| IVOD_ID |
164876 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164876 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T11:20:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T11:27:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f007d2a6c47095d4fce8220506846d94b49cec708ebf7c6865556a65096fc31f86f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:20:57 - 11:27:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行、法務部、內政部警政署就「虛擬資產服務法草案及其相關子法修訂暨建立完善監理架構之進程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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等一下 |
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好 那我現在直接開始主委我在這邊跟您說明一件事情就當人民的錢被騙走的時候人民只在乎一件事就是錢拿不拿得回來只要沒有辦法幫他拿回來錢拿回來的話那他就會覺得政府就是廢物在人民的眼中他只在乎錢拿不拿得回來 |
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我想有沒有好的管理這就是您的責任這您應該非常的清楚我想請問一下因為我去年我就有質詢相關的議題了我想軍管會從去年說要打造亞洲的資產管理中心一個最簡單的問題請問虛擬資產是不是也在管理的範圍內虛擬資產在目前沒有目前沒有 |
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我去年的時候去年我去年我有跟你提到就是說台灣目前投資虛擬市場大概有八成的交易都在境外交易所這個您知道吧知道那這個部分現在在您有什麼積極作為可以請您現在告訴我嗎 |
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我想這個就是我們要訂定專訪一個很重要的過程因為現在大部分因為它透過進化的時候其實我們的轄管是沒辦法對這個做任何的這樣一個比如說管理但是我跟你說我看到你們的那個草案但你們那個草案還是管不到這八成的市場 |
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對不對我想這不是只有台灣會面臨到的問題啦你不能這樣講啊我們也在努力但是我們要先解決國內的這些我們業者民眾更容易接觸到的市場那你至少要讓國人知道嘛有80%國人的投資是我幫不了你的 |
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其实不是这样看我跟你说我不喜欢政府干一件事情政府常干一件事情就是说他常告诉国人说没问题有政府都可以值得信任结果事情发生之后又做不到那我今天很担心的一个就是说会不会我们告诉国人让国人误以为他今天去投资这些虚拟货币虚拟资产就到最后他认为被骗了以后政府也会帮他忙但是几乎都拿不回来 |
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他到那一刻才發現原來我的政府沒有辦法幫我我是希望說這個在宣傳的時候你必須要告訴國人你不要讓國人誤以為你有這個能力所有投資教育 金融教育這個都是要同步來進行所以現在我看到了你們草案第一個是管不到那個國人80%投資的那個市場你管不到那再來您的草案裡面雖然有提到一些未來如果他是境外納管的話我們就會管理得到 |
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當然啦 但是問題是你有沒有辦法納管他嘛他如果來申請落地剛才像那個也有委員提到就是說境外的這些的VASP他願意在台灣來納管他當然就會受到這樣的不是 那你就是被動我今天講的主軸是被動好不好 他願意來我才有辦法管他他不願意來 人民繼續被騙所以我們在那個第四條裡面有加上一個叫國際合作這是我們希望預留的空間因為確實這件事情是全世界共同來面對的問題 |
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好 那沒關係啦你再推謝謝 謝謝委員的提醒那我跟你講那你就直接告訴人民直接告訴人民那80%真的不是我們能夠幫你的忙請不要投資你就只能這樣做啦你不能一方面講你要做什麼管理中心另外一方面什麼都做不到我跟你講啦你剛剛講的那個沒有錯啦他願意來納管的話但是呢現在那80%的這些境外交易所他也沒有主動向我們這邊台灣這邊來招攬或打廣告 |
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是我們這裡台灣人自己上網去搜尋去那邊從事交易的所以你們也管不了你也說如果他願意來你被動的才能夠納管假設因為假設我們當我們開始納管台灣已經有非常安全的交易平台他購買是相同的標的 相同的服務我想這也是導引我們現在國人走向合規化 |
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那就該講說委員所關心的問題就會被縮小但是我聽來聽去還是沒有辦法管理嘛你要他主動來嘛那你只能消極的被動看他要不要來嘛除此之外你完全沒有你對他沒有辦法那你有沒有辦法凍結那80%的這些投資的境外交易所我想委員是法律專家非常清楚這個是有困難的啦 |
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对 就是有困难所以你要告诉国人嘛这才是重点我跟你说我这边看到的114年9月18号的那个你们会后的一些记者会的资料现在台湾虚拟交易已经到550亿美金了尤其2023 6月到2024 6月这一年的期间已经达到这么高那我们投资那个人的比例也从去年的12%上升到今年的24%也就是说 |
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这个投资的数字一直在往上飙那我再跟你说因为时间的关系我直接跟你讲我现在还是认为这80%还是是境外之地无从管理但是你看一下我们邻近的一些对手日本韩国新加坡他们都有设专法在管理所以我现在看到的是每天我们国人被骗有3亿元但是呢我们什么都做不了我们对国外的一些韩巡也都石沉大海这我很清楚我以前韩巡国外也都石沉大海 |
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所以这个没有办法落地替捐款的这个东西你还是得要让国人知道我管不了但是我要让国人知道我真的是管不了那像日本他之前就那个2022年的那个FTX那个破产那件事你一定很清楚日本政府就有帮他们国人争取到而且要回很多钱我们国家有没有办法做到当然我知道国际很困境但是这不是构成理由就回到我刚刚第一句话 |
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人民被騙錢他只在乎政府有沒有幫他拿回錢拿了回錢你就是好政府拿不回錢他只會罵你是笨蛋罵你是廢物他不會在乎你到底問題出在哪裡好不好所以這個部分還是要麻煩你們要對這些 |
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能夠有在台灣能夠可用可查可凍結的這加密貨幣市場秩序麻煩你們還是要建立起來這個不行的話就告訴國人我做不到不要讓國人以為政府管得了他投資了被騙那一天才知道原來政府管不了這是我在辦公室整天聽到的訊息好不好好謝謝我想保護那個消費者是我們的職責沒有什麼麻煩我們會來朝這方向努力那就要納管啦好謝謝謝謝吳委員接下來我們請羅明采委員 |
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主席各位 |