| IVOD_ID |
164877 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164877 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T11:19:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T11:32:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f004f9de2b37022d42755b9b7d9df2795fecec708ebf7c686554001ca9689ad817b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃秀芳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:15 - 11:32:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部、財政部、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署就「如何精進海外小型包裹夾帶肉品之查緝與防堵，持續強化阻絕疫情於國門，同時優化國內後續對於非洲豬瘟防疫」提出專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時起。若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、繼續審查行政院函請審議「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草案」、委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文修正草案」、委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等27人、委員黃秀芳等21人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員范雲等18人、委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員沈發惠等18人、委員王育敏等19人、委員王育敏等25人擬、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」、委員郭昱晴等17人、委員羅廷瑋等18人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
（一）委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修草案」案。
（四）委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條修正草案」案。
（五）委員林淑芬等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員徐富癸等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
【二、(三)至(七)案，如經復議則不予審查；二、(八)至(十)案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查】
【逐條討論】
【10月29日及10月30日，二天一次會】） |
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那我今天早上也聽到部長有特別提到就是說未來進來之後這個進到國內全部一律都要檢查是不是這樣子剛剛我一直在確認這件事情那個可能比較詳細的細節是不是可以請關務署說明是好不是那個是農業部房間署 |
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是 報告委員其實早在108年的時候那院長去視察的時候為什麼會增加這個首檢區是因為當時我們的裁罰只要高強度的裁罰一個案子就是罰一百萬那當然也達到阻嚇的作用但是很多的民眾就認為說 |
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這個罰度太高那是不是我們應該在之前有重新讓我們遊客檢視的機會那這個時候然後提醒他們說是不是有忘了忽略了帶一些含有肉製品的那所以在這樣的一個機制之下所以就有指示我們在與我們整個正式的通關檢查前設立了一個首檢區那這個首檢區就是協助遊客進來然後先再次檢查 |
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他的手提包包是不是含有一些肉質品或植物的產品那假設在這裡確實帶有這樣的一個產品那你就在那裡行丟棄那你到了海關通氣的時候那就不會有問題但假設你拒絕你拒絕通過手檢區那麼到了海關這個地方同樣要經過這個海關的檢測 |
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那假設在這裡被檢測出來那你就是有帶有高風險的東西那麼送給我們假設是跟我們動植物有關那送給我們動物的開發一次就是20萬以上我想請教因為一開始那時候108年那時候應該是算是比較嚴格那後面可能 |
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就是整個疫情比較緩和之後整個狀況可能就這個在海關那邊其實就沒有那麼嚴格我相信署長你自己本身應該也知道那我想請教就是說那未來進到海關進入國門之後你們現在是一律都要檢查或者是還是會分這個 |
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紅線跟綠線你們還是會這樣分嗎那如果民眾確實他有帶其實我們看到有的如果這個他還是有帶然後他拿的是綠的卡片然後直接走綠線的話那你們也是 |
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我想這個我們就從這件事件說我們大會檢討有兩個措施我們回去會進出來做研理第一個就是說針對我們這個守檢軍行政指導的這個部分那是可以加減它的一個法源的依據跟裁罰的一個基準就是假設拒絕的話我們應該採取怎麼樣的措施來對這些不配合的旅客來加強做一些處罰的行為 |
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所以他不配合你們也沒有法則目前是行政指導因為當時的定位就是在協助遊客在通關之前的做再一次的檢視那第二件事情就是說我們現在是有採取分流那也就是跟39個高風險國家那是一定要通過首檢區 |
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那這個非疫區的那才不需要那如果我覺得為了要提高我們整個強度就是防疫的強度那或許我們會要求所有的來自任何的國家都要通過那這個部分我們會馬上來做研明 |
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我們希望就是說我們一直在講說這個要阻絕於境外所以我覺得這一部分應該還要再加強另外我想請教就是說你們在這個房檢的這個站裡面大部分都是你們自己的同仁嗎還是或者是委外的 |
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是委託一個保全是因為委託保全公司來執行這個協助這個業務那你們自己的你們自己的那個這個防疫署這邊的人員是有多少人我們桃園分署是要派員來督導做這件事情的就是他在旁邊督導然後讓保全人員去做這件事 |
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那我想請教就是說保全人員他有這樣的一個概念嗎有 我們一定要加強訓練我們也不定期在做訓練因為這些人員可能不了解到底要怎麼第一個態度最重要那第二個要怎麼樣來檢視這些行李 |
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那包括在X光那裡有X光的判別那還有打開開箱以後那怎麼樣來處理所以這樣的業務是從什麼時候開始是這樣108年以後就交由保全去做這樣的一個工作那108年以前 |
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是你們自己的沒有設置這樣的一個機制所以我覺得這部分應該還要再去加強我們一直希望主角於境外當然我們希望國人不要把一些肉製品或者是動植物的東西帶進來國內 |
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那當然還是會有人也許是不小心也許是刻意故意那我覺得說這方面就是我們政府的責任要怎麼樣讓這個東西不要再帶進來我覺得這方面你們應該還要再去加強我跟委員再報告也不乏這個案例就是從港澳進來那他當然我了解也有這樣子拒絕 |
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他不經過結果到了我們的海關區的時候我們有檢疫犬在紅綠區那被檢疫犬嗅聞到了那他從包包裡拿出來是在機上沒有吃完的三明治那一下子就肉檢就是20萬就開罰 |
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那他當下的作為就是他不繳那不繳就是拒絕入境就被遣送回去了所以這種的都是都有這樣的一個案例的發生好我覺得說這方面應該還要再加強就像我再問一下那個部長跟那個食藥署署長就今天很多委員在關心就是從郵包進到台灣來那這些郵包我不知道說你們到底要怎麼去檢查 |
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裡面也有肉製品可能有一些食物什麼之類的零零總總非常多我相信你們應該也沒有那個人力去檢查這麼多的包裹未來你們要怎麼處理這樣的事情 |
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當然現在雖然說他是有一定就6公斤以下1000美金以下他是免驗沒錯但是他還是要去上登錄啦就登錄他這個東西是什麼那麼所以我們在研究我們研究就是有一些頻繁用一些其他的這個勾機方式比如說他是不斷的頻繁的在輸入 |
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自用因為這個原則是只適用於自用如果不是自用的那還是多少公斤都是要查驗的那所以是針對那個自用很頻繁在輸入這些東西的自用的來加強這個追查所以我覺得就是因為這樣的一個事件我覺得你們這一個部分應該還要再加強跟委員補充一下因為不管是多少的量 |
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他輸入的一定要合法與可以輸入的品項登入在官務署駕食藥署才會給予免查驗登記的所以這樣子兩邊配起來之後他才會免驗所以剛才講的非洲豬肉這豬肉相關的疫區的都是不准進來的所以他不會是可以同意得到所謂的免驗的這一項相次跟輸入的相次以上說明 |
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好那如果類似就是說我們覺得說小包裹這個部分確實是目前一般民眾就是常用的購買的一個媒介一個平台這個網購平台真的是非常多我相信不論是這個我們那個這個 |
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中華我們確實每一天收到的這種小包裹真的非常的多那我希望就是說我們在查驗的這方面應該還要再加強不然有時候就是透過這樣的一個小包裹就進來台灣了另外我是不是請部長回我是不是可以再請教就是有關我們農業部 |
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就是說未來除了說我們邊境這個肉品確實可以攔查可能就在邊境就可以直接查驗那如果說是人員他進到疫區也許他有到那個畜牧場那回來 |
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之后他如果没有通报那他是不是也可能把这个病毒就透过他的衣服他的鞋子就直接带进来那类似这样的话你们未来要怎么处理谢谢委员现在所有的牧场 |
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他的管理者經營者全部都入案所以都在海關裡面這些通關的時候全部都要經過一些相關的處理措施才可以入關所以是針對所有的牧場對的經營者 |
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我覺得說這方面因為這一次的非洲豬瘟台中案場其實在前幾天還查得到就是這個主人這個場主的雨鞋還有他們的一些器具還是有這樣的一個病毒那表示就是說其實這個病毒它是可以存在而且可以存在很久可以存活到一千天 |
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確實這個時間真的非常長所以我覺得說不論是真的是肉品或者是一些他的衣服雨鞋或者一些器具我覺得確實真的要去落實清消的這樣的一個動作要不然可能就真的會透過其他的媒介又傳出去那你們針對這一部分我們現在列館的有390戶的經營者 |
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那所有他的出入境尤其是入境的時候這些的一個所有相關的防疫配合措施一定要做到好那另外就是我要提醒就是說一旦有發生這樣的一個案例的時候其實我覺得進出的人員應該也要管制像這一次這個案場可能很多媒體或很多人就這樣進出那當時也沒有管制啊你們當時應該也都沒有管制其實我們第一時間就已經跟台中市政府講說 |
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這個案場一定要管制包括人進出的人跟他們自己的事主這個案場主你也不能隨便亂跑而且跑到別的地方去做開槓所以這個都有要求他們要做那對案主的部分我們是有法規可以發 |
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有確定落實嗎 我覺得應該也沒落實所以現在在昨天的時候 前天吧那個檢證署這邊也跟地方的配合去拉封鎖線針對整個案場 那個已經又過了幾天了對 所以這個也是我們一直要求台中市政府應該先把案場這個地方先做一些逐訣讓外人不要進去 |
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我覺得就是說房間署這邊應該未來如果有類似這樣的一個狀況因為本來後來不是說彰化分園也有一場可能類似後來是說陰性嘛對不對那當時那時候隔天就是新聞有這樣報的時候隔天就很多媒體就在那裡面在播所以我覺得說未來如果有類似的狀況其實我覺得房間署你們應該要去嚴格 |
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管控所有不相干的人确实就是不能进到那个案场里面我在跟委员报告我们同步开设这个我们中央医院中心其实大概每半年都会每三个月吧 |
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就召開一次那這一次事件的時候地方的整個災變中心也開設了那事實上地方災變中心就有這個權限去做這樣的一個處理所以我們一再的提醒台中市政府要有作為好我是覺得說要落實啦是是是好謝謝謝謝黃委員謝謝署長請回接下來請蘇清泉委員好蘇清泉委員還是要練啦 |