iVOD / 164826

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IVOD_ID 164826
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164826
日期 2025-10-29
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-4-15-8
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 4
會議資料.會次 8
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-10-29T12:04:26+08:00
結束時間 2025-10-29T12:26:31+08:00
影片長度 00:22:05
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 陳雪生
委員發言時間 12:04:26 - 12:26:31
會議時間 2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長,就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告,並備質詢。 二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。 【法律案僅詢答】 【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 對我們海嵐二號裡面12隻星的海嵐弄斷兩隻星後來被海巡把他帶回來海巡帶回來以後大概就把他留置了並沒有拘留啊幹什麼等等都沒有那其中斷了兩星那現在中華電信我跟他們協調因為大陸那邊跟我們聯絡
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 大陸跟我們聯絡,那現在已經和解了那他賠了25萬那這案子已經到我們連江地檢署當然地檢署那邊依法行政嘛,他們會去處理那已經調解完畢了那這問題是不大了現在這個人,人在馬祖也沒有拘留,也沒有留置,也沒有收押那這個人怎麼回去,是個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 我曾經也打電話給我們那個宜峻 宜峻組長宜峻組長也有去協調那這個人呢 現在兩種方式嘛一個是 署裡面很像講 預案要有大通證謝謝宜峻組長 多謝你協助 禮拜六禮拜六放假我還找他 他一直很熱心 在努力這個事情一個大通證大通證他說要見到人 大陸那邊講要見到人頭才能有大通證
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 因為我們現在海基跟陸委會跟對面已經不通了嘛已讀不回了嘛已經對幹啦 已經火車對撞了嘛沒有協調的人啦 是不是那現在勒一個大統政的方式一個是時間暫停一下時間暫停
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 你海巡把他帶回來 現在人怎麼給他弄回去你不能被人家求啊我們每天要提供他便當耶這個案子齁 因為這個他是應該是因為在我們海巡把他帶進來的啦應該是海巡帶進來的啦所以他並不是標準的所謂的偷渡啦他是等於是非法
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 斷纜 等於是非法他應該是涉及到國安的問題啦合解的現在沒有這個問題啦沒有斷纜的問題啦能合解啦案子已經合解啦跟委員報告那原來我們移送給地檢署以後地檢署檢察官裁定這個人是由移民署來收容收容 收容多久啊這就不是我們斷纜的原因已經消失了嘛因為他合解啦
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 那賠獎金也賠啦 25萬也收啦已經沒事啦那你們要把他養到嗎移民署總有預案嘛 總有個方案啊你移民署總要有個對策嘛對不對其實這個部分齁 這個部分我們要把他驅逐出境但是問題是他沒有大通證 大陸那邊不會收那他如果有大通證你們要不要放他走會啊
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 如果是他發的他應該就會收我們對海關會放棄嗎 我們的移民組會放棄嗎我們會發臨時出境許可 讓他一次性的 讓他回去也可以吧 好 那這樣就OK了啦那不然的話也要按照前例嘛 要漁船送回去另外署長 馬祖現在的人球有多少個你知道嗎大陸的人球有三十幾個你們沒關係喔 那個海巡要養到 要養到
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 委員我們一直有在走程序請問有人放心因為他必須要走三階段所以我們目前程序要走三四年嗎我早知道等你們程序走完才答應你們維持這個三階段我們一直沒辦法突破這一點我們很希望他被當作國防設施可是他沒辦法被當作國防設施你說走什麼程序 三階段對 三階段審議現在走到哪一階段
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 還在一階段還是二階段第二階段還在二階段我回去找縣政府發個函給你們我們跟你終止
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 我們跟你統治 你看好不好 你慢慢去三階段啦這個委員是氣話我了解但是三階段的問題我們一直非常非常希望能夠突破但是畢竟我們不是國防部所以他們辦法突破這個部分我們跟國防單位一直都交涉非常久把救生大隊把它弄走
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 然後把土地給你們不過委員我們已經走到第二階段也算是一個突破我跟你講你跟上面報告再給你兩個月時間齁不行的話我們終止齁我跟你講這個土地不給你們我知道委員的關心的程度讓委員說了這樣的氣話但是我們事實上走三階段是一直在努力你們話講 主委你話講再多沒有用啦我跟你講啦你給我耽誤了放在閒置的三四年了我們現在的發展讓你這樣子玩法不可能的
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 我們現在不可能讓你這樣玩啦我們也很關心它中間的設計所以在這個設計的過程當中我們也非常非常聽取地方的意見然後做了很多很多的修正委員也知道那些過程所以委員我們不是閒置喔我們不知道這個過程喔 署長你會後來跟我報告一下好不好哪有這樣閒置在這個地方呢好 另外還有一個問題 主委
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 前幾天發現一條豬死豬啊在我們北竿的秦碧海岸發現這條豬發現的是紅斑點是陽性反應是豬瘟你們怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 我們按照SOP非常謹慎的處理完畢,最後有焚毀跟掩埋焚毀?有焚毀跟掩埋你搞錯了吧?是掩埋欸焚毀以後才掩埋,我們不可能不焚毀他去哪裡焚毀?
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 委員我們焚毀而掩埋在北竿秦碧哪個焚化廠來焚毀跟委員報告那你沒有燒毀的地方嗎跟委員報告我們根據房間所的SOP我們有焚毀跟掩埋那事後我們會把那個整個的影片給委員看好不好請問有沒有放心我們不會不焚毀而掩埋最後一個問題那個李請回防疫有沒有來防疫齁
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 你們中正機場最讓人詬病的是國人進來回家歸心事件你們搞了一套人馬在那邊是不是排隊排好久好久我跟你講現在正好朱溫出來了這個到底朱溫怎麼出來了他是在台中發現的不是桃園你出來的話海關這邊又有一套防疫人員在那邊苟文來文去的裡面又搞一套全世界哪個國家這樣子搞
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 然後這個老闆有來找我 哎呀你如果這個不給我們做的話我們這些人要失業了我也從善如流啊 我也不砍你們預算啊不砍你們預算 但你服務態度要好 速度要快嘛對不對 你那個檢查呢翻箱倒櫃不是翻箱倒櫃 皮包打開 拉鍊打開你一個一個在那邊弄 共產黨也沒這樣搞啊全世界哪個國家 你舉例說明給我聽聽看
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 妳是署長嗎是 委員好 這表示真的大家都很嚴格在做執行那這個確實也是它的必要性因為畢竟非洲豬瘟它可以經由我們人為攜帶或我們的腳底等等這些病人會有交叉的感染那至於說我們的服務態度或者是速度方面我想我們都來個不是妳這個兩套是哪一國有
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 日本有嗎 馬來西亞有嗎 香港有嗎全世界已經39個國家都有非洲豬瘟那有人這樣搞兩套的防疫嗎我們通報現在台灣是變第40個那在亞洲地區不是我問你署長我們有哪一個國家搞兩套的這樣防疫像我們中正機場這樣即便台灣這麼嚴格我跟委員報告從我們
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 手提行李的氣質桶裡面去檢測那你松山跟高雄呢松山跟高雄要不要搞都搞幾個沒關係連馬祖也來搞金門也來搞問題很大啦
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 報告委員那松山跟這個台中的部分是因為腹地的關係但是因為他全部都要經過X光的做處理跟檢疫權的處理但是因為他人流比較多風險比較高所以這個部分其實也是幫我們旅客啦為什麼因為你在這個的首體安檢過假設你被檢出你不用罰可是你到X光機你被檢出那麼他就會裁罰裁罰一次就20萬
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 這是你講的話啦 沒關係啦你不要在松山機場出事情不要在高雄出事情你不要在這個金門馬祖出事情金門馬祖出事情啊你也搞一套啊 你也搞一套來啊你叫哪一家公司那個也來啊我懷疑這個朱溫哪裡來是海邊來的啦 我跟你講啦所以今天海關署長關鍵署長也在這邊嘛其實我跟你講 他要從海邊來啊
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 海邊漁船走失的多少啊多少豬肉多少牛肉啊你進往這邊金門馬祖那邊去查幹什麼金門發生豬瘟了嗎金門發生口蹄馬祖豬肉也要管制金門跟馬祖差很遠欸差很遠很遠金門跟馬祖沒有互通你知道嗎金門人到馬祖要從松山機場轉機再過來一點關聯都沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 所以你們的觀念要弄清楚好不好你在防疫署我覺得有狀況這次非洲豬瘟我想問題我直接的判斷應該從海邊出現尤其武吉港那邊是從海邊出現任何的可疑的我們都會追查國人同胞會把牛肉乾什麼豬肉乾帶進來我看機率不高啦你們要搞兩套人馬我看你們什麼時候沒完沒了了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 這個單位沒完沒了嗎 一直這樣搞下去搞兩套嗎國人在罵死了你知道嗎哪一個國人回國了嗎 被你們這樣拿去搞這個報告委員請體諒一下確實基於防疫的立場我不是體諒你啊 大家都要體諒你還是要加強提高整個的一個防疫的措施所以這個真的是有必要畢竟是我們背後的產生這麼大那你松山機長也來啊
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 小港機場也來啊 為什麼不來也都有在做評估都是國際嘛 金門馬祖也來啊你為什麼馬祖不搞一套 你搞一套給我那問題也很大 也要搞兩套的防疫嘛是不是 你們錢很多嗎
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 你們去想一想好不好你們自己回國的時候 你是走哪個通道啊你走綠色通道嗎你也去排隊假設我們從日本來的話 那麼我們就不會走我們走綠線就不會走那裡但是其他39個國家進來的就一定要走首檢區
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 香港 澳門 日本 馬來西亞 泰國有搞兩套嗎 還有我跟委員報告有搞兩套嗎 也沒看到豬瘟出現啊從我們氣質區的採樣送檢那個陽性比例達到10%所以這個是我們不得不謹慎對待之啦我跟你講啦 你海邊都注意一下啦海邊啦 我們跟海巡的協助海巡啦 海關啦 你對海邊 海岸啦你多注意一下啦莫名其妙這個死豬肉媽從哪裡跑出來
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 我們馬祖都跑出來啊是不是 難道是中山機場入境呢還是中山機場入境呢 然後跑到馬祖去傳染給豬嗎怎麼可能在馬祖的這個驗出是陽性以後我們就整個都公告禁止到11月1號 不行他的豬肉跟所有的加工品都不能到台灣跟所有的離島還有馬祖的雞蛋不能過來我們土生的雞蛋要檢查
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 那你台灣的雞蛋到馬祖區要被檢查 也要檢查喔也要貼我們馬祖養的羊沒有進雞蛋進什麼雞蛋我們父母親在馬祖辛辛苦苦養一些土雞女兒在台灣做月子 土雞帶到台灣去要經過你們防疫人員檢疫我請問這什麼道理啊我們是次等公民嗎 還是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 馬祖是不是中華民國的豬餵我現在跟你講雞了啦雞跟鴨跟羊啦我們羊肉帶來我們有養羊啊帶來你們也要說要檢疫啊要防疫啊以前要農會開證明欸農會怎麼開沒有道理嘛 是不是
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 我們的雞拿到台灣來 可是報告委員畢竟這個離島 包括馬祖來講 距離大陸太近了我們馬祖沒有因為沒有因為這種事情真的相對高所以我們要特別的注意因為從我們的這個資料顯示上來講其實有很多的風險都是來自於中國大陸所以我們更要針對這個邊境尤其是在離島的靠近我在馬祖生活的七十幾年我吃了以後啊
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 也沒病也沒幹什麼的很像你們這些檢疫人員看到你們就生病了我吃的都沒病啊 你是看了一眼就生病了很奇怪有那麼緊張嗎防疫是要做 我絕對同意但是你們嚴格到我們自己國人養的雞跟雞生的蛋跟我們國人養的羊也要經過你們防疫檢查才能夠進到台灣來
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 我們上飛機要檢查我從來沒有為難過你們召委你請坐沒關係你不要急好不好因為時間的關係召委已經站起來了你們回去檢討一下我剛才所講的問題如果有檢討的空間我們檢討但也請委員提到防疫是要全國一致性不能有任何的破口謝謝