| IVOD_ID |
164862 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164862 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T10:14:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T10:31:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f00fc48426d3d50447955b9b7d9df2795fe935765bd47f5465111b1cec9fb31ec975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:22 - 10:31:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部、財政部、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署就「如何精進海外小型包裹夾帶肉品之查緝與防堵，持續強化阻絕疫情於國門，同時優化國內後續對於非洲豬瘟防疫」提出專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時起。若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、繼續審查行政院函請審議「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草案」、委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文修正草案」、委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等27人、委員黃秀芳等21人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員范雲等18人、委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員沈發惠等18人、委員王育敏等19人、委員王育敏等25人擬、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」、委員郭昱晴等17人、委員羅廷瑋等18人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
（一）委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修草案」案。
（四）委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條修正草案」案。
（五）委員林淑芬等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員徐富癸等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
【二、(三)至(七)案，如經復議則不予審查；二、(八)至(十)案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查】
【逐條討論】
【10月29日及10月30日，二天一次會】） |
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是要請杜署長還有那個國務署的副署長這個手撿包的查譯的地方剛剛你們這種答詢我會替你們捏把冷汗也會讓國人覺得你到底在說什麼而且那個副署長有沒有講這句話基本上現在電話查就馬上知道了除了他退休了他退休在台灣你接得到電話這個都可以馬上問的啊 |
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即便這一關是這個樣子這一關是這個樣子他可以拒絕但是他真的走得出去嗎他走得出去嗎台灣的邊境查驗 入關的查驗有這麼鬆嗎也因為沒有反的依據請你打開包包 你可以拒絕之後他就沒事了嗎 |
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有這件事嗎 不可以就對了 我覺得你回答得很軟的這樣我們就沒法完 我們的人就沒救我們就破傳 怎麼樣就怎麼樣你硬要給我感覺沒有 你現場你問我問在座的報案官員 你剛剛聽到都市長我是知道你很累啦 已經這幾天為了非洲豬的事情但是這種答詢的回應方式然後我也特別提供這樣的訊息給你還有人竟然敢這件事情潑在臉書就是可以拒絕 |
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你賴我如何怎麼可以這樣怎麼可以公然這樣挑戰然後現在委員來追尋你的時候你們的回應好像對啊就是這樣啊雖然我們過去最大的關卡就是公務署對不對 |
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但是對你防檢署來講防疫就是你們第一線啊防疫就是你已經站到海關的這個這個浪頭的時候你就是要有辦法處理啊你沒辦法處理我就是幫幫 不能讓你再走到下一個階段啊我就馬上通知關路署人到現場通知海關人到現場來啊我沒有法令 原理依據可以要求你開關路署的人能不能叫你開嘛我們可以馬上做啊你下一步就走不下去啊 |
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你們怎麼沒有這個power可以講這種話今天是委員已經把人家臉書po的已經挑戰你們的公共權利的情況之下在國會殿堂在垂詢你的時候你怎麼可以回應到這麼樣的太軟了 |
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這不對啦 這個所謂對的臨來時實在是完全不一樣的處理的一種態度跟行動我坐在這裡 我覺得連部長也替你緊張好像在教導國人 今天如果這樣的情況好像教導國人說對啊 就是可以拒絕啊你哪有 你引起什麼火力 你哪裡有強制力 |
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國人在出境機場有這麼輕鬆嗎昨天在內政委員會還有我的委員同仁好像對內政部的初選首長講說我們的邊境查驗我們的機場管理的太嚴了啦有沒有 你可以馬上問馬上查內政委員會我記得就是有這件事情 |
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對 然後台灣機場檢查太嚴格 程序太長但是今天在這個委員會感覺好像某類 不是這個樣子好像很輕鬆怎麼會有 不同委員會 然後委員的槌尋差異對一個機場的把關差異這麼大那就是我們為政者回應的態度跟我們實際上的作為 |
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農業部資料 114年對新的簡歷統計國外民眾攜帶肉製品 陽性率中國是13.1% 越南是8.8% 泰國4.2%這三國以陽性的比例最高的這三個國家其中中國的肉品對台灣簡直是叫做生化攻擊了這一場夾帶目前海關邊境有完整的攔截措施存在 |
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目的指向就是大量這次的我特別排這一個專案就是說大量的通過電商平台通過網路直接在國外訂購肉製品直接輸台這個相關的報導也特別提到中華郵政處長中華郵政處長處長請出席一下曾接大量拼多多淘寶貨物台中郵取進口約50個貨櫃6萬多件高雄郵取進口約60個貨櫃9萬多件除了這兩個還有其他嗎 |
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只有這兩個郵局還有其他 你可以補充資料嗎你的領執要翻好報告主席 目前只有從台中港跟高雄港進來就這兩個港嘛 對不對這兩個港 這樣數據正確嘛8月7日到現在 50個多貨櫃是在台中然後60個貨櫃是在高雄 |
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兩個貨櫃加起來就十幾萬件 沒有錯吧是好 所以有郵政的局主管在透露啦 說近三個月來日夜加班啦 壓力非常重大然後大量的中國的貨櫃相關有肉類的香腸還有豬肉月餅 半島會怕優先成為非洲 這個豬防疫的破口有沒有這件事情 |
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報告委員那基本上這個從海印海印快遞進口的這些郵包是以貨關進來是經過海印快遞通關那經過關路署以及防檢局的檢疫以後呢在通關一簽關以後才交給中華郵政來做這個遞送 |
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是啦 所以意思是說我們中緯郵政基本上只要經過關路署 經過這個防疫署的這個檢疫完之後 |
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S光機照過之後反正就是沒有所謂的違禁品中華郵政反正就只有寄送而已嘛接跟送而已嘛對不對 是不是這樣所以相關的檢驗的把關就是在我們公務署跟房間署嘛對不對 應該是這樣嘛 跟你中華郵政沒有關係嘛所以你現在跟我講說這個郵政主管透露這三個月來日夜加班所以來自中國大量貨櫃有肉類香腸含豬肉月餅 半道會泡是假的 |
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你要回應我是這個是假的中緒郵政沒有這個主管這主管是虛設的這主管是自己跑出來的這主管是虛擬的這個同仁的反應那基本上我們這個檢疫的部分的確是經過X光 |
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以及這個防檢署那當然我們現在因為這個配合這個海運快遞進來我們的同仁全力把這個整個貨件經過清關以後交運給中華郵政做這個避送所以反映的內容的真實性我們我在這邊沒有辦法去做回應跟查證那我先請處長看下一個照片好不好你看一下 |
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這個就是選TW收貨地址下單可享滿49免預這TW是指什麼意思台幣是台幣嘛是台幣那滿那個好像那個電線桿下面有兩條幹那個是什麼 |
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這個我不清楚你不清楚嗎你就是不清楚你今天打呼我才會很多事情不太清楚滿49免運就是滿人民幣那個是講幣值的代號就是人民幣選TWTW不是指台幣是選台灣收屋地址下單可享滿49人民幣免運 |
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這是針對台灣的消費者的一個廣告嘛市長這樣清楚吧 這樣清楚你看他賣什麼東西你可以簡單從左邊講一項 從右邊講一項嗎右邊是這個水果跟水果類 左邊是肉類製品是 那我們先講右邊的水果類 這些可以銷入台灣嗎 |
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X光機照到這些有直接處理掉沒有辦法透過這個進口的這是沒辦法經過進口嘛對不對那你中委郵政如果有接受這樣的貨品然後直接寄到這個收件人那中委郵政要負起什麼責任因為他是整個是在包裝經過這個驗官 清官以後我們沒有辦法對內容物做查證 |
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所以你們不曉得你們在送什麼東西嘛對不對應該是這麼講嘛所以右邊就這樣了嘛那左邊也是這樣嘛是不是這樣這個是貨運承攬業他進來以後呢必須這個清楚標示產地然後經過這個時間的關係啦我們沒有辦法再講下去我只是要跟你提醒啦齁這個賴處長你先到旁邊一下好不好謝謝 不好意思齁 |
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所以你現在要否認我是說你們的郵政主管有在擔心搬運搬貨搬到怕搬到怕有非洲防疫的破口是假訊息就對了你要回答我是這樣嘛 是不是你記住喔 這現場都是有錄影錄音的喔要不要再肯定答無一下 不可能 |
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這個整個辦運的這個工作可不可能嘛 你就簡單答覆我一句話就好嘛但是內部的這整個檢疫內 我們的確是沒有參與這些檢疫我在委員會 我很少在委員官員但是我是希望官員在答覆過程裡面還是要秉於良心 秉於專業 秉於真的實際上可能的狀況要把事情講清楚 對不對 好那你現在講的是沒有嘛 不可能發生啊所以這個郵政主管是假的啦 這是假訊息這是虛擬的 是不是這樣 |
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我只是針對這個檢疫的工作他內容描述的檢疫的工作不是你在做啊你不需要打呼我檢疫的工作啊你中委員正式收跟送嘛對不對應該是這樣嘛檢疫工作後面那兩位嘛你怎麼好你請到旁邊我最後一個啦來請教這個杜署長還有我們副署長昨天長是在28日已經正式回應說要求經濟部 數碼部 |
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還有研究如果讓這個淘寶拼多多這個限期落地如果限期不落地不納入管制的話將要求電商這個平台下架現在中國的雙11促銷活動即將來臨然後去年的時候淘寶為了搶這個雙11的商機就宣布於7-11門市和新竹物流合作擴大全台免運服務範圍只要下單選這個7-11 |
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什麼也沒有門市取貨或通過宅配滿人民幣99元想免運到台然後然後包裹更可以直接全台368這個這個鄉鎮市區來寄送然後偏鄉地區也能輕鬆取貨這個這個是去年事情你再回到上一頁 |
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這個是拼多多的 只要選TW 選台灣收入地址下單可享滿49的 等於是人民幣可以免運嘛 等於滿200塊的台幣嘛 就可以免運了這個是什麼意思啊 然後可以賣這些東西可以賣 左邊是肉類 右邊是水果 |
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署長怎麼看待這個事情這個事情要怎麼應應目前來講有很多是他的廣告那是在境外廣告那真正的要做到購買然後寄送的時候其實還是有在大的廠商是有一些的作為有些是你真的訂貨的時候你也進不來那有的是你刷卡的時候用台灣的這個信用卡 |
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他也不會成交所以他是有後面是有一些的管制措施的所以這些商家他們在做無效廣告無聊廣告無益廣告你要不要等一下回桌的時候還是休息十分鐘的時候馬上你打拼多多就是每天都有頻率之高誰的手機都可以看到而且這是專為台灣設計的滿200台幣滿49的人民幣你就免預 |
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然後琵琶包每天都有每天都有然後這些這些都是禁止進來台灣的不要講肉類喔連水果都是喔一直在廣告一直在廣告那院長講這樣什麼時候委員我再補充一下就是拼多多是一個新的一個媒體 |
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那他用APP的方式在做他的行銷那這個部分在秘書長這邊召集的跨部會會議的時候也要求速發布要提出一個具體針對這些電商平台有些的不法的違法的或者是管理不良的這個部分要做一個處置 |
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我知道那天院會的質詢 院長做的才是 這邊都有很清楚來不及啦 太晚了啦 反應不夠快啦雙11已經快到了 |
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我希望我們可以加快 其實基本上他就是公然違反我們台灣相關的法令嘛對不對 我們知道他在網路 他在臉書 他在平台一直持續不斷不斷的不斷的在播送 在連結 在擴大他的數據台灣的政府要有積極因應的相關的作為啊 |
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剛剛你講的進行屏蔽嘛對不對只有進行屏蔽就夠了嗎還有可以做到什麼程度拒絕怎麼拒絕拒絕就是你從台灣下單在那邊如果有自主管理跟我們電商平台合作是拒絕下單但拼多多是一個新的一個電商平台那所以說現在可能要整個的資訊的一個屏蔽所以這個部分找那個速發部在做 |
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相關的一個策略我覺得這做屏蔽 還有你講的拒絕真的是不夠力你們要不要最快的速度因為時間關係好不好請你 請農業部嘛還有經濟部 還有這個 樹花部衛福部應該也要一起來啦真的 這已經離譜了這不是這幾天的事情這是一大陣子的嘛 對不對 |
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是不是請市部長也可以來召集看來如何來應應為了國人的健康為了我們台灣的養豬產業為了我們的豬籠為了所有的一系列這樣生態的這樣的一個台灣的很多的一個必須要怎麼講我看到這些數據每天在這樣跑在這樣跑在這樣跑那其實我真的看得很汗顏我也覺得很擔憂台灣未來的處境真的 |
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結果香港剛剛開場白的一直帶進來一直帶進來一直有這樣被我們阻絕在外的這些疑似還是這些弱品基本上就好像在做生化攻擊的道理一樣所以全員動起來一個星期內好不好提出相關的因應作為不能只有屏蔽不能只有拒絕而已的這些措施好不好 謝謝好 我們謝謝劉建國委員的資訊 |
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接下来我们请廖维祥委员 |