| IVOD_ID |
164812 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164812 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T09:53:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:01:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51e4003b9691b6623b198a631d8f132014a1aee410a7bf192fb22339bbe58c964b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:53:11 - 10:01:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法律案僅詢答】
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
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主席,我們這裡農業部醫政署署長來,杜署長有請說實在,今天要說這個,實在說不太下去了署長,是,你知道今天的日期當時嗎?什麼時候嗎?你知道嗎?重陽節重陽節不是吧,今天九月 |
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我真的懷疑你今天當時就不知道你要來你們可能都記信了啦或是記錄了啦但是今天這個非常重要因為今天是重陽節是我們一黨想我們的四大人想要捏那個紅包讓他平安順時 |
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署長,我今天怎麼會這樣說呢?如果有拜拜,現在市長、縣長都很忙,都會一年三次今天重陽節,最重要的日子是紀念祖先的拜拜,你知道嗎? |
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我為什麼要跟你說這個因為我來自嘉義市你敢知道嘉義市的市長尤其是董事也好 藍萌菜也好 各市都沒有在馬當賣市長 是你來看嘉義市的董事在馬當你有看過嗎 |
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或是我現在給你看,你給我看,或是你知道你有沒有看見說,這個問題最重要 |
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我們在18、22號的時候 全國管制的時候就是靜宅禁運 那開始的時候 第一階段就這樣做我還不知道靜宅禁運 我是說署長 你的感受啦今天我們有嚴格 特工去 了解說這地點 它的分 有過沒 均到90%沒 |
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雖然他在那裡也想要賺錢他也不希望他的地來死地方政府有辦法去體諒這個老人沒辦法上船但是在這個過程整個國會前還有辦法上船是怎樣發生的事沒辦法上船地方政府覺得一個去關心一個 |
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市長是我們這個已經對這個什麼台中的資料出來開始針對這個廚餘沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落 |
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他的斟酌的時間也不夠所以這可能也是一個問題所以這就是那個什麼環保署這邊你追查說為什麼他怎麼會說這個部分地方政府他沒有按時懲罰署長你知不知道這個運用多大像你剛才說的 |
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營養兩千個名你覺得各行各業都會營養到賣保安的賣螺絲肉的賣安全的主要有地貨的地方台灣人都愛吃溫泰的溫泰的煮得更香結果你看現在 |
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現在你看到一個做生意的人他說要配合我們政府 |
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所以,署長,他最危險,是說感謝一路支持我的人你如果再倒來想,是不是我們要感謝這些做生意的人,支持我們中央的政策你看到現在,信心的信心,沒買沒買署長,這不是兩清一亮的 |
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這是非常嚴重的 你看他自己在當時 你看他用一個暫停箭 署長 我們要同理心 |
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是 報告委員這部份已經被你研究這部份已經被你研究這部份已經被你研究 |
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整個人你現在在研究沒有沒有沒有是在研究什麼不是,這禮拜就會提出方案經濟部就會提出方案對灘商的補助、補貼、獎勵措施經濟部已經在跨部會會議的時候已經有這樣的共識跟研擬了所以這禮拜經濟部會提出來市長,我告訴你們報酬的報酬 |
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像嘉義市,我剛才說的,你如果看到那裡的圖案,那裡的董事,你如果看,你如果看一下,你如果看,來看一張,你看,都沒有在做啦, |
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包括那個泡沫的包括在那裡做冷缸的都沒辦法吃透了所以受應用的宣洩的部分在這禮拜公佈的時候對他們一定有獎勵的措施啦所以跟委員報告有獎勵的措施市長本身跟你說的你們要回去研究不是賣豬肉的應用很大的喔再來所有的做生意的人 |
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都做沒辦法做生意這也影響很大的這後續的你們要去研議好對不對所以說市長在這裡本身要跟你說我們你剛才說的到目前為止是跟台中市長 |
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有問題 是 結果有問題的時候我每天來你們討資料 每天關心 關心到現在你們說的地方 也有兩個的所在檸檯有養性的 說實在 署長 也是他這間我都不知道他這間啦 自己都沒注意的聽結果不是他這間的問題 |
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你們的噴 政府的噴 他們在那邊 人們在那裡 人們在那裡太暑了 什麼的 自己吃下去 吐下去這是親親喪禮所以這不行 這絕對不行 要禁止絕對不行 現在人們噴 也吃下去環境部已經加強這個部分了是 市長 今天我怎麼說得這麼氣憤 |
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因為我相信台灣人 |
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吃豬肉 比吃牛肉 吃雞 吃鴨還要多所以在這個規定當中未來雞 鴨 牛肉 長大的時候你們要怎麼去處理販售的環境的經濟你們都要去保持好 我們都我們都已經在處理了跟你們不用緊張 跟他們怎麼做就怎麼做是是是以上好 謝謝 |
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王委員美惠：（9時53分）主席，請農業部防檢署署長。 |
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主席：請杜署長。 |
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王委員美惠：說實在，今天要談這個議題，實在講不太下去。署長知道今天的日子嗎？是什麼節日？你知道嗎？ |
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杜署長麗華：重陽節。 |
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王委員美惠：我真的會昏倒，你連今天是什麼日子都不知道，你要來…… |
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杜署長麗華：因為我們已經…… |
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王委員美惠：你們可能都記國曆的，不太記農曆的。今天的節日非常重要，因為今天是重陽節，是一年當中長輩最愛領紅包祈求平安順利的日子。署長，我今天怎麼會這樣跟你說呢？因為現在士農工商都很忙，如果是有拜拜的人都會利用一年三節，而今天重陽節是最重要的日子，為了紀念祖先要拜拜，你知道嗎？我為什麼會跟你說這個？因為我來自嘉義市，你知道嘉義市，不論東市場或南田市場，各個市場都沒有豬肉可以賣。署長，你來看嘉義市東市場的豬肉攤，你有看到嗎？還是我現在給你看，你才有看到？還是在早上你就發現這個問題的嚴重性？ |
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杜署長麗華：我們在10月22號全國管制開始禁宰禁運的時候，第一階段就是這樣做，所以就沒辦法…… |
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王委員美惠：我怎麼會不知道禁宰禁運？我是問署長的感受，今天我們如果有每天嚴格地去了解豬場的廚餘有沒有煮沸到90度，他養豬也是為了想要賺錢，他也不希望他的豬死亡，地方政府是否有體諒這個老人沒辦法上傳？不過在這個過程中，在幾個月前還有辦法上傳，為什麼在發生的時候沒辦法上傳？署長，地方政府有任何一個人去關心一下嗎？ |
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杜署長麗華：我們已經從臺中的資料查出來，他確實針對這個廚餘的部分沒有落實。 |
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王委員美惠：我怎麼會不知道是從臺中出來？不然是從哪個地方出來的？ |
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杜署長麗華：我跟王委員報告，以這個案場的廚餘來說：第一個是沒有按時陳報；第二個，它蒸煮的時間也不夠，所以這可能也是一個問題。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，為什麼會沒有按時陳報啦？ |
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杜署長麗華：所以環保署這邊正在追查，他沒有按時陳報，為什麼地方政府沒有去查…… |
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王委員美惠：署長，你知道這個影響有多大嗎？你剛剛說影響只有2,000億而已，你知道各行各業都會受到影響嗎？賣肉圓的、賣滷熟肉的、賣香腸的，都是以豬肉為主要原料，臺灣人都愛吃溫體豬肉，因為溫體豬肉煮起來比較香啊！結果你看在禁宰之後，有一個做生意的人在臉書貼文說要配合我們政府，他在最後有寫「感謝一路支持的你們」，署長，你如果再倒過來想，我們是不是要感謝這些做生意的人支持我們中央的政策？ |
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杜署長麗華：是。 |
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王委員美惠：你看看現在這些人，有人損失嚴重、有人不能賣了，署長，這不是只有2,000億而已，這是非常的嚴重，你看嘉義市的東市場按下暫停鍵，署長，我們要有同理心啦！哪裡做得不對，哪裡做得不好，地方政府如果不夠積極，我們中央是不是要協助他們？ |
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杜署長麗華：是，報告委員，這個部分已經有在研究，在這個禮拜就會公布，我們跟經濟部研擬對攤商的補助…… |
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王委員美惠：署長，都已經發生多少天了，你現在才要研究，是在研究什麼？ |
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杜署長麗華：不是，在這個禮拜就會提出方案，經濟部就會提出對攤商的補助、補貼、獎勵措施，在跨部會會議的時候已經有這樣的共識並進行研擬，所以經濟部在這個禮拜就會提出來。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，我說給你聽，你說到補助，我剛剛有跟你說過，你如果看到嘉義市東市場的那些攤販，你來看一下這一張，你看他們都沒有在做了，包括處理豬隻屠體的人還有在那裡打零工的人都沒有工作可做了！ |
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杜署長麗華：跟委員報告，對於受影響而損失的部分，在這個禮拜會公布，對他們一定有獎勵的措施。 |
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王委員美惠：有獎勵的措施？ |
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杜署長麗華：是。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，剛才本席跟你說的問題，你們要回去研究，不是只有對賣豬肉的人影響很大，所有做生意的人都沒有辦法做生意，這也是影響很大，所以對後續的部分你們要去研議。 |
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杜署長麗華：有。 |
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王委員美惠：好不好？ |
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杜署長麗華：好，我們遵辦。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，你剛剛說到目前為止只有臺中那個場有問題。 |
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杜署長麗華：是。 |
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王委員美惠：可是我每天跟你們要資料，每天都關心，我關心到現在，你們說那個場還有兩處檢驗出陽性，說實在的，署長…… |
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杜署長麗華：也是他這個場。 |
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王委員美惠：我怎麼會不知道是這個場啦？署長，你都沒有注意聽，不是只有這個場有問題，地方政府把那些廚餘就放在那裡，萬一有山豬還是什麼野豬自己去偷吃，然後混摻在一起，這樣也是會很悽慘！ |
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杜署長麗華：所以這絕對不行，一定要禁止，環境部…… |
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王委員美惠：你說絕對不行，可是現在廚餘也是接著倒下去。 |
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杜署長麗華：環境部已經在加強這個部分了。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，今天我為什麼會說得這麼氣憤呢？因為我相信臺灣人吃豬肉比吃牛肉、雞肉、鴨肉還要多，所以在這個過程當中，未來雞、鴨、牛肉的價格如果大漲，你們要怎麼去處理？對於民生經濟，你們都要去保持穩定！ |
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杜署長麗華：好，我們都已經有在處理了。 |
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王委員美惠：不要只是在這裡說有，你不必緊張，該怎麼做就怎麼做。 |
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杜署長麗華：是。 |
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王委員美惠：以上。 |
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杜署長麗華：好，謝謝。 |
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主席（黃委員建賓）：謝謝王美惠召委，這確實是來自基層的聲音，百姓受到的影響真的很大，相關部會對這個部分要趕快來解決。 |
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接下來我們請麥玉珍委員發言。 |
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委員會-11-4-15-8 |
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黃建賓 |
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徐巧芯 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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張智倫 |
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張宏陸 |
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王美惠 |
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麥玉珍 |
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許宇甄 |
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牛煦庭 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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吳琪銘 |
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李柏毅 |
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謝龍介 |
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丁學忠 |
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徐富癸 |
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林楚茵 |
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邱志偉 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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陳雪生 |
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高金素梅 |
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黃捷 |
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175 |
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2025-10-29 |
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1148901 |
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立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員
會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討
與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條
條文修正草案」案【僅詢答】 |
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1148901_00004 |