| IVOD_ID |
164811 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164811 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T09:43:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T09:53:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51fe447725109e481c198a631d8f132014a1aee410a7bf192fb22339bbe58c964b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:57 - 09:53:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法律案僅詢答】
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
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這一次啊齁 |
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這個非洲豬瘟這件事我們努力了那麼多年那就破功了我想請問一下這個到底有沒有疏忽這個農業局的杜署長其實從我們現在目前的資料來講台中本身其實這個是應該是一個追查的一個重點有沒有疏忽 |
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應該是有疏忽才會造成的有嘛我就有這句嘛一個疏忽造成了全台灣幾千億的損失然後國際形象還有我們的豬肉我們努力了20年了可以出口了是對不對是一個一個政府的一個疏失是造成了巨大的損失有多少豬農會倒啊 |
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對不對 署長所以我們現在目前也在全面 全國性的防疫都在做加強 還是避免它擴散出去你就回答我的問題嘛 對不對是不是有疏失我剛剛有說過這個案例發生絕對是有疏失值得檢討的地方 |
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我們這一個防堵非洲豬瘟這一個跨部會的部門已經成立7年多了是對不對那今天有書師誰的書師比較多目前的安妮廠是在台中 |
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全台灣都知道在台中啦是我說誰的疏失比較多啦以你們現在這一個禮拜來講的話誰的疏失比較多目前我們檢測起來是從台中市的從通報開始然後好啦我就問你啦是地方政府的疏失多還是中央啊你就回答我這樣就好了啦目前我們真的還在疫調中 |
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什麼叫疫調中啊你又講有疏失啊到底誰的疏失現在目前比較多大家都要檢討啦其實因為剛才講到那你如果這樣講你要不要檢討你自己啊我也會檢討對我也會檢討不是啦我立法委員我在問你你就回答我的問題就好了啊那台中市目前來講的話他們的所有的資料其實是很欠缺的很不足的那有很多帶釐清事項也沒有釐清清楚 |
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阿對嘛所以他的疏失比較多吧目前資料顯示是如此阿對嘛你就這樣回答就好了嘛就不是在究責我們是要找出問題把它解決嘛為什麼要這樣問好那你們現在全國的疫調有沒有第二家養豬場有這個問題目前全國的部分 |
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都沒有第二例所以這也是我們沒有第二例但潛伏期有多久15天15天過了嗎15天還沒有所以邁入第二階段那我看到的新聞說台中烏漆這個養豬場裡面還有檢測到 |
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病毒的殘留有沒有這件事有就是這個案場我們加強傾銷以後我們也特別在針對這個案場看有沒有落實再做檢測所以抽了14個樣品以後發現兩個兩個是陽性就是還有嘛對不對是他沒有落實是環境好 |
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我跟你講鞋子踩到會不會會會對不對所以目前全國還沒有是蠻慶幸的潛伏期還沒過對不對我剛剛講的是幾千億的產值2000億我應該不只吧應該不只吧你的2000億應該是那個養豬場的2000億周邊應該不只2000億吧是不是不只 |
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對對嘛所以我說的就不是所以我的意思就是說你現在如果台中市政府已經不可靠了中央要不要強力的去做有有啦有是我跟你講 |
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這個不能讓病毒擴散出去這是一個非常重要的一件事情不只為了養豬場也為了全台灣也為了國際形象也為了我們所有公務人員你今天在這裡你今天做的不是該做的事情 |
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除了該做的事情之外你做的是救台灣幾千億的產值這應該是很努力去做的一件事情中央地方都要一起來但如果地方他的人力不夠或什麼的中央就要扛起來啦 是不是是嘛 沒錯你這樣回答我們就來看啦看能不能真正的把它防堵起來啦那我先 我再問一下海關我們最近這半年 |
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我們裁罰了多少包委員我們今年啦你就回答我最近這半年裁罰了多少我有這個數字是截至到今我不管截至850件今年啦最近半年啦最近半年的數字我要統計大概是600件左右吧你剛剛說800件800件是從1月1號到現在今年才800件啊去年呢去年1100多件 |
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阿在前年呢一千大概兩三百件左右阿怎麼逐年遞減是啊因為原廠的關係也是因為原廠不是因為不是因為沒有原廠所以越來越少吧當然不是這樣子就很奇怪了啦該堵的都堵阿這個病毒從哪裡來的 |
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408.807 |
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這個不是你的專業啦這不是你的專業啦但總有一個漏洞在那邊啦對不對但這個漏洞呢大家現在都知道了啦該哪裡該補我相信啦現在大家都緊繃起來啦我跟你講七年多了沒有事情擔心的就是大家越來越放鬆越來越放鬆才會這樣啦不然 |
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423.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
這一件事情如果大家是很認真會拖一個多禮拜然後才讓全國知道嗎才說確認嗎那個杜署長如果是大家都戰戰兢兢的像七年前一開始這個情況會發生嗎 |
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433.57 |
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446.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
所以說地方的防疫單位你就回答我會不會發生啦其實大家都很認真在做啦你不要再跟我講這些嘛如果大家都像七年前一開始這樣很緊張這件事情會晚拖 |
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455.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
晚一個多禮拜才通報嗎其實機率會變小什麼叫機率會變小我跟你講在這裡不要講官話啦我們是解決問題啦又沒人要究責又沒人要什麼對不對我再問一次如果是大家都以七年前剛開始的態度去做事這件事情會發生嗎對如果這樣子的話 |
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這麼高的警覺性其實機率就很小可能就不會發生對嘛所以我覺得就是一個態度的問題啦一個態度的問題啦今天就是因為態度造成這樣所以我現在要跟署長你說的態度要拿出來啦 |
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我們現在是要把它防堵擴散到其他的豬場這個態度要拿出來但你們的態度國內是你們要負全責但我請這些其他署長上來也是要讓你們知道你們也要幫忙防堵不然國內清理好了後續還這樣會有第二次發生這次如果大家再緊張七年後大家又不緊張了有可能又第二次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
這個是我今天要質詢你的重點所以署長多浪費你一點時間我真的覺得用最高規格的啦你不要再去管台中市政府怎麼樣了啦台中市政府都已經這樣就沒有辦法信任了嘛沒有辦法信任的情況之下我覺得啦該強力的處理就處理好不好好謝謝 |