| IVOD_ID |
164802 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164802 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T12:03:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T12:11:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da513b870b35190a409f14a9ab9b55a87a24a1aee410a7bf192f32eaf49779187fd55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:03:01 - 12:11:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、農業部、經濟部、教育部、國防部就「防範非洲豬瘟疫情擴散，強化全國廚餘去化問題以及後續防疫、清消等作為」提出專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時起。若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、繼續審查行政院函請審議「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草案」、委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文修正草案」、委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等27人、委員黃秀芳等21人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員范雲等18人、委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員沈發惠等18人、委員王育敏等19人、委員王育敏等25人擬、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」、委員郭昱晴等17人、委員羅廷瑋等18人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
（一）委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修草案」案。
（四）委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條修正草案」案。
（五）委員林淑芬等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員徐富癸等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
【二、(三)至(七)案，如經復議則不予審查；二、(八)至(十)案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查】【逐條討論】
【10月29日及10月30日，二天一次會】） |
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主席 我請兩位補充好 請兩位部長委員好 補充好 委員好這般的噴漆滴很嚴肅的問題 不能再稍微提了風壓本來就是中庸的一款 你看蘇貞昌一定有同期期 什麼樣的態度 對不對 |
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他自己去到地上的方式破口那麼今天問題發生中央地方如果沒有一條心就對了我專門扣除了台灣用地産業恐怕會參不領導我今天想你探討這個池地的問題因為噴水後沒辦法氣化 |
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所以 黃金寶有補助地方啊 啊這個噴來做堆肥的 喔 更有優勢你不要叫地方的所理幫你騙 副的地方說 你看我們台 台 我們這裡已經做得很好啊 台中都這樣噴了五百度 這才是事實噴的企劃 我請教兩位部長 日本怎麼做 |
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三十年前 三十年前日本就已經把噴化作治療人家噴不是只有咖喱而已 他的噴走到滾來治療是四十五年前的事情一直到三十五年前 他感覺這種包括這個烤地藥 包括這個肥皂滴汁 |
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農有可能會減量 所以已經不再用我們地農的 把它們分開來賺錢但是地農沒有那個能力 它產業的薪金也沒有那個能力 來把它們做工業給它處理 |
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我跟委員報告 現在 |
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噴在池底的時候除了說一般的廚餘他還是要跟一般植物性的料源去混合你說的日本 日本的廚餘不是跟我們台灣的廚餘一樣他有分一些植物性的跟動物性的開始就把它分開了 |
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收到的時候 兌到這個檔單 兌到餐廳其實是特殊的碰點 譬如說全台灣現在生態餐廳很多 市長的 還有這個烘焙業 種種不一樣的年老的 把這個噴了 它不是檔單 這樣煮煮的就沒底價 |
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他要知道添加就是說以工業化的設備大規模 譬如說有4D在國管制你們想辦法補助一下然後呢 我們的用地的3D可以升級他不但把這噴修進來消毒以外 高溫的消毒 還要添加營養劑甚至添加蛋白質然後呢 做成乾燥料的肥料 |
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這個肥料沒有滴溶 雖然比它脂肪 成分比較高一點但是比它吃全脂料 成分比較低 保證是不是這樣 |
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對 他現在有一個階級 我也有去了解大概6500萬一天可以做25噸但是像委員講的 你頭上的廚藝要分類這個環境保證嘛 不是分類是這樣嘛 你要做企劃之後 要做後備 要做是沒工的嘛這就保證你這裡要用心嘛 |
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因為你目前我看是你沒有具體的辦法沒有 我們還是這個真主的部分呢給豬吃飼料的部分還是農業部這邊處理那我們當然是希望未來能夠更加的去化處理的收集是你們的業務就是說對元頭要去處理分的時候就應該要做初級分類這樣後面農業部的身分才會更多 |
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以身分鋼筋療養做出來的品質比較有體性 比較有辦法讓整個腰底、三脊、蹄膿可以接受你這種的治療啦我講的意思是這樣 不然你覺得是怎樣 你有建議這個做法嗎 |
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感謝委員 建議 你剛才講的 我們陣營已經有在研究 在做你們研究幾檔啊 你知道嗎我們已經 日本就做30幾檔我們只有在那裡 噴 要刺刀 不刺刀 噴 要刺刀 不刺刀這樣拿20幾檔 我跟你講 要放棄身分 要控制他們的身分當然對基隆來說 我身分如何如何 但是安全是沒辦法的 |
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所以如果是這套的辦法 |
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我們聯邦可以共同來福德地方政府真真正正可以用這個高溫殺菌抗藥法看守療養行為 治療 新的治療當然這個添加經過添加的過程跟製造的過程有增加的成本所以政府要補助到什麼程度那麼是要福德藥治來充輸而且是地方政府統一管理療養 |
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統一緩衝才會用到新的治療 你的看法是怎樣 |
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我基本上暫時 委員在說的 就是說我們長久的時候要把我們的廚餘變成用工業的手段變成飼料啦這個飼料的部分 第一點就是說 要有入飼完異素入飼完異素就是說 豬農本身要用所以這個部分 我們已經把它變成一個我們在討論的方案之一啦因為廚餘的再利用的部分 特別是放去豬吃的時候 |
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有很一種的 你如果爭主你如果說不可能都怕你我們在討論這個方案就是已經沒有爭主的問題了嘛但是不是一定要在那邊行公義喔我們的爭主才能夠退場這個是有他的一些顧慮期 我知道嘛 就是說現在沒有在討論爭主 我想說新的方向新的做法 我們環境部跟農業部可以合作跟地方來做這個配合 平坡中我講的意思 確定比較清楚吧 |
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這個我們有在研議啦因為我們也在看國外有幾個新的到底哪一個是適合台灣未來的發展的確是 我覺得你說的沒錯 要細分類因為現在像餐廳其實它有不一樣的餐廳的形態 事業的形態也要做好一個分類沒關係啦 你一陣子可以有一個粗暴的兵局報告 可行性的兵局委員 因為現在這位很忙他我上禮拜接到電話一直忙到現在三個位好不好沒關係 OK 半天也沒關係 因為 |
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剛才博長你說你們都一直在研究一直在研究 顯然沒有啦要落實 因為這是一個企業專行 用地升級專行 很好的契機啦 我進行經濟委員會我就講 日本已經有成功的這個契機 如果要授權我都願意直接授權進來 |
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這個部分就是看他的那個啦人家已經做三十年了 沒中這三十年來 也很多學者有拿出建議嘛現在是關心在你 要跟不要而已好不好 謝謝 |