| IVOD_ID |
164764 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164764 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T09:49:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:00:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51f3d51553b19dcb68c033660070f94f42a3c61875d63c7135b4272b109c97fcf25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:12 - 10:00:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長及勞動部就「臺鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討、改善員工職場安全及勞動條件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部鐵道局局長就「全台軌道建設進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝趙偉請我們交通部陳部長陳部長請台鐵公司鄭董事長來 鄭董事長請委員好來 部長 董事長我想本席像在交通委員會我任何事情是對事不對人 |
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但是我們在台鐵公司改革的過程當中絕對不能走回頭路部長你同意嗎非常同意董事長你同意嗎同意威才適用是基本的觀念 |
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適材適用也是改革的一部分但是如果變成我們台鐵的人士是仇傭式的我跟你講 董事長改革就沒有進步我今天會執行 |
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是因為我手頭檢舉的案件一大堆因為我一向支持部長為什麼 年輕人對於交通業務的改革我都只有贊成跟支持的態度那私底下董事長我也贊同你把台鐵能夠慢慢改 改成像 |
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高鐵這樣那種水準層次雖然我們票價低但是整個改革過程當中是有必要的所以一開始我也是非常支持可是我就感覺到很奇怪現在我們的人事啊是在紛張是不是是在酬庸是不是所以我對事不對人 |
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所以我要請教董事長還有我們部長請問我們台鐵董那個董監事通過的處長以上要不要部長何備要不要處長以上不用啊就是副總以上吧或者董 |
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只有到副总好副总好那这个事情当然跟部长但是部长你要去了解我一向指张我反对政治分张我要请教一下来下一张那个好不对好 |
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我要提供给部长你看看中油公司台电公司台水公司或台湾高铁中国邮政中华邮政等等这些的财务人员都既有专长 |
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可是我們台鐵我們的資產初步有八千億塊一兆以上那我們的編列預算也幾百億我請問一下我們現在回來再回來好我要請教你現在的管財務的財務處長黃偉林先生他是不是財務的專業 |
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我跟 |
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報告那個專委他現在是公司裡面是專門委員那現在我來了以後我是特別請他當我的秘書室的這個秘書也是特別助理那在公司裡面他是有兼任他是負責的專委他督導的單位就是主要公共事務方面因為我們借重他跟媒體溝通的這個能力那同時因為公司在這個 |
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好了 董事長我知道我也不要打斷你但是我問你 |
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專業的問題嘛他現在就是兼任財務處長嘛對不對他就是用媒體公關用特殊情形而進來的嘛誰推薦的我也不要講但是我可以保證他是有關係所以我才訂政治分張嘛所以你對他也不敢嘛但是你不要忘囉這裡面員工啊指正立立 |
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檢舉的東西 他今天是為了公司好主管財務的處長 竟然不懂財務 |
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我常講過一句話不會做事無所謂但是要會做人不要一味的覺得我有關係你拿我沒辦法這是基層員工你要改革過程當中要先安內再攘外嘛你裡面的員工對這些都不服氣請問董事長你怎麼改革請問部長這怎麼可以去發揮他們的功能 |
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報告委員幾個部分第一台鐵公司它公司化就是說希望能夠引進非過去所謂公務體系上來的那一種人才所以現在很多的從業人員台鐵公司也有經過董事會去同意到專委可以直接請社會上面的專業的人員進來我同意有走正常的程序進來我覺得這個部分就沒什麼問題部長第二個部分是說他現在這位專委 |
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他雖然是兼任董事長的秘書那同時也是專門委員也應該有兼財務處長但是他是督導但是他的薪水也沒有增加他是一份薪水但是做很多的工作大概是這個狀況對啦 他就是能力很強嘛但是專業不足嘛 |
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我同意嘛他是依照公關媒體進來的嘛這個就是我們不對題進來你去做公關你要做公關處長你要去做媒體處長我都贊成嘛因為他進來的專業是這樣可是現在門外漢管我們台鐵的財務請問一下 員工都不服氣嘛問題在這裡嘛 怎麼改革 |
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他專門委員主要的重點就是在督導公關媒體這一塊可是他就是董事長你如果要這樣講我會繼續追下去喔我已經講過我對事不對人人怎麼樣產生當然你們是依法可是我可以跟你講這裡面的辦法我看得很清楚他是用媒體公關的特殊人員進來他怎麼會來管財務呢 |
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委員跟委員報告現在台鐵剛剛公司化有些單位是過去沒有的例如說您所關心的財務處過去沒有財務處這樣子的單位那現在新成立所以台鐵公司也需要漸漸的補齊這方面的人才過去台鐵公司並沒有財務以前還是有財務單位啦我跟你講你不要讓我有會計處不是財務處是那還不是一樣 |
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我跟您講啦 |
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我不是對黃偉軍先生有意見我是對體制有意見本來就是這樣嘛我對他進來台鐵我沒有意見 |
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那個黃偉晶先生也在嘛你聽著我對你沒有意見但是對制度有意見為什麼因為你台鐵要改革怎麼會放不對的人在管不對的事情那當然就委員的指教我們趕快找專業的人才進來財務處未來整個財務處盡量是財務專業我跟你講董事長你下情不能上打我跟你講所有員工所有職工為了這些事情 |
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都非常非常對領導階層對台鐵非常不滿為什麼那如果有關係就沒有關係那以後大家都靠關係啊說實在那這樣的話台鐵就沒有辦法改革 |
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我同意任何人去推薦人才進來但是要擺對的位置這才是一個專業才是一個改革我同意所有有專業的都來投入台鐵但是不能因人而異如果是這樣就是政治紛張那如果是這樣台鐵又是酬庸永遠一輩子沒有辦法去改革這一點我給董事長特別一個建議我也希望部長 |
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要去注意這些最後我要跟主席借一分鐘來接下來董事長來來來來來我知道我知道我們這個是委辦的我們那個海豐號我也去看過了海豐號本來給外表給人家看起來是很不錯的可是董事長為什麼這種 |
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高級烤爐再封抹布這個事來 你看一下這是人家造出來的這也是員工提出來的 |
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報告委員 這個確實是不應該啦我們已經要求這個承商要馬上改進不是 我也知道這個是承商但是這個就是我們管理階層鬆動我跟你講他包我們的東西我們也要監督啊欸 食安有問題這不是開玩笑的欸票是我們賣的但是是我們委外但是你委外給我對食安的問題當兒戲欸 是砸掉我台鐵的很難得 |
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我們海豐號每一個人去回來都很滿意可是他沒有看到這一幕看到這一幕他就根本無法吃喝我跟你講所有董事長我要拜託這件事情要約束我們的城堡散張 |
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食安的問題 克不容緩食安的問題 零容忍所以這些東西不要說人家沒有看到就是乾淨這樣對我們自己是不好的董事長 這個你同意嗎同意 零容忍這件事情確實也是這樣我們會嚴格的要求這個陳商好 我也希望部長啊嚴公對於這件事情黃先生這件事情對的人放不對的位置 |
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員工是敢怒不敢言我要拜託部長我要拜託董事長適度的技巧性一定要息怒我認為人事我說實在我們肯定黃先生有專長但是要擺對的位置不要說因為他是有關係他就沒有關係這樣不好員工那麼多不是只有一個黃先生這個我特別提醒盡快課不容緩趕快去處理好不好好 謝謝 |