| IVOD_ID |
164781 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164781 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T10:43:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:56:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da519d1cb33711a26a62d0e1721cc507f77aa3c61875d63c713542cfc001de26ffe45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:18 - 10:56:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
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我先做一個會議程序的預告我們稍後在翁曉琳委員巡打完畢以後休息五分鐘我們現在請市長委員好 辛苦的召委感謝 請任市長請任市長 |
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委員長今天有兩個主題跟您交換一下意見非常多委員都關心身心調試假終於10月10日上路了作為在立法院一路催生身心調試假的立委我從教育部門推到公務部門當然下一個努力我們希望進入民間的企業那這個制度現在現行是併入試假我當然認為先求有再求好 |
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那我也非常鼓勵也要拜託勇敢的去宣傳我們告訴所有的公務同仁不要讓自己的權利睡著了請了身心調試假大家要記得主觀管門不能夠對請身心調試假 |
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的同仁們貼上任何歧視性的標籤反而應當要給更多的關懷這就是我們為什麼設置了身心調適價這個進步性的新價別那當然從公部門推到私部門一向以來都是我們在各項權益扶植的一個路徑 |
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公部門先行推廣到私部門下業我們自己來做好的典範但是呢我看到這個消息跟新聞我真的是很開心因為育嬰留停假明年要上路優先勞動部啟動了 |
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勞動部推動育嬰留庭以日來申請家庭照顧可以以小時來機動彈性的幫助這些家裡有小朋友的這些年輕爸媽們這個制度勞動部先行了開始從企業來推我們公部門是不是全面適用 |
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軍公教全面適用軍公教都沒有任何限制我本來就已經擺時間的方式在那現在新制以日跟時更激動更彈性更貼心軍公教全面民間有的公部門也可以推嘛 對不對 |
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事實上就是公家計劃先推然後民間再跟著我們這樣推是這樣嗎我們是走到前面 勞動再跟過來如果是這樣 我們就要宣傳到大陸了因為這個大新聞是我們勞動部在前幾個禮拜在院會的通過那我關心到我們的卓院長也特別在院會上說 |
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我們給這個福利給年輕爸媽在私部門而軍公教也一體試用那很好公司部門一起來做我們讓制度更優化讓育嬰留停都能夠更友善下一頁 |
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昨天立法院有一個好消息就是司法法治委員會我們修正的考積法昨天三讀通過了透過這個考積法的三讀通過我們可以讓公務員的育兒這個育嬰留庭不會再延緩 |
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延後他的升遷的機會這是一個進步性的立法我們終止制度性的歧視讓照顧不再是懲罰昨天通過了也謝謝人事總處謝謝我們司法法制委員一起把制度真的更人性但是法也修了這種彈性的價別也給了您認為對於現在育嬰留庭在公部門的執行您滿意嗎 |
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我覺得各個公務機關他的法徵的法律的尊崇事實上都非常的到位可是我覺得我們還有一個要努力的就是要加強先導推廣因為每一個機關他對這樣一個新措施的一個認知可能會有一些差異性像以前我在財政部服務的時候我有一個同仁三年生了兩個小孩 |
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那就是一因留庭嘛那回來 隔年我就把他升為課長那很好不會因為他一因留庭而給予他歧視性的對待就看能力 看表現嘛 對不對那下一頁 |
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育嬰留庭也要性別平權我們要加強宣導讓大家有假就可以請大家也敢請制度上不會有歧視不會影響到他的升遷不會影響他的考積那我今天跟您探討性別平權男性公務員的育嬰留庭的優化制度這幾年來我們一再的推進譬如說110年起雙方就是男女雙方爸媽都可以申請育嬰留庭這是一個進步 |
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然後呢在111年我們開始將育嬰留庭的津貼從六成薪到八成薪這也是一個大躍進大家覺得啊 這樣我願意不會影響我的收入太多有一些起碼的保障所以確實我比較起來上路四年的新的優化的制度男性育嬰留庭的人數從2322增加到3633成長了55.79% |
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制度更進步男性也勇於育嬰留庭照顧小孩不再是只有女人的事數字看起來成長55.79真漂亮阿有教我 |
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其實我還要報告一件事手裡是這幾檔男生請這是你們今天報告裡面的手裡議因留庭的部分比較多可是我這裡會跟委員補充像我們人種我們就有兩個科長科長喔 主管喔他也請議因留庭我們連主管就讓他在議因留庭而不會因為你是主管身份我不要讓你去當然 任何的職別職等 |
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都有相同的權利嘛 對不對所以我們是以身作則然後建立標竿 大家來模仿讓這些比較主觀管的他也敢請 不影響升遷嘛但是我跟您討論性別平權看起來你們今天的報告數字說男性成長55.79% 很好來你額外拍拍手 下一頁但是呢 你們沒有說的事實是 |
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女性跟男性的育嬰留庭還是回到一個女生照顧小孩是女人的一年所以比例起來男性去請的只有22.71%這是最高的數字 |
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女性是77.29換言之照顧生養的責任還是落在女性的身上是傳統的觀念在公務部門我就以育嬰留庭請假的性別也解讀到這樣子的一個現象下一頁我們對於男性也要投入生養的責任我就以育嬰留庭剛剛是1比4 |
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我們來看看這個產駕現在男生可以請陪產駕跟這個陪檢駕越來越進步男性在產前請駕跟女性自己是懷孕大八度嘛其實是1比1就是說年輕爸爸寶寶去做產檢去生我都覺得我有責任我要參與這是人生光榮的一刻可是生完之後 |
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照顧小孩又回到我剛剛說的1比4還是女性在公職的現場女性去請育嬰留庭男性就比較保守這是一種性別的失衡當然有傳統的觀念這個部分你們怎麼樣在制度上再去宣導再去給幼嬰鼓勵爸爸也要育嬰留庭 |
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製度在那嘛我覺得我們還是要再做先導的工作還要持續啦另外 |
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也有一些現實的情況一般來講有時候因為先生進到職場的時間也可能比較早一點他的月薪待遇可能也比較高女性的他待遇可能相對的問題所以這就是另外一個問題啦為什麼男生跟女生的薪水 阿嬤要去討論阿嬤要去討論什麼人照顧孩子這樣會好有些是 |
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董事長說話要洗腦啦不要在這裡挑起另外一個性別的男生的薪水就那麼高女生好像薪水就那麼少好像這是一個通 |
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也不是通案啦我只是在說有這個現象啦有一個現象因為本來就是你在總體的看起來大概是1比4所以我們現在之所以讓雙父母雙方都可以育嬰留庭而且同樣從六成星到八成星都是希望可以打破這些東西 |
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就是男女都 父母親都一起請嘛我提出這個問題就好好去思考怎麼樣可以讓我們的男性更勇敢承擔責任 好不好我們來比日本我們過去都說 日本的男人大男人比台灣男人嚴重得多台灣男人相對是比較大型的我身為台灣女人 我深感幸福啊但是你看看喔 國際比一比喔育嬰留庭在日本 |
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10年日本男性去育嬰留庭的成長49%女生台灣10年成長9.2%如果是以倍數來講日本10年男生去請育嬰留庭成長16.8倍台灣10年只成長不到2倍我就說 |
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那社會觀來說日本的男尊女卑可能是比台灣更有一些些他們很羨慕台灣的自由女性的地位的提升但是如果以育嬰流行在日本這是日本的公務員我還沒有比勞工喔 |
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我手上還有勞工的數字但今天您是人事總長所以看到日本做得到他一定有其他的制度誘因他一定有更多可以做到更到位的如果真的推動性別平權在生養的這件事情的友善職場我們還有很大的空間要進步跟努力把這個問題帶回去好嗎好那最後一個我占用一分鐘很多委員都在說鐵飯碗不再熱門 |
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確實報考的人數腰斬現在大概十幾萬 十六萬左右但是我希望在A黨的委員不要提錯解方我們如果要讓鐵飯碗真的是鐵飯碗就要保障現職的公務同仁他的福利福祉不能夠受到任何的剝奪我們想方設法這幾年來我們為軍公教調薪了四次14% |
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但是呢還是有減壓跟友善職場進步的空間照顧現役公務員是我認為您作為人事總長我作為監督執政的國會議員我們一定要優先照顧我們的現役工作同仁 |
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以前說勞役不均如果說在野黨的委員提錯解方是要把年金停侃要把年金走回頭路讓我們的公務人員的這個鋪可能16年就會破產 |
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教育人員可能13年後就領不到退休金影響的是現役工作人員的權益那麼鐵飯碗就更不是鐵飯碗了因為退休金會被在野黨的委員亂搞惡搞現役的公務人員領不到退休金就會成為一個負面的惡性循環公務同仁的這個工作不再具有吸引力 |
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所以說這個問題我要再次提出來不要下錯解方給錯藥如果讓年金走回頭路改革中斷造成年金的破產這才是對現役的公務人員最不公平的地方我們要大聲說我們要勇敢說因為要為所有的在場所有的同仁確保退休金人人領得到 |
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所以呼籲在野黨的委員司法法治委員會的同仁三思再三思謝謝獨眼俠主席謝謝好謝謝 |