| IVOD_ID |
164760 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164760 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T10:03:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:17:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da519cbe33977c6826c2b08d4a2736e01e2ba3c61875d63c71359f750fbe189a9eba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:37 - 10:17:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查:
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等21人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」。
二、審查:
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等24人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
三、審查:
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」及委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
以上全案於10月29日(星期三)進行合併詢答,10月30日(星期四)處理。
【10月29日及30日二天一次會】(請參閱開會通知單及議程)) |
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謝謝你原屬啊你原屬 |
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謝謝 主席 請到國務部長國務部長 謝謝站位好國務部長 拜一就前天台灣有好多個環保團體到行政院跟立法院來陳情 |
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他們抗議的是說包括烏山頭水庫設這個光電板等他們說最近光電有十大亂象所以他們提出了十大這個訴求我看你們經濟部回應也蠻快的你們當天的下午就對於他們的訴求有提出這個回應這部分的快速回應我要加以肯定不過呢 |
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我看你們的這個回應的新聞稿啊好像出現了前後矛盾這環保團體明確要求說有些地方設光電板要納入環評包括國家公園以及環境敏感區我看你的新聞裡面回應你說 來 博定你看一下這是你們自己發的新聞稿嘛是回應的嘛你說 |
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一級環境敏感區山坡地等訴求都已經納入有嗎 目前你們跟環境部你們兩位都猛點頭有確定有納入嗎環評法裡面國家公園啊野生動物保護區啊還有這個山坡地如果超過15公頃以上的就是你這邊現在都要環評現行的規定就是要環評 |
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這些規定 一級環境敏感區我找你叫你們 我有印出來喔你們這個標準裡面沒有出現這個字眼啊是 一級 這個是一個我不曉得怎麼去定義但是我們明確的就是國家公園還有山坡地如果是沒有沒有沒有 不定不定國家公園跟山坡地是另外的一級環境敏感區是另外專有名詞是一個明定的 對不對 |
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那裡面沒有嘛 我跟你講一級敏感地區我們本來就不會核准他本來就禁止來來來 這專有名詞耶你頂法律要照條文來這個是內政部國土署環境敏感地區查詢平台上面寫的這不能隨便 隨便亂講耶來 看一下22項包括什麼 |
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包括第21項水庫的集水區包括水庫的蓄水範圍有嗎所以柏定你們現在是已經公布說包括烏山頭水庫包括所有的水庫蓄水範圍的全部都要做環評嗎 |
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這個水庫跟那個蓄水範圍因為它一定有法令的規定所以我們是依照其他法令的規定所以你看這個新聞稿就自打嘴巴了嘛你講的這個一級環境敏感區這個是專有名詞是明定的我現在給你看的是國土屬清清楚楚名列的 |
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那如果照這樣就是你就跟全國公布好消息就包括現在開始水庫上面的任何光電板都要還平是不是這樣結果沒有嘛 你們又沒有還沒做這個嘛 對不對所以你這個新聞稿是不是有漏洞用字引起了誤會甚至是自己前後就矛盾了嘛所以我們把它更正好好不好 |
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好 這個我們可以來釐清 如果它裡面有特別反應的話你看你的新聞過來 回到新聞館再看一下你說把一級的敏感區域已經全部都納入嘛結果你下面又寫一個說其他項目 例如說水庫的水面你們正在做這個相關的檢討 |
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這個就前後就矛盾了嘛所以趕快更正好不好好OK我本來以為是好消息我今天本來很期待說如果不是前後矛盾就是你們已經因為像我們台灣民眾島就明確我們也在討論我們要求說5公頃設置光電板5公頃以上1萬千瓦以上的就要環評嘛你們說還沒訂嘛對不對所以你這個新聞稿是有錯誤的嘛趕快把它更正好好不好好來趕快把它更正好接下來 |
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是不是出現了環境部打臉了經濟部啊來我看您來我們看下一張你講到這個水庫上面光電板水上光電板這個到底有沒有毒的你們發了一個新聞稿說啊經過你們這個專業的這個測試啊RO逆滲透水這個浸泡毀壞光電板這光電板毀壞了破碎了你們去做了實驗七天以後水質跟這個飲用水標準還是符合的 |
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那我要問的很重要那三個月後呢 |
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這個水質的測試那麼我們自來水公司它進水的時候每天都有做測試那剛才講這個是工研院當時做的7日測試當然要做更長也可以我說你說7天安全我說如果三個月以後有安全嗎來我看一下你看你們的標準你們的飲水飲水安全的標準是什麼用鉛來做你們的飲水安全是1公升0.01毫克對不對這個是合乎標準對不對 |
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好來看一下這是環境部做的環境部做的喔上去環境部的網站上面看那個投影片現在都還找得到他說把光電板破碎浸泡一個月跟三個月的簽的容出量 |
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這邊紅胎 咖哩這邊 但那是紅胎 光電板不是被破壞了對不對破碎啦 有些沉到水裡面去啦 那來看依照環境部的這個模擬容數的簽在一個月的時候 0.00076到了三個月 0.298 |
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保證0.298這個容數非常嚴重耶這就是已經超過你的飲水水質的標準你剛才看的安全就是0.01嘛 對不對他是那幾倍他是幾倍 他有兩個很重要 來來保證你們說安全是0.01對不對這個是水源啦 0.029是在水源區嘛水源區的話是0.05 |
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對0.05的標準那你要飲用水還要經過過濾處理啊等等一些情況那為什麼環境部要去做烏山土的這個水質的測驗 |
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你看這是他們做的啊本來你整個水庫的水質就是要做測驗啊文建部也這樣做啊那我給你看他做出來的來上一張做出來的他做出來的是什麼包括烏山頭水庫的你如他去取樣嘛對不對他說如果浸泡完之後一個月七天沒問題嘛對不對他一個月沒問題啊 |
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可是 沙灰的問題啊 它有兩個很嚴重的問題第一個 它超標的 你們說的安全的標準沙灰沒有沒有超標 它是小於0.05啊它是小於0.05啊 這個飲用的這個水質 飲用水源啊那右邊那個呢 |
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那個是以後 你說的是水質 那是處理後的 右邊那個是處理完以後我們 對啊 所以他們全部 就是環境部全部這兩個都做嘛你懂我意思嗎 那你至少 當然水質水源水質是要符合的 水質當然也是要標準的啊你先來看 我要先講兩個重點來來來 第一個來 你聽我說 聽我說 第一他的 |
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0.029超過了原來的水質標準的3倍 更嚴重是什麼來來來 你做個比較1月份 你聽我說啦民眾有這個疑問嘛我們開過會很多民眾在投訴這個事情嘛1月到3月增加幾倍39.2倍就表示你這個事情 保定只要你這個事情沒有做好 |
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他的簽的容數量一直在增加嘛一個月你自己新聞稿跟民眾講說7天7天沒問題對不對你自己也做檢測說7天沒問題啊結果一個月已經開始慢慢有問題了更嚴重的過三個月多了39.2倍那現在嚴重在什麼地方我現在跟你講一個很重要的不只是環境部他們自己去做的烏山頭水質還做了這個破碎的這個整個測驗那我們看下一張嘉義這邊紅苔 |
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聯合報啊 聯合報在9月19號 就是颱風過後的兩個多月 聯合報喔 去做專題報導 去追裡面還有很多的是毀壞的光電板 還躺在水裡我到了三個月 就剛講了 過了三個月 我店面給你看 裡面有很多光電板說禮拜一 很多這個環保團體來 |
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來陳情的時候 他們特別提什麼森林城市協會的理事長莊傑任他怎麼說他說這邊虹胎造成的這個製虹紙或者水面的這個整個掉到裡面去 他說什麼光電板存入水下 難以打撈清楚歐盛聯盟裡一個月到三個月增加那麼多到現在有些可能都還沒清出來現在要怎麼辦 簽一直在釋出嘛 對不對 |
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簽的容量還一直在釋出嘛你到現在可能還簽不乾淨我可以講一個很重要的很多民眾在旁邊像那個嘉義市的志鴻池旁邊有很多民眾在那邊垂釣釣回去那個魚有民眾叫我今天問你啦說那個魚釣回來給部長吃給能源署署長吃 |
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我說我不要這樣問你可是你們是不是有責任志鴻池不能有魚啦志鴻池不能有魚志鴻池不能有魚每個志鴻池都買有魚你等一下去看你每次去都買看到有人在那邊垂釣不行啊裡面就是有魚啊所以民眾說叫我問你啊說釣回來給你吃好不好我說不要這樣問部長你們的責任就是趕快把它打撈乾淨然後更重要的不要讓那個錢繼續存在危害民眾好不好 |
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我們還是會持續檢驗啦因為我們原水的部分只要進到我們飲用水的部分原水就會檢驗一次飲用水也會檢驗一次啦到目前為止來講的話都沒有超過標準容量容息量非常的少而且人體危害很厲害好不好而且我剛才跟你講它影響有多大你看 氫對健康有多大影響 |
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幾乎對人體內所有器官跟系統都有影響所以我們取水的時候取水點就會檢測取水點那個部分就會檢測所以你要盡量減少嘛 對不對來 我給你看它的傷害有多大嘛影響成人跟孩童的神經系統 |
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然後呢他不要講長期曝露喔只要曝露就導致會貧血血壓升高特別是小孩子你看下面這個我幫你整理了牽對孩童的健康部長你把詳細的資料能夠跟我們的委員做報告這個很重要不要有讓人家誤解的地方再麻煩部長謝謝因為時間已經到了我儘快一分鐘儘快做結論來往下跑我現在跟你講特別對小孩影響很大那日本日本都發生了 |
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在水庫上面的它不是飲水的它是一般的灌溉用的發生了這個風災的時候火災那光電板當然那個簽了那個壞掉以後簽那個容疏就更嚴重了對不對結果發現要去消防要去滅火非常的困難在台灣發生的是什麼看來台灣經濟咱們台南這個漁電工生也發生了那個光電板起火消防人員沒辦法馬上去救火你知道嗎水是倒體嘛 |
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對不對 會顛倒捏所以我說光電板火災或者是它發生有災難的時候你們要怎麼救災避免光電板壞掉以後融到水裡面牽絲這要做好最後做這個訴求來第一個 趕快去釐清剛你承認的那個你所謂的水庫或水面上水上型的光電板你到底什麼狀況下要做環評你剛承認那個新聞稿有錯誤嘛 對不對 |
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所以趕快去把它更正把標準把它明確的定出來那第二個目前有很多地方包括水庫自風室上面都有光電板你要去加強它的安全這個維護好不好第三個很重要我剛才說的打撈那環保團體前天來行政院就跟你們講嘛打撈不乾淨那你們要趕快去打撈要想想辦法不能讓那個鉛這樣一直在釋出好不好然後剛剛講的就是如果發生這個災難的時候我們要去救活要有一個指引做演練好不好好 謝謝 |