| IVOD_ID |
164838 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164838 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T09:18:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T09:26:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51b0ad7d23096e135fb08d4a2736e01e2b1e9be59762a4979e16d77fa562bcf7fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:18:00 - 09:26:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等21人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」。
二、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等24人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
三、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」及委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
以上全案於10月29日（星期三）進行合併詢答，10月30日（星期四）處理。
【10月29日及30日二天一次會】（請參閱開會通知單及議程）） |
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好 謝謝主席我是不是請一下工部長不請工部長 |
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邱委員早部長早部長我想這個我們今天在處理這個所謂的海濫七法那這目前的三個法是跟經濟委員會有相關謝謝部長剛剛的報告海濫七法我想這個大家最近台灣其實是更能夠深刻的感受到從今年其實也有已經有多起的所謂海濫被破壞的這樣的一個事件 |
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那這海欄呢其實是我們國家的數位命脈我們有非常多的國際資料傳輸其實都是必須仰賴這些海底的電纜那這個七法的目的其實除了要保障以外我覺得很重要的其實國安的問題才是我們應該要認真去面對的部長我直接請教一下現在的行政院的版本 |
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我們談到了所謂的故意破壞者是處一年以上七年以下的有期徒刑過失者是處六個月以下的徒刑或者是只有兩百萬元的罰款我請教一下你的故意跟過失是要怎麼樣去做區分 |
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容易區分的出來嗎那能不能比照所謂的美國電信安全法的模式把這個刑責把它拉高呢這個在過去在我們行政院版的討論的過程裡頭有沒有做這一方面的考量過部長報委員 |
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故意或過失基本上是法院會認定不過當然有一些樣態我們也可以了解行為上面呢法院上當然是有分什麼叫故意什麼叫過失嘛行為上你能夠區分得出來嗎基本上他要KAIS出來嘛對不對如果一直在那邊滯留如果他只是通行的話按照道理他的速度應該很容易就過 |
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但是一直在那邊滯留在那邊打圈圈繞的話那這個就這個就比較明顯當然也不是我們認定的但是這個就比較不是好像是過失而已可能他有特地的用途 |
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其實你們看過這個海巡署給的相關的資料都能夠看得其實都非常的清楚嘛有很多的這個漁船就是一直在那裡繞圈圈嘛好那我要請教就是說你們有沒有你們認不認為應該要比照 |
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比照像美國的這個模式把這個刑期提高又或甚者是我覺得現在整個國際的趨勢去設立一個所謂的海欄保護區比如說美國當然是把刑度提高澳洲 紐西蘭他們也設定了所謂的海欄保護區歐盟也成立了所謂的海欄安全行動機制跟其他的國家做區域的聯防 |
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所以台灣有沒有可能或者說你們有沒有討論過我們是不是應該要來規劃設立所謂的海南保護區作為你們未來要驅離或是沒入這些財閥的很明確的規範 有沒有 |
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有沒有做過討論 第一個那如果有討論在法裡頭為什麼沒有看到如果沒有做過討論不劃定保護區的理由是什麼來 部長請您一併說明報告委員 因為執行端的話是我們是比較是海委會海巡署在幫我們執行啦那座標 我們的座標也都會給海巡 它也會公告那來做一些執行這樣子一個情況 |
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你沒有回答我的問題啊我在問你說有沒有想要設定海嵐的走廊保育區有沒有你跟我講是海委會執行海委會今天有沒有人來海委會來海巡署院有討論過啦但是副署長來副署長請您說明一下好不好原在行政院四次會議中的確有討論有討論分散立法放在各部會就現在的修法 七法也有集中立法 |
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比方說要不要訂海南保護區的部分嗎海南保護區也有討論後來考慮是這樣因為海南保護區還涉及到漁民作業權益還有實際執法問題那後來就決定維持目前就是12海里依照國際法規定12海里我們嚴格執法那這部分的話落實在海南七法有經過充分的討論第二個 各位報告那有關過失犯部分在個案部分我們都會完整收證給檢查 |
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司法機關 那以鴻泰58號今年2月25號檢察官起訴法官判決船長三年有期徒刑他就認定船上有海上圖資他明白標示他就在海底電纜上面他竟然下錨所以他是故意的另外中華電信有一個SAW Source系統只要經過他的電區他會發訊號不過這艘船他沒有開AS 沒有接收到 |
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所以他故意把AIS關閉是 所以檢察官依個案事實認定依據經驗法則 論理法則認定宏泰58號是故意犯的 |
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副所長我想還是要再更進一步請教如果說為了保護我們的漁船作業所以我們不宜來劃設所謂的海南保護區我們比照其他的國家比如說你們現在你剛剛談到的我們跟澳洲跟日本跟美國這個所謂的區域聯防的這一塊到底未來應該怎麼做 |
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或者是說你們未來會怎麼樣去做加強我想很顯然的大家都注意到這個海底電纜不斷的被故意破壞這件事情這個對每一國來講都是一個很重大的威脅那對於印太區域聯防這件事情你們應該怎麼做你們會怎麼做這個是非常 |
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好的方向我們現在全力以赴那因為考量國際情勢我們現在透過各種管道包括外交途徑等等我們希望跟我們理念相近的國家共同合作因為海底電腦是我們國家的生命線對外的生命線那這個都是互相連結的所以希望更希望亞太地區相關國家共同合作這一部分相關部會持續努力中 |
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好來我再進一步請教你所謂的相關合作當然現在一定要先去跟人家談嘛透過我們的外交管道或者是透過一些國安的系統可能是要跟這些國家去商談嘛那你商談之後的合作模式 |
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未來會不會顯示在我們的修法的這個層級裡頭你說我們的現在的修法的幅度會不會太過於太過於輕或者是說這個是其實我們跟印太區域的這幾個國家大家相對來講都有一定的默契在執法上面在各個國家在他們的法定的修正上面其實大家會有一定的默契去執行那 |
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除了海底電纜可能被切斷之後 |
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有沒有其他的補強措施或者是應急的措施也是可以其他的印太區域國家大家一起共同合作的你只要回答我有或者是沒有就好我不要了解你的細部因為這個細部問題有可能是牽涉到國家機密包括親自分享包括共同打擊相關的類似活動那另外在修法部分對於有意圖危害國家安全跟社會安定 |
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提高刑責已經到10年而且罰金是5000萬所以這部分有可以發生相當嚇阻所以你覺得現在行政院的版本這個修法的刑責跟罰則你認為是OK的可以達到嚇阻效果根據原報告 紅帶58號不僅是我們台灣第一次破壞立案起訴判決有罪案件更是全世界第一例包括歐洲國家相關國家都在了解我們的應處過程所以這部分應該可以發揮到適時的嚇阻效果OK 好 了解 謝謝 |