| IVOD_ID |
164727 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164727 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-28T14:31:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-28T14:47:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92aebe1c891438faee043de442a3224989a1be6dc52a58ecd7ad197eff9b23f1d5dcb3123ad56a9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:31:03 - 14:47:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第6次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、討論事項：本院交通委員會報告併案審查委員徐巧芯等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一條文修正草案」等案共4案。（施政質詢後接續進行）三、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席麻煩請行政院卓院長還有財政部莊部長麻煩請財政部長備詢服務員好 院長好 部長好辛苦了 最近為了這個 |
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各種天災啊包括這個非洲豬瘟要如何來趕快來讓他清零解決問題費了很大的力氣團隊也很辛苦大家通力合作我們能面對共產黨但是有人講說這個非洲豬瘟會傳進來台灣有各種管道除了從疫區回來的旅客所攜帶的個人行李 |
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另外還有一個很大的可能性就是從外國的小包裹郵件寄進來那院長知不知道依照中華民國的法律消費者保護法我們如果在一般的實體店面買到一個商品結果這個商品對人體造成危害譬如說一個充電器就有到爆炸把我的手 |
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炸斷那這個做加害給付法律上叫加害給付依照消費者保護法他所該求償的對象除了賣東西給他的店家還有製造商甚至如果有負責任的廣告商廣告這個商品都有可能會要進到損害賠償的範圍內來 |
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我們現在對於網購這些電商台灣最大三間目前有淘寶、蝦皮還有韓國那一間叫互碰這個在台灣都沒有實體的落地也就是說我們的消費者如果我在網路上面看到一個淘寶的中國的商品 |
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我就去網路下單他用小包裹就寄過來台灣領到了沒有下地所以就想請教院長我們要了解那如果這個商品對人體發生了危害剛剛那個例子或是說他寄進來的食品裡面就是有非洲豬瘟的病毒結果造成這麼大的損害那 |
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要去向誰球場賣東西給你的製造商在中國啊大部分在中國啊賣東西給你的通路淘寶在台灣沒有落地啊那請問要向誰球場呢 |
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報告委員如果真的沒有落地的話真的是求償無盟所以對剛剛委員所說的幾家網路的購物包括蝦皮跟庫蓬目前他們都有分公司或是直接投資商在台灣 |
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有落地但是淘寶跟現在滿天廣告的這所謂拼多多目前來看他是完全沒有落地就是要跟你講現在拼多多因為中國低價商品他內捲的關係他大量製造傾銷全世界對全世界造成非常大的傷害他現在還在網路上做英文做廣告說他要獎勵 |
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便宜幾百億幾百億讓這個拼多多的商品可以到全世界去那我們來看看全世界其他的國家大部分的國家是怎麼處理你們秀歐盟的給院長看一下這裡沒有歐盟規定他非要有落地而且就這個要代扣稅 |
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否則的話他這個東西不可以進到歐盟的這個領域裡面來這是最嚴格的一定要有這樣實施然後還要稅的代扣還都一起處理那這個當然需要很強的行政分工包括所有的商品的追蹤所有的那個東西檢驗都要有但是這個好處誰賣東西給我將來出了問題誰該負責任跑不掉 |
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這是歐盟的狀況看看日本日本接近歐盟歐盟稍微慢一點但是他也是進行目前照這樣的狀況最後再講隔壁的韓國韓國現在要求我們現在要去他現在開始今年開始實施去了電商一定要落地這個網路購物商一定要落地 |
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所以是不是買的人扣那還是另外一回事但是電路上這樣扣落地所以我想剛剛跟我的對話你非常同意這些網路的電商必須要落地 |
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那請問你要如何做啊 部長你認為應該要如何做你們行政團隊如何落實那請經濟部長 時間暫停委員請教一下 要不要請農業部跟數位部沒有沒有 我現在在問電商的事情農業部只是一個商品而已你們其他部長先請回座嘛我們農業部請回 數位部請回 時間繼續你如何要求讓它落地呢 |
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因為我們現在還不允許中國的在我們這邊經營電商那問題是你淘寶的拼多多的我們台灣的人一直買你不允許在經營電商就一直進來啊你這不是言而道理嗎現在淘寶他只能在我們這邊發類似廣告傳單這樣他不能經營這個平台那院長社會的經驗 |
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超寶拼多多的商品不停的進到台灣光這幾個月就幾萬件從中國過來的這個小型包裹結果我們經濟部的工部長說不能經營電商所以這個不算這不算嗎不是不算我們現在也很積極尤其是現在這個時間點所以我要問說如何落實你剛剛講的必須落地 |
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這個違法的肉品不能進來萬一如果查到這個時候 正在這個時候我們更要強力來查緝我現在講的不是只有肉品啊我剛剛講的比如說充電寶那不是肉品啊但是那個有可能對人身造成傷害造成加害給付的貨品啊 |
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那我是舉這個例子如果你不落地部長你能夠保證那這樣子拼多多跟淘寶網買的東西不能進來喔不然的話你說他不經營電商台灣不承認結果每天這麼多的包裹一直在進來那到底那個算什麼如果照你這樣的邏輯那那個算什麼 |
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因為現在消費者他也不一定只是跟中國買他跟全世界平台都在買那如果要求如果你的邏輯這樣講的話財政部的海關是不是要把所有的中國來的這個沒有落地電商的這些包裹全部都要退運不准他進來啊照經濟部的部長講的是這樣啊他不可以在這裡經營啊我看我們分三個層次當然不是這樣一個現在就是全面查緝這些違規違法的 |
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第二個沒有在這裡落地的我剛說除了蝦皮跟酷捧之外淘寶跟拼多多 |
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我們是不是有人要求他限期他必須完成這種法律上的要求他一定會繞道來落地他如果想做的話他如果繞道符合我們的法規那至少他納管如果限期連這個做都不行那我們要下更大的力道了所以我今天就是要問你說如何你準備落實這件事情因為落地不是只有光落地喔我們政府應該要考量一個足夠的資本額 |
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我舉個例子我落地我拿個100萬來台幣來台灣住個廁一定要相符一定要假設他一年是做百億台幣的生意他在台灣的分公司的資本額至少也要10億因為萬一發生了損害的時候你才有辦法去損害賠償啊才有辦法去求償啊如果所以我現在除了要求落地之外落地的時候必須要有足夠的 |
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負擔責任的資本額作為背後如果你不用資本額的方式那你是不是要提供其他擔保或是 |
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簡單講他要不要我了解委員的意思就他在這裡的商業行為他必須為以後的法身的各種責任負擔的起的因為我一開始開宗明義就跟你講說中華民國是有消費者保護法的你行政院有義務要去執行消費者保護法消費者保護法對於實體也好通路的也好這個商品如果對於消費者構成損害這個製造商跟經銷商 |
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是要負連帶損害賠償責任這法有明文啊那你如果放任這個淘寶拼多多這一類的電商他不來台灣落地但是拼命寄小包裹進來消費者如果發生要求償的狀況之後到目前的法律他只能去中國告他那中國的製造商你也找不到 |
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中國的這個大型的這種網購中國的法院會理你嗎你認為中國會這樣執行法律嗎部長你怎麼講怎麼落實我想這個部分第一個在電子勞務的部分做稅籍登記已經非常明確那個是服務啦對 那是電子勞務但是服務這個貨物的部分確實是如同剛剛我們部長講他們並沒有在這邊登記但他是因為貨物進來他是一個平台所以這個部分呢 |
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目前來說我們可以看看再跟經濟部再會後再來聯繫怎麼處理不是研究我跟你講消費者保護法第九條 |
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很清楚跟你講消費者培訓法第九條現行條文輸入商品或服務之企業經營者視為該商品之設計生產製造者或服務之提供者負本條第七本法第七條的責任就是要負連帶損害賠償的責任所以你如果硬要去給他切割界定他把拼多多他們是平台服務他們不是商品的輸入者這我不能接受啦 |
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我看這樣子 現在目前最緊急的就是這個豬瘟所以我們會全面查緝 |
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之後查緝同時啊我要求經濟部跟數化部我們研究如何要他限期落地他如果限期不落地登記不納入管制的話那這個平台數化部要求把他讓他下架讓他沒有辦法再做同樣的行為我們盡快會來完整我剛剛有跟你提供幾個法律的他山之石可以攻錯有歐盟有日本有韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
737.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
美國為什麼我們要講美國也是這樣要求但是因為美國有50個州他每一個州的法令不一樣所以很難在這邊統一解釋但是原則上也是必須要落地當然啦這些大型的這個網路購物這個平台網路購物的這些商店他可能瞧不起你台灣啊你這個規模太小啊我不要來你這邊落地啊你們沒有法律啊你奈我何啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
738.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
765.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這個都是不正確的態度啦台灣不是這樣漫無法紀的國家我們會堅持但是我們現在在這方面的法令比西方還有周遭的國家都落後所以這個我非常要求第二個他們這樣之後因為免去非常多的責任成本是減輕的所以他可以用很低的價格來跟你拼價格戰這對台灣的製造商非常不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
766.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
779.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
台灣的製造商 台灣的實體商店他們是要繳貨物稅 要繳各種稅金還要養員工 還要養店主還要出店主 賺了錢之後還要繳稅結果這些網路購物的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
781.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
805.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
完全不用負責任然後它相對的成本就低所以就會造成非常多的問題競爭上的不公平我們如果要保護台灣的製造商這也是一個很重要的課題最近一段時間一直在觀測網路上的一個訊息我對於有一家廠商剛剛提到的拼多多那種廣告的手法怎麼有辦法投注那麼大的廣告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
806.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
834.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
能力那表示說他是用低價或是另外一種這個不法的競爭在國內會造成競爭上的不公平那這個部分我覺得我們這整個相關的法律也要來保護合法的廠商才對 中國的商業習慣先用低價把對手都拼倒了人家都關閉了之後我再來想辦法再來拉高價格這他一貫的手法好那我們現在進行剛剛你講的初分的第二個問題居然有人在網路上面發視頻說逃避 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
835.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
845.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
機場進出的時候的這個手提行李的檢查有人網路上拍視頻在教這個不知道你有沒有看過部長不知道你有沒有看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
848.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
875.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
但是我們現在對高風險區來的手提行李是百分之百的都要經過X光檢查同時有防檢局那邊提高這個開箱的查驗同時有檢疫權在做我們知道有這個規定但是我就跟你講說連網路上都有人做視頻在跟你講說要逃避檢查這個如果涉及到災害防救的過程我們有相關的法律 散佈不實的謠言我們要強力來調查是不是不實我不知道但是就是有這個網路我還可以找出來給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
876.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
902.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
所以我是跟你講說就是會有少數人他不遵守法令然後還要這樣子惡搞所以你們那個檢查現在當然因為過去陳平日久你嚴格的檢查有人會不耐煩說這個實在是太麻煩但是事情一發生才發生對台灣造成這麼大的損害所以現在應該如果你要求嚴格的檢查國人都會支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
902.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
914.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我全力要求因為過去七八年我們嚴守邊境非常的嚴謹一定要更嚴不能放鬆那請莊部長跟陳部長先回座請這個交通部陳部長麻煩請交通部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
923.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
950.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
院長跟部長謝謝你們昨天來這個國道1號的五股交流道北出閘道進到新莊這邊來的這個等於是啟用昨天下午四點啟用很辛苦但是我還是有其他交通要求我們現在新北市政府急於要去定案這個泰山到板橋的捷運輕軌其中我們新莊後港跟西勝20個里沒有捷運 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
951.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
959.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
這裡有十幾萬人口本席過去曾經對前交通部長要求請他評估作為一個後港犧牲的支線現在台北新北市政府完全不願意我拜託你要定案的時候一定要留下預留的總統他不要將來別的市長的時候至少我們還有一個資格的資金如果你是定案一個完全沒有一個可以接口的話那這個我們不能容許後港跟犧牲十萬居民會對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
989.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
990.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好 謝謝 |