| IVOD_ID |
164820 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164820 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T11:13:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T11:22:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51a9e695af0746cfc5198a631d8f132014a1aee410a7bf192f1177a1dd1b6395705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:54 - 11:22:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法律案僅詢答】
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
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主席請博士長我們博長拜託一下博士長你好今天下午的一定要換你今天下午的同步表請你在這禮拜來跟國管局有私底的管局 |
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所有的獨立的這份的檢測的通報表請你分析好 我要轉達環境部如期提出你剛才說的嘛 五月開始嘛不是不是 其他各縣市跟台中的包括台中的一星期來提供分析是是是 好不好好 我要轉達再來剛才你說說不出來有很多選擇你沒做 |
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屬實的都有責 我知道你們都有責所以你要說你沒有責 所以做成這個破口對你有比較危難啦 不是這樣啦我要做在大堆基座裡面來 好 謝謝 補充補充辛苦了 你是內閣裡面的 閣門的教授真的在基站出來 透過民意檢驗很了解民意的密切度的人 |
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謝謝 本席對您的包括這個馬太安山的岩石瓦曾經幫您簽訂過這是一個真有關跟實有關不一樣的地方擔當這個領領嘛所以這有問題是面對包括龍逸坡你看像現在岩珠靠的這種事情就提早處理了過去如果是馬太安山在要封台立要成立彩虹中心的時候 |
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就已經去處理 今天還沒有這樣的事情但是 看到事務官好 整個內閣倒影中這種小的體 想辦法提供花蓮關一半又想辦法要提供台中市 我覺得沒意思是沒有啦 你想 沒嘛 沒就好了五費啦 五費 委員五費啦你如果沒有 其他的人就不要再等那些茶廳回到委員五費啦 |
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到營中為什麼要去拜訪蘇營中我說給你聽嘛蘇營中來自地方嘛 |
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他在地方做過管道嘛 所以地方的管道很清楚嘛風雨這個事情完全是中央的一種 中央的理念嘛所以 蘇國蘇伊洲你看看 他冬季是大雨的甚至他第一時間去到海關 去到島嶼在四環雖然他有針對上 我們坦白說對中國大陸大隔空的 |
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也要他收下來啊他是不是收下來啊我知道啦 啊所以 倒移到這一段話來就是都要拚剩低啊拚到破口出來啊沒辦法啊這台中怎麼樣 台中 大家都說要去台中後來他去找 |
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整個行政一定要索性創益所以中央地方沒有通力合作破口就會出來嘛 |
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很簡單啊 結果 我知道很努力啦但是啦 太多像你這樣啦 齁 知道說事情在哪裡最重要啦 不能做的不白 聽的料到你賠對不對 我不會誤會啦 我每天在觀察我才會誤會吃得好 吃醋吃得好啦 吃不得好 你忍心吃一醋就沒用啦我做你 出入境是你管的啦 |
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我一個進來海關不是你關的啦結果我問那個關完所有的行李就對了就是要檢查 我說感冒無盡我看這一檔外來我出出入入每次都把我帶去檢查 都過X關啊前後有疑問他就檢查 非常的厭倦啊他跟我說對啊 我們就是都這樣啊所以我認為這個 |
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驚鴻啊 變改啊 事實上有什麼也無關的結果三黨兩國就拿北的三無雙本身在這裡請教你就是說對這個立憲的部分 到今天你也不知道破口就到了也不知道來源是什麼了就開始在政治操作 這不是處理事情的味覺 |
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沒有啦 今天在這裡大家其實都很舒服是啊 但是大家都說話待遲啊不然可能有誤會啊不然想要塞...不會塞到地方來作出政治利益 我跟你說啦 賣錢啦絕對賣錢啦譬如說啊 剛才在說廚藝的本源 我等一下要過來問朋友 |
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全世界人在噴是怎樣噴可以做治療他不是輕輕的噴給你吃不是這樣開多久 開幾十年了 這裡降 降到發 噴化作治療是答案喔答案包好 還不會給滴溶滴溶的身份有完的感覺雖然不像在吃噴吃的 但是安全保障 |
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我待會要看他是不是要去做了所以我本身跟你建議海關這裡不要再牽扯到海關上面有破口了我去那裡出出入入他們對出入境的管理 我們坦白說 做得有優勢這就送機時 送移到去到那裡的時候 到今天你沒改變這幾天來所有的委員我問起來 出入大家都 |
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你跟維吾爾也一樣啊 跟小卡邦一樣很嚴重但是我們的出入境就對了所有從東南亞來的因為飲食文化不一樣他們很喜歡吃故鄉的烤肉有時候在進來的時候 或是安裝沒得到 不知道 嚴重沒得到他們吃出來的蛋就是粉了所以今天大家會把這個目標放在這個粉裡面 |
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阿本來在你現在禁毒 禁運我是認為 你要把你的精神 斷了以後 現在歸來過你已經超過抖音了 因為他的心態和你不一樣 |
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對這個負責任的態度譬如說 假如你負責任 你負責任你居然說你負責任假如不是你的事都要報的你把他罵出來 但是他還要叫起來哼 屁唔敢負責所以真的啊 我在說對 我說媽太安慶啊你敢跟我說就是都要報的 囂張他還要叫起來 他還要跟你說東南 他們是西北 |
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那就沒意思了 政府官如果不要負責任 下面的事務官大家就嚇壞了我們可以不用說了 會有操控 不能說了反正拚的時候 拚的時候就有側翼的替我們說了我沒有跟你們講過幾項 你是不是記不住人我沒有記不住 你公園社福這就是農業部的權責但是你有啦 你的部分就是救災指揮中心的指揮官 |
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所以我跟妳談到那天...我跟妳講...我跟妳講...我跟妳講...我跟妳講...這是台獨的問題啦 |
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所以你內進部齁這個勞部長的態度齁要出來啦你聽到沒有你要學習這個部長的作風啦他很優秀的 我要給他學習對不起 委員謝謝感謝你謝謝 |
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謝委員龍介：（11時13分）主席，請杜署長、部長，拜託一下。署長，你好。請你在這個禮拜之內，將有養豬的各縣市所有廚餘檢核通報表整理給本席。 |
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杜署長麗華：好，我會轉達環境部，如期提出。 |
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謝委員龍介：你剛才說的從5月開始，那麼其他各縣市…… |
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杜署長麗華：不是、不是…… |
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謝委員龍介：其他各縣市，包括臺中的，這個禮拜之內提供給本席，好不好？ |
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杜署長麗華：是，我轉達。 |
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謝委員龍介：再來，剛才你說不出來，說是有很多宣導你沒做，事實上都有做，我知道你們都有做，所以硬要說你沒做，以致造成這個破口，對你比較為難啦！不是這樣的，我前天才從機場進來。好，謝謝。 |
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杜署長麗華：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：部長，辛苦了。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員好。 |
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謝委員龍介：你是內閣閣員中少數真的出身自基層，通過民意檢驗很了解民意的人。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：感謝。 |
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謝委員龍介：包括針對馬太鞍山的堰塞湖，本席也曾經肯定過你，這是政務官跟事務官不同的地方，就是擔起責任而已嘛！就算有錯，也是面對。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：包括農業部，你看像現在燕子口這種事情，就提早處理了嘛！過去如果馬太鞍山在還沒有颱風、還沒成立災防中心的時候就已經處理，今天也沒有這些事情了！但是看到事務官也好，整個內閣、卓院長這種的互相推拖，想辦法把責任推給花蓮縣，這次又再想辦法要推給臺中市，我覺得沒意思！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：沒有啦！可能有誤會。 |
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謝委員龍介：沒有嘛！沒有就好！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：誤會啦！委員誤會了。 |
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謝委員龍介：如果沒有，其他人就不要再「挔柴添火著」。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員誤會啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：卓院長為什麼要去拜訪蘇院長？我講給你聽！蘇院長來自地方…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：我想是交流經驗。 |
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謝委員龍介：他在地方做過縣長，所以地方的縣長很清楚嘛！防疫這種事情完全是中央的職權、中央的能量嘛！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：分工，第一時間還是要靠地方。 |
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謝委員龍介：你看看蘇院長當時態度那麼強硬，甚至他第一時間到海關、到哪裡去示範，雖然他有針對性，我們坦白說對中國大陸再強硬，也讓它守住了啊！對不對？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：那是最接近我們的疫區。 |
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謝委員龍介：它是不是守住了？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員，你看有二十多個陽性都是在馬祖、金門。 |
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謝委員龍介：我知道啦！卓院長這一年多來都在拚政治啊，拚到破口出來，沒辦法了！就說這是臺中怎麼樣，大家都指責臺中，後來他才去向前行政院長蘇貞昌請益，蘇院長跟他說，中央、地方沒有通力合作，破口就會出來嘛！很簡單啊！結果…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：大家現在都很努力啦！委員。 |
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謝委員龍介：我知道努力啦，但是如果態度像你這樣……要知道事情在哪裡，對症下藥！不要癢的不抓，痛的抓到破皮！對不對？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員有誤會啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：我不會誤會啦！我每天在觀察，怎麼會誤會？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：卓院長第一時間…… |
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謝委員龍介：吃對藥，青草吃一葉！吃錯藥，人蔘吃一石都沒用啦！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：現在中央全面下去幫忙了！ |
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謝委員龍介：出入境、海關不是你管的，前天我入境，海關官員對所有行李都要檢查，我問他們會沒有錢嗎？這一年多來我進進出出，我看每一個行李箱都要打開來檢查，都要過X光機，前面稍微有疑問它就檢查，非常嚴格！他們告訴我：對啊！我們都是這樣啊！所以我認為邊境防檢事實上跟預算也無關，結果繞來繞去就說到刪預算。 |
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本席在這裡請教，入境的部分到今天還不知道破口在哪裡，還不知道來源是什麼，就開始在政治操作了，這不是處理事情的訣竅。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：沒有啦！今天在這裡大家其實都很就事論事，委員。 |
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謝委員龍介：是啊！但是大家都說話帶刺。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員可能有誤會啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：不要想推給地方來奪取政治利益，我跟你說，不會得利啦！絕對不會得利的。譬如剛才在說廚餘的部分，我等一下還要再去問彭部長，為什麼日本就可以把廚餘拿去做飼料？他們不是煮滾了就給豬吃、不是這樣耶！要花錢，花幾十億真的去工業化，把廚餘做成飼料，是乾的喔！然後包好才賣給豬農，豬農的成本仍然會降低，雖然不像直接吃廚餘這麼低，但是有安全保障，我等一下要問問看他是不是會這一套。 |
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所以本席跟你建議，不要再牽扯什麼海關有破口了，我進進出出，他們對出入境的管理，我們坦白說，做得是有落實的！這就是當時蘇院長到那裡……直到今天都沒有改變。我問了所有的委員這幾年來他們出入境的情況，就連委員也一樣，即使是提一個小包包照樣要檢查。但是你們的出入境檢查對於所有從東南亞來的這些，因為飲食文化不同，他們很多人都愛吃故鄉的口味，有時東西在帶進來的時候還是怎樣，不知道是不是檢查不到，他們吃剩的丟掉後就是餿水了，這就是為什麼今天大家會把這個目標指向廚餘這裡。針對廚餘，你現在是禁屠宰禁運，我是認為你要用你的精神去帶領整個內閣，這樣你就已經超越卓院長了，為什麼？因為他的心態跟你不一樣。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：不是啦，委員，你實在是很不喜歡他耶！ |
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謝委員龍介：你對這件事負責任的態度，譬如說該你負責的你負責，你是指揮官你就負責，如果不該是你的而是農業部的，你就敢把他點出來，但是他卻直接縮了起來，他不敢負責，真的啊！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：沒有啦！委員，你說的是哪件事？ |
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謝委員龍介：我是在說哪件事？我說的是馬太鞍溪啊！你就敢跟我說那是農業部的權責，但他卻縮了起來，當作你是在講東南，而他是西北，那樣就沒意思了。 |
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政務官如果不負責任，下面的事務官們就會變得軟爛，覺得我們可以不用說啊！這裡有臭洞不能說啊！反正被爆出來的時候…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員記錯了，我沒跟委員說這件事。 |
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謝委員龍介：爆出來的時候就會有側翼替我們說，也有人會擔啊！對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我不記得有說過這個，你是不是記錯人了？ |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
謝委員龍介：我沒記錯啦！你有說過堰塞湖就是農業部的權責嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：沒有，我不曾說過這個。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
謝委員龍介：有啦！你的部分就是救災指揮中心的指揮官，所以我是在肯定你那天…… |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我是海委會……你沒質詢過我啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
謝委員龍介：我在質詢你，結果你卻不記得？ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：你說的是劉部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
謝委員龍介：不是劉部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我不是部長，我是主委。 |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
謝委員龍介：對不對？我是在跟你說，還這樣誇獎你…… |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我們…… |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
謝委員龍介：這是態度的問題啦！所以你們內政部劉部長的態度要出來啦！你有聽懂嗎？你要學習部長的作風啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：他很優秀，我會跟他學習。對不起，委員謝謝！ |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
謝委員龍介：好，感謝你。 |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
主席：謝謝謝龍介委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[61][1] |
接下來我們請鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員不在。 |
| gazette.blocks[61][2] |
現在請丁學忠委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
244 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
李柏毅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
丁學忠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
175 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-10-29 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1148901 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1148901_00005 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員
會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討
與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條
條文修正草案」案【僅詢答】 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1148901_00004 |