| IVOD_ID |
164718 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164718 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T09:23:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T09:34:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e3c6c6412082f242b65e22d5fd7b62dc48629de9594d8cbef117ba332e8a767fe766b101dd82558b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:44 - 09:34:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 麻煩請中央銀行楊總裁好 請楊總裁 |
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吳委員早早喔是這個看到你的報告裡面提到今年上半年的經濟成長率是GDP是6.75是那因為上半年已經結束所以這是確定的對沒有錯然後你們的預估是下半年是2.51是所以全年現在預估是4.55是那當然你剛剛有講說12月的時候你們還會再開一個會然後看看是不是調整 |
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但是我提醒你第三季我們的出口仍然更超越以往更破紀錄所以我看這個明顯的2.5億這個預估應該是會要調高我想我們會仔細的去研究裡面一個很重要的原因就是我們的出口 |
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尤其是電子跟AI產品的出口這個訂單持續在增加今年對美國的粗糙你認為應該會有多少金額 |
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我有一個數據跟委員報告我們是也有做預估大概會1200億左右去年我們台灣看自己的報告是600多億的順差但是美國是說是700多億因為可能轉口什麼計算的標準不是很一致差距不大 |
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這700多億的這個順差在美國來講就已經是他前幾名的這個順差國家所以站在國際貿易的角度你認為這個應該要如何平衡我們有時候講談政治也好談國家跟國家之好一地而處 |
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今天如果有一個國家對台灣的粗糙是這麼的多的時候那你覺得台灣政府不應該要拿出一些對策嗎那如果用這樣的想法相對的美國政府也對我們提出很多的對策嘛包括他要跟你關稅談判啊然後希望你要多進口美國的東西啊要平衡貿易啊 |
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這個目標不僅達不成如果照你剛剛預估數目今年的順差會達到1200多億那我覺得你未來的問題可能面對的要很嚴峻那總裁你的想法如何平衡台灣跟美國之間的國際貿易呢 |
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我想報告委員剛剛你所講的就是說我們對美國的增加對他的一個採購這個是一個方式不管就是說是在國防後面還有其他應該 |
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人家讓我們賺了這麼多錢我們如果合理的就是要跟人家買是所以就是說現在我們要把我們就是說台灣的一個經驗要到美國去設廠我想如果說我們台積電在那邊設廠還有周遭的一些相關的一個產業鏈也能夠過去的話 |
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這個我覺得我在猜想這個也是我們平衡我們中美貿易的一個很好的方式這個方式是這樣子的因為現在美國川普總統他們政府的政策就是要製造業重回美國 |
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那製造業重回美國當然非常多的面向其中包括AI跟電子產業裡面台灣扮演重要的角色那在造船方面韓國扮演重要的角色在其他的領域日本又扮演重要的角色等等所以這是一個國際之間如何跟美國在全世界建構的貿易再平衡然後配合美國的政策的一個重要指標那因為美國的勞動界就是說他們的 |
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這個工人他的工作習慣跟台灣的文化是不一樣的另外台灣因為中小企業是很龐大所以我們是一個整個產業群組整個聚落所以我們譬如說我在台灣 |
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做的是一部分然後大家打群架嘛才會做出最終端的好產品那美國基本上他們現在的製造業沒有這樣的概念所以才說要去美國複製科學園區的概念是這樣子的觀念那問題是這個是去美國投資是只有平衡這個金融帳啊我們去那邊投資弄了很多美金去美國投資但那還是台灣的錢啊 |
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那台湾的企业到美国投资目的也是要赚更多的钱当然在美国会有制造会有工作机会但是那个只是一部分对啦没有错啦所以其实我是觉得政府的政策跟目前谈判的方向跟美国的政策是整个是一贯的啦这个对美贸易谈判我常常做一个比喻 |
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是吃西餐的套餐啦是一攬子的不能光挑裡面的一樣出來比啦那老師要比說那現在韓國是15%那台灣20%比較高問題是你韓國大家一定要投資美國4千多億的美金啊那現在李在民回到韓國說 |
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沒有辦法兌現啦因為他說如果兌現的話韓國可能會產生新的金融危機因為韓國的外匯存底跟比不上台灣嘛他自己基本上也沒有4000多億美金可以拿出來去做投資嘛那被打臉了之後現在美國政府回過頭來會怎麼對付韓國我們還在看啦 |
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那當然因為美國也有很多的問題啊譬如說他的最高法院最近也在對這個貿易談判的這個關稅問題在打法律官司在跟美國政府之間有人在跟美國政府之間打法律官司嘛所以這個10月底才會見真章嘛所以我覺得我們做一個公允的論證比較是一攬子的比較而不是只單一項目的比較沒有錯啦 是沒有錯 |
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那再來我要問你一個就是會對你產生的問題因為粗糙這麼多台灣又一直被列在外匯操縱的觀察名單那因為粗糙樹木是三大指標裡面的一個很重要的指標所以你如何來面對下面 |
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這個國家大好但是你央行在這一方面你要面對考驗那你跟我們回答一下你要如何委員講得沒有錯基本上美國財政部的匯率報告它三項的指標 |
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那第一項跟第二項就是經常漲的順差對GDP還有就對美國的一個順差的金額這兩項我們從以前到現在都一直存在的那如果說第三項的話第三項如果我們又觸及到它的時候呢就如同委員說的我們就變成操縱了 |
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那操縱的話呢在現在呢這個關稅談判的過程當中呢如果我們又被他抓住這個把柄的話就是說我們台灣呢是操縱匯率的話那這個呢就會變成一個很大的一個事件所以基本上呢我們央行也非常的注意他所以呢但是呢我想呢我們有兩個目標第一個目標呢我們是盡量的 |
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要维持我们汇率的稳定让我们的进出口厂商它的报价能够稳定它的营运能够顺畅这是第一个我们的目标这个我觉得最重要是是是第二个目标呢我们呢 |
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在因為我們跟美國之間財政部的一個在討論的過程當中我們彼此之間的一個關係也蠻良好的也蠻良好的溝通順暢溝通非常順暢但是即使是順暢但是我們還是不要去踩到他的紅線 |
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是但是總裁我現在是講你前面剛剛講那兩樣是我們台灣一直存在沒有錯但是去年存在的客觀現實是對美順超700多億美金但是今年你已經預估到1200多億所以前面那個不利的因素在累加你不能夠說我出超700多億的時候跟出超1200多億的時候是一樣的看待 |
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我覺得美國不一定會這樣看待你我們不能一廂情願不過我也跟委員報告在目前的情況之下我們也要認為事實上美國在AI的方面它也是非常依賴我們台灣 |
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當然我覺得技術上面還有製造上面我們跟美國是互補如果是未來的高科技產業所謂的電子高科技產業AI這一方面我覺得美國跟台灣的合作會是未來世界的先驅我們已經知道好的位置當然希望繼續維持下去但是我是覺得說 |
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這個方面如何跟我們跟美國之間的匯率等等這些問題當然最重要是要維持穩定因為台灣的市場小你如果太多的美金進到台灣投資這些股市然後來來去去會造成幣值的不穩定沒有錯 委員也是觀察得非常的仔細 |
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最後一個小問題就是你的新台幣改版你說要向公眾提出徵詢那我先表達我的意見給你聽我是希望未來的新台幣不要再把政治人物放到上面去當這個頭像其實那個時代已經過去了早足以 |
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這彰顯台灣的特色 台灣的東西把它放到這上面來這是我的建議 無論是哪一個政治人物都不要再放上去委員的建議 我想我們會納入參考好 謝謝 加油你的這個責任很重是 謝謝 謝謝委員主席謝謝吳秉仁委員 |