒有那麼多耶 |
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我覺得今天我對事不對人我知道你身體不舒服但我看到這個專案報告之後我覺得沒有辦法接受的是我們通篇都在美化數字耶 |
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好像我們活在不同的時空環境好像網路上的討論跟國旅對於國旅的抱怨或是國旅的我們的期待跟要求我們沒有任何一個官員有看到這樣的一個事實然後結果給我們這個報告你今天這個報告在奇聞共賞一下如果說放在網路上我覺得大家會更生氣跟難過 |
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大家都知道國旅的問題結果沒有一個報告今天我特別排了一個專案報告今天八個委員會裡面有三個委員會質詢而已啊為什麼要那麼認真就是我們認為是說這個東西跟民生消費有很大關係飯店旅遊住宿觀光餐飲運輸業者都是我們的民生消費能夠帶動好那才是最重要但就你們今天通篇美化文章 |
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好棒棒我只是沒有要求大家跟你們拍手委員我們沒有不關心國旅的部分署長你今天的報告就是讓大家沒有看到你看到問題跟試圖想要解決問題的誠意跟態度我覺得這才是問題委員我們光看到今年上半年跟下半年的連續假期因為今年下半年連續假期也多嘛 |
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那今年上半年的連續假期的住房率大概在49%那今年下半年的住房率呢現在是在58%是有成長9%所以我認為這件事情是有在Getting better的要用這種冷冰冰的數字喔那我剛就一開始我開宗明義就講了就是今年的觀光逆差就是805萬 |
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會看起來會超過去年的觀光逆差會不會突破千萬不知道但這對於台灣觀光來講這絕不是一個光榮的數字最後我只請教那個缺工的問題之前5月就已經講就說 |
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旅宿業要開放移工但是一直沒有問到詳細的狀況結果我們今天排了這個專案報告之後馬上今天行政院會就說要通過中階勞工開放能夠旅宿業怎麼那麼巧之前我們要問資料這個都問不到那結果現在我排了一個專案報告馬上今天同時間行政院會就通過這一條 |
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是心電感應不是五月的時候是不是就講了那時候你還不是署長五月的時候前任署長來那時候就說要研議跟勞動部最快速度辦理我們那時候也講說那你要先照顧本國勞工真的沒有辦法你要開放要適度的開放並且你的辦法措施什麼都要出來就過去這四五個月要問問資料問不到勞動部問不到就說研議中研議中就今天排這個專案報告 |
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就那麼巧行政院同時間就說今天行政院會要通過那我請教現在要開放所謂中階勞工它的範圍是什麼中階勞工的定義是什麼它的範圍未來它是協助旅宿業的房屋房屋跟清潔櫃台有沒有櫃台沒有櫃台沒有在房屋裡面確定 |
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因為我之前有看到資料是說櫃台有包括我想要確認是說未來開放之後有沒有會不會我們國人去國旅以後看到我們check in的同仁櫃台是外籍人士來服務可以請同事補充說明嗎中介技術人力的部分你看我覺得這 |
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這就最大問題就過去我們想要請教說你的辦法到底是什麼勞動部推觀光交通部推勞動部然後沒有給我們相關資料然後我真的排了專案報告之後今天行政院就說他要通過了然後現在照理講通過了你們應該有準備你們應該計劃已經成熟了可以一起來講跟委員補充報告剛剛再更新一下就是櫃台跟餐飲也有所以有四個項目 |
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30秒前你跟我讲没有我没有掌握 |
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那這方案到底有沒有保障我們本國勞工啊有有這個會不會30秒後有跟我講沒有這個來來回回因為開了很多次會議然後我們就是因為開了很多次會議所以說本席也想要問相關資料但問不到那還有更重要的是你們今天到現在為止到底掌握多少以及旅宿業到底知不知道說你今天開放的動作是什麼還有我們勞動團體勞工團體知不知道說開放東西是什麼 |
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會後請今天也已經宣布了會後給本席相關的資料以及你們要怎麼樣跟所有的旅宿業者在座溝通還有掌握未來我們的本土勞工因為本席看到新聞資料是說你們是一聘一這是新聞資料從新聞資料看到我們立法委員要質詢居然是要從新聞資料才看到這個新聞 |
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你們是一聘一本勞有一個你們才可以聘一個外勞而且是中介勞工但是他服務範圍到底是什麼以及未來會不會我們的國旅遇到的這個check in的人員是外籍人員那還有這樣有沒有辦法真真正正能夠如同你剛剛講的問題核心房屋的價格 |
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羊毛出在羊身上但如果說我們政府都已經協助做專案了能夠來降低他的人力成本不要再抱怨缺工了那房價還是一個晚上那麼的高定在那邊讓大家覺得是說我與其不如我就出國玩了那這樣國慮只會越來越慘這都環環相扣的本席對是不對人但是專題報告要的就是你們面對問題解決問題不是美化 |
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你要化妝的話回家化妝不用來國會殿堂化妝謝謝 |