| IVOD_ID |
164809 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164809 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T09:21:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T09:32:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da5188f946b4f2df64c9198a631d8f132014a1aee410a7bf192f8b5c004b5ca1c9ca5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇巧慧 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:21:45 - 09:32:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法律案僅詢答】
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
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好谢谢主席我想请我们防疫检疫署杜丽华署长 |
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署長好 署長我想我們防疫是全國的事情不分中央跟地方那我們在這七年來我們把非洲豬瘟其實是守得很好一直主決於境外直到今日所以做得好的事情好的防疫要能夠持續為是只有兩個嘛第一個就是做得好的動作持續 |
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做不好有洞的地方就補洞精準的把漏洞找出來把它補齊這才是防疫能夠持續的方式署長完全同意嘛對不對完全同意嘛好那所以我們今天在此刻10月的現在發生了爆發第一起非洲豬瘟在國內這樣的狀況我們這個現在的狀況你到底他的洞在哪裡是邊境要加嚴嗎 |
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還是是在境內要來阻絕呢我認為其實我們應該現在要處理的是國內到底會不會這個案件擴大這才是現在的重中之重不然的話你國內如果大爆發你邊境再怎麼防堵其實我們就整個豬場所有的養豬事業都已經去料料了啊 |
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這農民都這樣 豬農都這樣說了嘛 對不對所以我們的重中之重應該是放在國內現在要查清楚署長應該也同意吧防疫視同作戰嘛 要精準的了解戰場才知道資源現在要怎麼配置嘛好 所以我今天沒有要跟你談邊境防疫的這個管制啊那我們現在就來談今天本件個案來 我們現在看嘛其實這一件非洲豬瘟的時序表 |
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10月10號豬隻死亡個案出現而且據現在的疫調通報是一次是報了20頭豬超過了這個300頭豬的這個豬場超過了他的百分之百分之相當多了嘛百分之將近10了啊百分之7、8、2吧對不對 |
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好接下來有獸醫師到場單位採檢然後10月20號的時候又有另外的獸醫師到現場才終於採檢署長我想問的是說其實在這個部分我們到底誰可以採檢採檢的要件到底是哪裡因為這就是整個案件的第一步第一個洞就是出現在這裡署長你同意吧對不對好那我問你什麼時候粉件什麼時候可以採檢什麼時候應該要採檢 |
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報告委員本件有異常嗎300頭豬的豬場一次死了20頭豬這是異常嗎我跟委員來做報告14號之前那這個他有這個異常的部分大概是5次從10月1號你就告訴我啦你就用 你是專家嘛你就很簡單一句話告訴我一個300頭豬的豬場通報了你我今天死了20頭豬 |
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超過百分之五這樣算不算異常 是算不算 有有嘛 算異常嘛好 所以算異常那應不應該採檢因為現在其實坊間的徵典竟然變成是說啊 我們沒有典型的症狀所以無法強制採檢現在的徵典變成是這樣啊所以我偏查所有的法規喔能不能夠採檢其實就是只有這條規定嘛 |
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就是在動物傳染病防治條例的第17條啊受醫師或受醫佐醫執行業務發現動物罹患 罹患或可能感染罹患或可能感染的時候就應於24小時內向當地當地的動物防疫機關報告而動物防疫機關接到報告的時候是應立即為必要之處置 |
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署長 我採用的這條法規有問題嗎這個是甲類 甲類的傳染病一定要照這樣來做通報但如果是一般的疾病就不是這樣子好 那所以一般它是不是甲類還是一般就完全取決於現場獸醫師的判斷嗎對 假設說我們牧場它有一般的都有特約的獸醫師那認為這個有疑似 署長那他就要通知台中的動保處是台中的動保處嘛 當地嘛對不對就要通知台中的動保處 對 |
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然後去現場來 署長 那我們現在看下面啦齁 我給你看其他縣市的做法啦其他縣市 這些也通通都是已經知道是假類了嗎這些案件都知道是假類所以才去採檢嗎 |
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只要有棄置河邊 我棄置河邊我就知道它是甲類了喔我排泄物有異樣了 我當場採檢也是因為我知道它是甲類了嗎在一隻海漂豬來 我看著它我就知道說喔這甲類所以我應該要採檢是這樣嗎海漂豬的部分我們已經跟海巡共同第一時間就處理對嘛 那前面那個呢 第一個2018年的時候花蓮六隻豬被棄置在河邊呢我眼睛看到它我就知道是甲類了嗎 |
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在我們的海邊簡單講就是有沒有警覺性嘛我們新北市在有養豬場排泄物異樣的時候就可以當場採檢了啊對不對所以其實就是這一個地方到底有沒有警覺性它是不是傳染病我當然是要驗了以後我才知道是什麼狀況啊不是是這樣嗎海漂豬的處理師每一屆一定印 |
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我這裡又不是只有海漂豬而已這個這個所列出來的目前的這個大概都是跟我們跟海巡一起處理的海漂豬那我第一項是嗎我第二項是嗎對河邊也是淡水養豬場也是海漂豬喔河口的地方也是海邊河邊我們一律都一個標準就是一定驗這個標準一定是特別的高我本來齁在這個台上 |
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要告訴你的就是說我們現在的標準就是應該要重演嘛所以我們的警覺性要提高嘛所以接下來的話任何有豬隻異常的話一個 你剛剛都已經說了一個三百頭豬的養豬場二十頭豬 二十頭豬能夠一次性死亡這個如果還比較異常的話 |
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我不曉得什麼才叫做異常啦連一般人我不是專家我都知道這是異常了所以不用採檢嗎這麼簡單的道理對不對大家在這種防範防成這樣今天這麼多部會要來說邊境加嚴管理結果你一個獸醫師到現場看20頭豬超過了7%的死亡率你不用採檢你不用通報有這種事情那為什麼我們這麼多單位要在這邊這麼嚴格的防疫 |
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不是就這樣嗎好 你現在作為署長我已經給你這個樓梯了你竟然還在說你不加嚴我不能理解我真的不能理解報告委員我可能說沒清楚其實都已經加嚴了那之前的部分只有分各部分的處理對 加嚴 已經有加嚴了我覺得這樣我問不下去了抱歉 抱歉 |
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我們省非洲蘇溫熟了7年是這是在蘇院長的時候就已經嚴格去做執行到現在沒有變沒有變還是要更加你現在告訴我說300頭豬的豬場有一次20頭豬死亡是異常 |
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不用通報 不用採檢 不用加嚴未來不用再更嚴格的處理都要所以現在的動作一切是正常的不是 他不是正常 他是異常他絕對要有後續的處理那所以呢所以後續的處理台中市的動保處要回報給我們那他到底是有去檢查法事你知道嗎如果我們的傳染期喔我們的潛伏期是15天我們現在的第一頭豬死亡的時間是10月10號 |
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491.933 |
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492.835 |
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對 我是10月10號他才通知他10月9號就可能有狀況了10月10號以前的豬有出去了嗎 |
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500.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
523.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
你也不知道啊 因為台中市政府給你的三次疫調所以台中市政府的疫調署長 我事實上我跟你們要報告說現在豬到底死亡幾頭你們沒有報告給我耶在我們的畫廠你沒有報告給我蘇巧惠辦公室耶好 那我們你現在有嗎 你現在在被詢台中說嘛9月1號起一直到我們的10月18號你這次本件到底已經現在目前為止死了多少頭豬我們的畫廠的數字顯示9月1號起到10月 |
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527.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
530.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
13號的抽驗是106頭這數字誰給你的 到21號但是這是我們的化智廠的不是 是我們的這個系統的警示但現在就是台中市政府只回報給我們78頭所以我們現在要求他們 |
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546.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
548.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
落差在哪裡 對啊所以要求台中市政府把疫調這個裡面要釐清楚到底死亡的頭數是多少頭那到目前為止還他們所提出來的我對於你今天的這個回答我非常的不滿意啦好我檢討 |
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562.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
565.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我非常的不滿意我們已經發生了這麼多天全國人民驚慌產業界消費者大家都陰陰的期盼就是應該要有一套東西可以拿出來告訴我們說現在有一個洞出現了而我明確的知道洞在哪裡我接下來要怎麼補結果你現在沒有辦法在備詢台上面一次告訴我 |
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586.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
595.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我拍頭就已經說了防疫是中央跟地方的事情我們沒有要推責但是該是誰的責任動在哪裡大家講清楚嘛這哪有什麼黨派之分這哪有中央跟地方之分所以你該講的就應該在這裡講出來你到底是在擔心什麼東西如果是台中市政府沒有資訊給你在這裡講出來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
608.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
631.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我相信其他的委員 各縣市的都一樣擔心啊我們已經在應變中心跟應變所的會議一再要求台中市政府要表議調也就是這些包括來源 包括死亡投訴包括三年單的部分所以你有東西了嗎你有東西了嗎 你現在有資料了嗎昨天的時候 他們昨天下午三點那你對於台中市政府不給你資料所以你現在沒有辦法在這裡回答委員他們已經 做什麼已經給我們 昨天下午三點給我們那資料是準確的嗎11點 |
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636.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
641.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
已經送我們的專家委員會要針對他的報告 完整報告做審視 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
642.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
646.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以在審視之前你也不知道那是不是正確的嗎有 昨天已經初步初步的這個檢報那個什麼他的那個疫調報告已經有回應他一些意見要求他再詳細的補充說明我覺得我在立法院問政這樣十年我想我的品質應該是還受到肯定如果連我現在在這裡都聽不懂你在說什麼的話那難怪國人聽不懂這個報告啦好 對不起 |