| IVOD_ID |
164817 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164817 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T10:44:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:57:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da510cce2f78745323a0198a631d8f132014a1aee410a7bf192fb268d5fed35f2e155ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:57 - 10:57:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法律案僅詢答】
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 本席有請內政部次長有請馬市長委員好次長好 我想前面的委員大家也都非常的重視我們的邊境管控那怎麼樣嚴防吸入 |
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那本席看到内政部的报告里面只强调筛检39个重点航班本席不禁想要询问难道猪瘟的病毒它只会搭乘重点航班吗各位报告我们是39个疫区国家的航班不是只有39个航班所以航班制度蛮多的39个疫区国家那我请问中转旅客的行李 |
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中转旅客行李还有小型渔船的走私当然刚刚前面的委员也有问到包含离岛口岸还有快递货物这些查气强度如何补足报委我们现在基本上39个疫区国家含中转的部分我们都会查验所以只要是有经过疫区国家来的航班的旅客我们会查验 |
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那疫区国家目前是农业部根据WAH的这个标准来公告它是不止39个所以对所以就如果不是疫区国家我们都这个就不可能这个猪瘟的病毒就不会进来吗是这样疫区国家跟非疫区国家的差异在于说我们如果是非疫区国家的旅客入境的话我们还是会在边境有海关的人员做抽检 |
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所以它的這個抽檢的這個洞穴是不一樣的你一定會抽檢到有的有株瘟病毒的你一定會抽檢到嗎這就是問題好沒關係接著那小型遺傳走私這個部分怎麼辦那是海巡那麻煩海巡 |
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跟委員報告我們現在從107年開始那個鄰近國家發生非洲豬瘟的案例以後我們從107年開始對於進港的所有傳播都百分之百安檢到現在強度都沒有減低是 |
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所有的小型渔船也都一片安静接着次长继续我们现在整个在防疫上我们还在用传统的X光机 |
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搭配人工判毒肉眼戰術這個國際好像都已經進入AI智能防疫了我們還是用人力人工這個部分我們人的疲勞還有科技的落差這個部分要加強改善好我們目前有跟委員報目前有AI的判試模組有AI的什麼大聲一點判試模組我們已經在進行了已經進行到怎麼樣 |
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請問我們現在有升級嗎X光機就是我們配合這個灌入所就海關那個儀器對於判讀的那個顏色形狀都可以來做這樣的一個判讀也是先進的這個X光儀器是儀器判讀不是人工判讀我們人是看儀器的判讀檢查過X光顯示在螢幕上根據它的顏色 |
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跟他的图样最终还是人工作最后的判定那一样啊你所有的AI也是要靠AI没有办法AI影像也是会显示出来应该是也会把这个影像显示出来是要靠我们人去做这样的说这个是不是属于猪肉品 |
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那把它分離出來我想這個部分AI的話它跳出來的我們就應該我們就應該直接就可以那個啦所以我們看到那個圖檔是屬於現在全面了嗎全面了嗎現在S光機都我們配合關於屬大概都全面在因為我們大概都全面到底全面的還是我們現在全面連19的S光機我剛剛跟文報告一下S光機是線型的啊你現在有用AI影像判讀嗎 |
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這個部分是有做結合的啦我跟委員報剛剛那個疫區那個部分就是三十五條疫區那個是全那個是那個是防檢署是所有的旅客的所攜帶的這些我們全檢啦那其他的國家也是的通行李來我們海跟海關聯一直在在入境的部分也是透過S方來檢查 |
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那所提的部分大概是由海關來做籌檢所以我們整個的防線絕對不能有縫隙我們也不能有科技落伍的這種系統潰敗絕對不行這部分我們應該是在更精進更精進看世界各國的狀況來進行本席要請農業部謝謝請回座本席想請農業部那個昭偉不好意思我們今天不是要請部長結果也沒有次長來 |
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部長因為今天在這個威環他們也有特別請過假農業部現在兩個還三個次長三位次長都沒有一個人可以來這一個還在那個前進中心那邊那我們請的是署長杜署長我們現在因為非洲豬瘟所以我們這個禁止全面禁止用廚餘來養豬 |
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署長我比較想問部長整個農業部有沒有了解廚餘啊你現在完全禁止的情況下 |
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署长署长您今天来就代表部长嘛不是他是跨部会的议题那也都在处理我知道你就是指环境部嘛但是这个指令当你要下说全面禁止厨余的时候那有没有考虑到猪农它的成本你现在厨余这么多它都没有了一个县市都是几百吨上千吨的 |
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我在这里要请署长要带回去因为你们整个农业部有没有了解厨余厨余除了分生厨余跟熟厨余之外其实还有一个更重要的重点它是固态跟液态所以有人建议说要高温蒸煮本席的了解是高温蒸煮 |
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固态的除以他内部不会他温度不会那么高你说要煮久一点一般他们也不可能因为那浪费他的能源成本所以固态跟液态分离除以固态液态分离 |
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液態可以很容易他就會煮沸那這個煮沸之後其實是還是可以等於他等於病毒殺死他還是可以當這個養豬的您的看法怎麼樣報告委員喔只要是廚藝當原料來餵養豬隻我們關注的重點就是病毒要不活化的溫度那他就是90度一個小時 |
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這個是一定要貫徹的所以您的意思是就算固液態分離他也沒辦法把病毒殺死嗎我要講是除以收來以後他是一個液態的除以收來有固液態都有 |
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都有啦其實理論上來講因為有時候水分就比較高那水分比較高你要當作餵養豬隻的時候你一定要蒸煮然後攪拌一個小時一個小時但從現在目前到了90度還要一個小時還是從開始煮開始90度以上一個小時這樣子你們就准許他 |
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拿廚餘去餵豬是不是我再報告一下現在廚餘這個管控是由環境部交由各地方政府去做處理那在過去的協調機制裡面地方政府要要求我們的環保單位要要求廚餘飼養豬隻的部分一定要做到所以他第一個他一定有檢核廠 |
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那第二個他去看他的當日上傳的資料影片有沒有落實那第三個假設有異樣那個集合大隊是一定要到這個現場去集合看他有沒有照這個標準程序去走 |
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那目前掌握的是有几个漏洞本席想建议的就是其实除于他应该是可以故意太分离固态的去堆肥固态的去堆肥他也不会去喂猪液态的您刚刚说对了一点液态的他占了70%到80%他液态的他容易煮沸他容易煮沸那液态的煮沸之后他就煮沸以后要持续一个小时 |
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所以這個才是關鍵才能夠讓他不活化所以重點就在假設他煮完像我們一般煮東西開了我就把它關掉對不起病毒人在那邊還是活化狀態所以為什麼要持續那個小時要貫徹 |
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就是非常重要所以现在你们的厨余还是可以养猪只要符合这个程序不行这段时间都不行对所以重点是不行的原因是什么原因 |
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我們現在已經禁載禁運那因為現在廚藝的風險高因為風險高所以完全禁止就對了在這段時間435戶的廚藝廠全部禁止那你們對於這些豬農他們長期本來都有配合的對不對他們現在突然間他哪裡那麼多飼料餵豬你們有補助嗎我跟委員報告有關 |
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廚餘養豬這個的政策已經在檢討慢慢的第一個階段一定要落實去檢核不是你現在下令了你現在下令你現在這樣的下令你知道豬農他們的衝擊嗎不是 |
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我們都知道每一個層級都會受到因為為了防疫但是有關除獄養豬退場的議題也正在研擬配合環境部跟我們部裡面在研擬怎麼的方式退場而能夠減少到除獄養豬的衝擊包括可能轉換飼料那轉換飼料之間有什麼獎勵的措施或退場 |
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或退場等等我現在講的是他們現在每天每天豬都要吃啊他們受到的衝擊你們有沒有任何措施這才是真正影響豬農最大的是那再跟報告委員就是這段15天的時候針對廚餘養豬戶也有給他們在飼料平台的媒合也給予一些相關的協助不會影響到他們目前你們準備多少來補助 |
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有有都你補助他們幾趴講不出來沒有沒有明確的我們會根據這樣的飼料差額去給他們補助就像之前在飼料差額意思說他因為這個衝擊多出來要買飼料的你們全額補助嗎我們就是會依照相關的這樣的一個我們有在其實在110年的時候9月我們就已經有處理過這樣的一樣 |
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的一個做法當時也是有跟這個農民有互相這一次我們就會用一樣的這樣的一個計算的方式來補助他們在這一段時間因為要轉去買飼料然後做一些這樣的一個你們要深入去了解讓他們衝擊最小好不好 以上謝謝 |