| IVOD_ID |
164833 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164833 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T12:30:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T12:40:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51bc1cfd6e3b8dce23c033660070f94f421e9be59762a4979eaec69ac5727ffa9d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:30:51 - 12:40:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長及勞動部就「臺鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討、改善員工職場安全及勞動條件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部鐵道局局長就「全台軌道建設進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請交通部陳部長還有鐵道局楊局長 楊局長請國賢好部長好局長好 |
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部長局長本期看到根據交通部提供的資料截至一百一十一年九月桃園鐵路地下化整體進度只有百分之三十三點七十一那原本核定的經費呢是一千零四十七點九十三億那後來修正後呢暴增到一千八百一十七億那整體增加了高達七百六十九點八億那其中因為營建市場他的波動了那佔了四百零八億都市計畫還有設計審議呢延誤呢 |
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佔了110億還有平震段南延工程115億等那這樣的經費膨脹的幅度幾乎是原本的預算的四分之三部長 局長請問這樣是不是算工程當初估算不實還是因為行政審查太慢了所以導致成本外溢請說明 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告我想這兩年大部分的我們軌道建設都有類似的這樣的一個調整那最主要因素當然是市場上對於缺工跟缺料而導致整個經費的增加那剛剛委員也有特別提到因為逃避這個計畫還增加了所謂的憑證端的難演 |
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所以還有另外一個就是在督設省的過程當中把原來規劃的一些地面的這個停車場改設為地下所以就增加了我們整個建造的成本是那局長桃園段他的招標段有30標那目前僅完成15標那剩餘的標案要等修正計畫之後他核定之後才能辦理那這樣的行政時程您認為合理嗎 |
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我想目前我們還是按照原來修正的部分就是122年第一階段通車如果能夠順利爭取到行政院的核定的話其實看到的這些標案數我們現在大概最主要差三個主體工程標 |
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其他的十幾個標都是搭配的所謂的系統標或者是這個後續的這個軌道基墊等等的這個問題所以我們趕快 因為局長本期有發現計畫是卡在中央還有地方協調之間嘛 部長那國發會原則上他已經同意簽成行政院那本期想要和您確認為什麼交通部還沒有辦法確定修正的期程呢我們要等院整個行政院整體核定那我們也在爭取當中我們會跟院這邊來溝通盡量加速 |
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盡量加速OK好那這不只是工程的延宕那是否交通部可以比照因為捷運的重大工程他都有專案管理的辦公室嗎那我們鐵道局是不是也能比照辦理我們每個案子應該都是我們每個案子我們其實是我們自己有內部的這個管理你們有內部的管理那你們多久公開一次呢 |
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公開就是他的進度還有預算應該是隨時每個月都在做更新每個月都有在更新公布在哪裡在我們的局的官網官網上面可以查閱的到OK好謝謝局長局長先請回那這邊也請我們台鐵的鄭董事長 |
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董事長好根據台鐵114年度的安全管理報告您知道去年整年共發生多少起的行車事故嗎大約行車事故我們去年是包括還有行車異常的事件總共是大大小小就979件 |
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979件 沒錯 那其中行車事故佔了48件嘛 931件是行車異常事件那比112年的時候還上升了27%那其中車輛故障268件它運轉還有保安裝置故障175件 外物入侵是81件那這代表什麼 這顯示內部的維修還有循跡的能力下降那還有更關鍵的是什麼 就是人為操作錯誤還有設備老化也是其中的原因 |
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那至於台鐵當初說要公司化的初衷要提升管理效率是背道而馳的那董事長您知道嗎在勞動條件 工會也有統計有三成的員工每個月都超班都加班超過45個小時也出現了連續執勤14個小時以上您知道這樣的狀況嗎 |
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有的我們有幾件在去年跟今年都有這些意見都有這樣的一個情況是不是可以請董事長說明為什麼台鐵公司化後勞動條件沒有改善反而是惡化了呢 |
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我想這是在基層主管的督導並不是很確實那同仁也沒有說這樣的一個sense所以有這樣的一個違反勞動條件的情況那現在的話我們已經積極要求來改善這樣的情況除了宣導同仁這樣的一個情況以外也加強這個飢餓的工作 |
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加強集合的工作那台鐵公司你們的報告也有提到113年度辦理你們有辦理43場的安全集合那結案率是73%那也代表還有超過幾百件的風險沒有改善什麼時候可以改善我想我們很努力的在做這個改善的工作希望在年底前我們會在這個集合方面做更多的強化 |
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當然是要努力 這邊也請我們勞動部的副處長副處長好 副處長勞動部有沒有將國營事業排除在高風險的勞檢名單之外 請您說明 |
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報告委員我們針對鐵道運輸業列入排檢的那個對象那我們那個近三年針對台鐵實施勞動檢查大概有229場那總共有22場的違反那違反率大概是9.68累計的裁判本身台鐵有沒有在你們重大勞動風險失業名單裡面有那你們多久進行稽查 |
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我們檢查機構會依照這個風險的頻率去做排檢OK好謝謝副署長的說明那再來董事長現在和您討論月台的防護的設施嚴重落後而且你們的AI監控誤判率高旅客的安全目前看起來是靠運氣你們安全報告中全國有242個車站平交道監視器還有防護無線電覆蓋率不到四成那近三年累積的旅客墜軌事件有190件 |
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那平均這樣算起來每週都超過一起那你們的AI辨識系統誤判率高達12%到18%你們要怎麼來做改善 |
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我想這個AI防護這個部分主要就是在鞭撥這一部分因為在去年這個那時候還是在這個系統本身還算是在測試之中所以有很多的這個漏但是現在這個防護的部分已經做好大概99.5%以上的這個可靠度了所以那如果這樣AI誤判然後導致就是旅客還是就是行車的事故或是旅客受傷那這責任歸屬在哪裡 |
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是歸在廠商站務員還是你們還是交通部台鐵公司我想這個都應該歸公司啦所以怎麼講都是公司要負責這個部分那以這一次這個大石頭滾落然後把這個AI的這個防護系統打掉這個纜線這部分的話我們除了說 |
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趕快恢復這個系統以外我們就馬上有做一個緊急的處置就是說在這個情況之下我們馬上要求車輛減速慢行另外請教董事長你們就是只有兩個站務員來監控旅客的安全那這樣的配置你們是依據安全的評估還是人力成本的考量請問兩個監護人員什麼意思就是在你們各大車站的高峰時段每個月台只有兩個站務人員監控旅客的安全 |
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那是在台北這邊是在台北這邊只有兩名這樣子人力夠嗎我們本來是三名那最近就是因為有一位資源到這個台北車站的一樓那現在11月份以後我們已經把它補齊11月份以後會補齊所以你們有信心11月份以後再招這批招聘已經招了對11月會補齊因為這個保全的人員已經專責來駭客 |
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OK好那最後再請教董事長那你們有推動一個高風險車站優先的改善計劃115年底前你們會完成30處的高旅運車站防護系統建置您有把握115年可以完成嗎這30處 |
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法務委員那這部分的話我們現在目前就會按照著計畫來進行其他詳細的進度會再跟委員來做一個說明OK那也請台鐵公司就是改善AI你們誤判率的系統的問題OK以保乘客的安全好謝謝董事長 |