| IVOD_ID |
164719 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164719 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-27T12:21:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-27T12:32:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e3c6c6412082f242105ea504fbc1b0fee1e8926e407b158ae4a5f6733a763a60be8a7296b23f08fd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:21:03 - 12:32:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案計1案。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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你好 麻煩請代理主委主委請代理主委好前幾天我看到NCC非常積極的發了一個澄清稿說有外界在質疑說NCC什麼26連敗這是不實消息 所以你們就澄清了那你知不知道人家講的26連敗是指什麼 |
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就是把這個還沒重判前的各級省的一些曾經比方說一省二省之類的一省二省三省嘛那請問一下你平常我們講勝訴敗訴是說一省勝二省勝還是只看中省平常一省會不會說勝訴會不會 |
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法院會不會宣判說一審誰勝訴或一審誰敗訴就是看語境會不會嘛看講話的語境會不會嘛如果脈絡是針對一審當然會是嘛所以當然一審二審你連續二十幾場敗也是一件很奇怪的事啊你知道為什麼大家要提醒這件事兩個原因啊第一個原因是對NCC的失望 |
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就是說當時NCC為什麼會成立是因為大家認為說新聞局放在行政院下面可能會干預到媒體嘛所以才獨立機關結果NCC居然可以成為殘害新聞自由的打手居然一審二審可以一直輸一直輸一直輸可以輸成這個樣子第二個喔 我要跟你講喔大部分的行政機關 |
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如果有人有被裁罰的人提起訴願其實被裁罰的人要贏的機會是很低的不要說一審二審都很低終審更是很低結果你一個NC的機關可以輸成這個樣子然後你們還大言不慚的講說沒有啦我們沒有那麼差啦我們只輸七次我們只輸七次 |
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你們來看一下你們說我們對中天裁罰26件我們只有敗了7件26件敗7件也是很難得的事情你要不要去跟其他機關比一下 |
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大部分公務人員都是依法行政如果你依法行政你很客觀的話你會被法院打臉成這個樣子嗎各位報告行政院相關有統計我們在各個部會裡頭行政訴訟的一些敗訴筆其實越少越好部分我們NC算是前段班 |
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所以你針對中天耶我們說針對中天耶我們把中天都分成六個中天這個個案嘛我們現在講中天嘛中天你裁罰26件你已經被打臉7件 終審7件哦26分之7這麼高的比例你說你是 你很棒 |
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你很棒 所有的行政處分不是 誰跟你講行政處分我們在講說你有沒有侵害到新聞自由特別中天這一案嘛你把那些什麼電信的算進來你把那個都算進來 沒有人跟你講這個針對中天 26件裡面有7件已經確定你覺得很低你覺得很低 我覺得我們可以檢討你覺得很低 所以主委你不要再凹了啦我覺得國人只有公平啦 26件裡面現在已經有7件 |
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主委你說很低我說我們可以檢討可以檢討所以你也認為可以檢討嘛那一天我們在審理NCC那個人事案的時候被提名的那個主委他也覺得可以檢討啊我不知道為什麼你要幫前NCC護航啦然後你們我現在就針對你提出來的這個數據你現在講說新國大使盯場報導不實還有丟棄200萬噸文旦假新聞案這次才處無誤是不是無誤是不是 |
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就是無誤的意思是什麼無誤的意思是說中天有提訴訟然後最後法院已經終審確定NCC無誤了是不是就是17件裡頭中天有6件沒有提訴訟有11件NCC是跟中天打官司最好是終局判是勝訴的 |
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所以這兩件是指NCC勝訴是不是不是 先不要換那 剛剛那這兩個紫色圈起來這兩個是NCC勝訴是不是沒有 兩件是徵送當中徵送當中你可以說無誤沒有 無誤是指26等於2加17再加7所以現在我紫色列出來的這兩個還在徵送當中嘛對徵送當中是有可能中天會贏嘛 |
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有可能 那你寫無誤無誤是指紅色的部分不是啦 你這邊直接四個 包括你說NC勝訴及對中間處分確定有17件這17件確定是不會再改了嘛你現在要告訴大家是這個嘛 |
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有17件不會再改了嘛然後左邊舉例嘛包括節目刻意廣告水神然後下面有兩個一個是新國大使頂場報導不實還有一個丟棄200萬噸什麼文旦假新聞嘛17件無誤裡面包括這兩件嘛 |
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結果我現在問你這兩件是不是你跟我講說沒有還在真送中我講兩件是真送中委員講是說這個圖的右邊這個兩件這樣子那至於左邊這兩個個案是不是真送中還是已經確定當中請問處長來說明一下這是真送中還是已經確定了已經確定了已經確定已經確定那跟我掌握到資料不一樣喔 |
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紫色框起來這兩個目前齁還在訴訟中還在訴訟中你跟我講無誤委員不好意思我說的訴訟中是包括KTV甩巴掌跟風台倒數六件並不含這兩件訴訟中那這兩件是已經無誤了這兩件已經是判決確定這兩件已經判決確定你確定你確定 |
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我還會去再查啦你還會去再查那如果說你在這邊說謊怎麼辦沒有我沒有說謊你這個圖表你做的嘛你現在就告訴人家說這兩件是無誤嘛所以就不可能真送中啊然後我現在再問你請問一下另外還有三件蘇貞昌開罵什麼網軍你十萬這兩件是真送中還是無誤了這兩件是真送中還是無誤 |
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我們回家就確認 應該跟委員報告17件裡頭有6件中間沒有提訴訟我知道我知道他沒有提訴訟我現在在確定說還有幾件真送中嘛就兩件你現在是17件確定17件確定 然後7件是 |
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NCC敗訴 七件NCC敗訴 兩件徵送中嘛請你把資料 匯後 今天提供給我到底是哪幾件 你們是已經判定 已經確定然後哪兩件是徵送中 還有哪幾件是NCC敗訴的總共加起來26件 對 徵送中確定是KTV甩巴掌 豐台倒數 這兩案我們再來看下一頁 這個是 |
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可能是網友抓你們的圖啦所以現在網路上就一堆講說中天敗訴16件 請問一下中天有敗訴16件嗎有打官司的部分是敗訴11件11件 那所以中天敗訴16件是一個假消息是吧應該是說確定沒有徵訟拿來的敗訴嘛 |
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對喔 對吧所以戴主委你剛剛講說沒有敗訴16件嘛因為他 你剛剛講說他有6件沒有提訴訟嘛所以敗訴16件是個假消息這個在網路上也傳的很多啊我就沒有看到你出來澄清啊沒有 之前在這邊有...沒關係 中天敗訴16件是假消息 對吧 |
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敗訴11件是正確消息17件處分確定這也是事實因為他沒有提送我現在問你中天有沒有敗訴16件沒有嘛這應該不是NCC假消息嘛假消息嘛 但他因為他用了NCC的圖表嘛所以大家會認為說這是NCC發出來的圖啊 |
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我們圖表的用詞是說財主確定確定包括他沒有提送這個我知道 我現在跟你確定這個圖表你看他這個圖表上面是用NCC的東西嘛右邊自己下一個說敗訴16件嘛大家會認為說這個因為他上面也沒有署名嘛所以大家就認為說這NCC發出來的圖啊我知道不是你們發的啊我現在跟你確定啊所以中天沒有敗訴16件嘛所以你在這邊呼籲一下請這個網友不要造謠呼籲一下請網友不要造謠 |
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就是文字解讀要謹慎我們是NCC勝訴加處分確定總共好 最後跟你問你剛剛到底那個勝訴敗訴那個具體案件你再提供給我會後來提供給我我再跟代理主委詢問一下因為上一次我們在審查人事的時候有確定四個委員好 四個委員最慢大概是五月初的時候全部被徵詢完畢了都已經答應要當NCC委員了最慢的那五月初 |
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你們什麼時候送過來 七月底嗎包委員就之前在行政院不在NCC對啊 他送過來是五月 六月 七月嘛大概過了快三個月才送來啦其實你應該要出來講幾句話 為什麼因為行政院這個動作會讓大家覺得NCC不重要 |
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558.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
573.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
如果NCC那麼重要的話本來按照規定去年就應該送過來拖拖拖拖到好不容易已經徵選完了五月初就已經徵選完畢再拖三個月才送過來好像NCC這個單位可有可無主委你覺得NCC這個單位到底重不重要 |
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575.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
599.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
很重要那為什麼卓榮泰認為不重要這個我沒辦法替行政院回答你幫自己捍衛一下你覺得說照道理來講行政院應該在五月徵詢完馬上就要人事趕快送來啊好像這三個月可有可無讓大家覺得NCC是沒有存在感的單位我們先前有在程序上包括在這邊大院交通委員會這邊其實也有委員在提這個事情我們有循程序跟行政院方面反映 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
599.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
624.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
你去跟協議院反映 他也不理你啊所以他5月初就徵詢完 7月底才送來啊大家覺得你們都不急啊我記得在這段時間很多委員還一直在利用質詢的時候去問行政院說名單什麼時候送來 名單什麼時候送來 行政院不急啊實際上5月初的時候 人都已經確定了啊7月底送來的人也沒變啊然後結果拖了這麼久 |
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626.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
648.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
好像感覺說NCC委員會有成立沒成立所以到底有成立沒成立差別在哪裡啊有 差很大差在哪裡啊法規命令沒辦法訂重大的換照案到年底有102件沒辦法處理然後這個頻道上下架有力電視也沒辦法處理還有一些很多的中小公立電台他董經事變更也沒辦法處理這麼嚴重喔是這麼嚴重 總統他也都當沒看到喔 |
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649.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
662.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
哇賽 哇 可能是因為那時候要等七月底大罷免才送過來原來政治鬥爭比你剛講這麼多這麼嚴重的事情他都覺得不重要欸政治鬥爭擺第一欸實在太離譜了 好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝右邊這位委員 |