| IVOD_ID |
164763 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164763 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T09:37:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T09:48:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51423dc273038e44dec033660070f94f42a3c61875d63c7135b4272b109c97fcf25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:17 - 09:48:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長及勞動部就「臺鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討、改善員工職場安全及勞動條件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部鐵道局局長就「全台軌道建設進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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好 麻煩請陳士凱部長 然後鄭董事長跟楊局長 董事長 局長 |
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部長好部長我想今天主要兩個議題第一個議題就是所謂這個台鐵各地車站的旅客安全的一個檢討部分那我看到報告其實開宗明義雖然講是講各地車站旅客安全但實際上還是focus在台北車站當然台北車站的運量是最大而且日前才發生一個這個所謂的這個 |
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社會事件也因此我們台北車站當然重要可是全台的車站也一樣重要我想這部長你也同意嘛我想先請教一下在台鐵車站裡面不管是現在要建立所謂的鐵井保全車站三層通報機制但是各主要車站沿你辦理換言之除了台北車站以外其他車站特等站一等站有所謂的保全嗎是不是請請董事長好 |
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這個跟委員報告目前我們有保全的地方就是除了台北車站以外還有我們那個高雄車站還有另外就是我們有兩個比較小的車站是歸來跟寧若這兩個 |
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歸來跟寧若因為是無人車站我們是在下午的時候徵請保全兩個車站合請一個保全幫忙在巡邏全台灣有多少車站我們242個車站242個車站你現在告訴我只有台北車站跟高雄車站兩個地方有保全是的那其他地方 |
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你說要建立一個鐵井保全車站三層通報巡檢制度但實際上其他車站是沒有保全的我跟委員報告 基本上我們是列車上有沒有保全列車上目前沒有也沒有保全我們是用鐵井在巡邏 |
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本席有看到說公司從過去一直我們也強調是說台鐵一直發生所謂的旅客攻擊事件旅客攻擊員工事件也因此除了說這一些閉路器等等相關然後提高見景率其實很重要的是如果說有保全能力的話未來有這樣發生的一個治安狀況可以第一時間馬上請保全來去排除 |
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那半年過去有任何進度嗎台鐵公司有要求說各車站要自行提報需求但是如果說沒有一個通盤的安全需求政策的話那各車站提報了之後然後咧又放著今天是台北車站發生了治安問題大家很重視那如果說改天有任何一個車站發生治安問題的話我們又要再檢討一遍嗎 |
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跟委員報告是這樣我們針對旅客比較眾多的大站譬如說我們台北還有高雄跟台中這個部分我們有深入的去了解 |
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那目前我們看來比較有需要的就是台北站我們現在是先這樣做那台北站我們是用這種所謂的聯訪的方式在運作那我們是認為說這個運作起來到目前的情況相當的不錯那如果說未來其他的站有這樣的一個需要的話我們會再考慮到這樣那因為這也考慮到我們的一些人員的成本的問題董事長 |
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當然人員成本問題 現在請榮許本席提醒今年初是不是我們針對台北站也把所謂的台那個台北捷運的部分的保全也給撤 裁撤掉捷運啊對 就捷運那一個車站那部分就台北站其實在今年我們也收到有這個工會這邊反映就是說針對 |
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台北車站的部分保全也有縮減人力捷運應該是屬於北捷那邊會去處理我說往捷運那個方向的啦沒有 我們你的那個保全的車站保全的人力也有調整啊也有減少啊不是嗎 月台上的月台上的 這個保全人力也有減少不是嗎沒有耶 |
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董事長要不要確認一下那個當然是當時因為臨時去支援的那現在後來不需要的話我們再撤回 |
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我跟委員報告 兩個方面一方面是您剛剛所關心的這個議題人力的調整他們已經補回去了原本可能是把他調去別的地方那現在已經補回來這第一點那第二點台鐵公司他的車站大部分都是跟鐵路警察來合作來維持這個治安那鐵路警察他的覆蓋率其實就蠻廣大概有多少車站你們曉得嗎 |
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副總校長他的覆蓋率其實是蠻多的因為今天內政部鐵路警察局沒有過來但是如果說你要問鐵路警察的話鐵路警察一定也會跟你講說他人員吃緊對啦他們也希望所以現在羊毛出在羊身上我認為還是一樣就是說過去大家認為是台鐵的安全能夠有在提升台鐵的服務品質有在提升其實很重要一個部分就是各失其職嘛 |
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就是說不要說讓發生什麼樣的安全問題的時候第一時間是由列車長是由員工這邊來做處理也因此如果說有安全疑慮的部分保全能夠替代當然可以請保全來做處理那之前我也提過就是說你除了台北站高雄站以外其他的車站那以及台北站到目前為止保全能力是否足夠這一點其實我相信台鐵的員工也都會有很多的意見 |
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董事長是不是針對這部分再來去做一個了解或說能夠再去做一個檢視的部分該增加其實我們還是一樣強調你後面我本席最近也看到光台北車站上面近期又要再招標新的商業這個商場要再招標嘛而且你講是說創新高 |
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過去這幾年商場的營運模式營業額收入非常的高那總不能說只一味的都是由商場賺錢但是對於我們最基本的服務項目的部分沒有辦法有一個提升嗎對委員的這個提醒我們再來研究看看是不是有精進的空間 |
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好那另外我再請教一下夜點費剛剛報告事項裡面已經提到了董事會已經審議通過了是的那現在卡在哪邊現在就是我們按照程序就是說我們要在第一個報交通部嘛交通部的這個來那部長請教一下有沒有收到台鐵的這一個 |
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我們是剛剛昨天因為我們的程序就是說董事會的董事會的議事錄要經過確認我們為了加速我們確認的同時我們就支會交通部來提升所以應該交通部現在在 |
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我們會用最快的速度來核備這件事情好我們也是會支持嘛當時我其實有跟董事長討論過這個案子那我們也是非常的支持那也感謝台鐵公司的董事會有通過這個案子因為畢竟現在的夜點費台鐵是只有120元但對比一般的大眾運輸 |
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包括說高鐵是475元包括說捷運450元所以我們現在也沒有比高鐵也沒有比捷運多嘛我們提高到最高的話我們可以到400元是400元嘛所以說如果是這樣的話該合理的補貼應該有補貼部長你可以同意這個支持完全支持好那我們就看預計什麼時候最快可以發送 |
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我們希望說明年的1月1號這個夜點費我們可以來發放好最後來請教一下楊局長楊局長本期有看到你這全台軌道建設這也是為什麼我特別邀請鐵道局這邊來做一個整理就是我相信很多的民意代表在各縣市也都有軌道建設來進行也因此我們希望說鐵道局能夠有一個通盤的一個規劃跟掌握那其中有一個部分就是本期 |
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選區裡面有很多條軌道建設但其中有一條已經被退了11次了審查 被審查了11次2020年7月就已經送進來4年9個月了你知道是哪一條嗎泰坂輕軌嘛11次啊在高島 蔡都 差太多了吧巴黎嗎巴黎是不是巴黎巴黎輕軌巴黎輕軌淡海輕軌二期淡海輕軌 抱歉抱歉 |
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2020年9月那時候泰坂輕軌還不知道在哪裡那時候武泰輕軌才做可行性評估巴黎輕軌現在也還在可行性評估中但是淡海輕軌二期尤其部長在這邊每一次去那邊都會看到我們淡江大橋 |
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但是跟淡江大橋相輝映並且完善整個淡水的交通三支線淡北道路現在已經在做了淡江大橋明年五月可以通車淡海輕軌二期把它完善最後一里路只有六個暫停但是到目前為止送審了11次還沒有過 |
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局長能不能再加油一下問題在哪邊因為之前就是靠近河岸的這個預留的這個道路的寬度是7公尺那因為地方有相關的反應認為說這個7公尺對他們的商家營運來說是造成 |
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594.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
之前就已經討論過而且也有討論這樣的議題我看到新北市捷運局也一家一家商家的來去做溝通跟說明那到目前為止能夠退縮也退縮 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
595.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
624.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
他們有再次調整到9.5公尺是那這個案子最近有送進來我想我們會來做後續的協助最近送進來也是7月的事情對 跟委員報告所以已經又過了三個月了因為他們前面其實這些那十幾次大部分都是因為地方還有意見還有一些陳情的意見所以大家一直在在討論當中那現在終於新北市政府有新的案子了退縮9.5公尺的部分已經做調整我想地方的陳情應該就會少那後續的部分我們就來加速好 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
626.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
640.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
真的是要拜托部长我今天特别点出来就是我们不要真的不要再拖了也不要再拖我真的很怕是到最后你会变成是明年五月的时候淡江大桥通车的时候才一起来能快不要慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
665.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
真的地方沒有辦法這樣子持續拖尤其是現在淡江大橋我們也看到快落成快通車淡北道路在進行中結果應該是要後發先至的淡海輕軌淡海輕軌一起南海線綠三線其實也都已經在運行了但是就差最後一路六個站體把它完善變成是一個circle就可以發揮大眾運輸最大的運量化 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
667.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
689.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
能夠請局長這邊現在這個案子在哪裡鐵道局還是交通部我們是有我們最近有收到新北市政府送進來的東西我們在做簽報當中那請也讓北齊知道一下進度剛剛部長已經講能快就不要慢而且是已經在設計階段了最後一里路了好不好 謝謝 |