| IVOD_ID |
164714 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164714 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-27T11:44:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-27T11:59:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e3c6c6412082f242f59e711232b44c74e1e8926e407b158adb58d727d9e799558401a8fd86e0fba65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:55 - 11:59:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案計1案。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請NCC代理主委主委請主委好 拜讀今天NCC的業務報告我看了你們說針對有關於電視新聞 |
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你們會公開廣電監理資訊帶動他律作為敦促媒體自律會追蹤評估新聞內容的品質做觀測報告到目前為止你覺得你們做的有任何成效嗎不好意思我們時間的關係啦我也不想佔其他委員的時間要不然會一直很辛苦要一直按鈴一直按鈴一直按鈴搞得大家都很吵所以請針對問題簡潔回答你覺得有效嗎 |
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我們覺得我們會持續來盡盡努力你當然要努力我現在問你的是有效還沒效請問我問你A啊你答B我問你有效沒效你說你會繼續努力作為ACC的代理主委你覺得有效沒效有一定的成效有一定的成效 真的有成效我們來看你們說 |
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要透過評鑑換照機制促使業者正常營運改善缺失提升節目自播的品質我看了以後這嘆為觀止啊NCC這種東西寫的出來NCC到底是一個獨立的機關還是在看顏色辦事啊我再問一次NCC是一個獨立的機關用相同的標準處理所有的事情還是看顏色辦事為什麼現在 |
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這麼多樂天人 這麼多社會大眾對NCC委員缺額大家完全無感啊我說到絕大多數的陳情是NCC是個廢物機關啊也有人叫NCC張嘻嘻啊就問一下絕大多數真的有在關注NCC業務的人大家是怎麼想的我為什麼這樣講我這個人不喜歡談抽象的事情 具體的來看 |
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淨電視啊當初陳耀祥去幫忙喬直照的淨電視啊說我用假的對話截圖蒙騙社會結果人家律師函說是真的這種假新聞按照現行的法律要怎麼處理如果涉及違反事實查證我們收到檢舉之後都會請業者來答覆然後會請業者提他的論文會來處理然後整個處理程序要多久 |
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平均下來應該30天左右30天 沒關係我30天以後再問我把所有的證據攤開來叫進電視出來說明結果不出來說明 耍賴發聲明罵我你憑什麼做這則新聞我黃旺昌說話 我黃旺昌負責徹徹底底的假新聞人家律師都出函了結果發那什麼聲明 |
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我背後有靠山 你NCC算什麼啊我當初進電視怎麼拿到執照的綠營多少人在幫我奔走你NCC敢拿我怎麼樣喔廣電法27條第三項53條 代理主委法規很熟比一堆被提名的人要來得好 |
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新被提名的主委 連這基本的法規都搞不懂啊看起來你這個代理主委啊 比那個被提名的人更有資格當主委一個被提名當主委的 上次同意選審查 站在那個地方我問他他還跟我說無法格管我只是不知道啦 卓榮他的道理在幹嘛騙立法院 說有人有生涯考慮五月底以前送不來 一直拖一直拖 |
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拖到大罷免大落賽以後才心不甘情不願把名單送過來行政院院長在國會公然說謊這件事情的責任啊台灣民眾黨黨團一定會追究但不關你的事再來看結果他發聲明說我是引述其他媒體的報導引述其他媒體的報導要不要符合查證原則要還是不要從法律的觀點 |
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是法律觀點大法官4-509或者112年宪判第8號是要在合理範圍內進到查證的義務是嘛所以不可以用引述別人講的話就卸責對不對他必須要在他的合理範圍內好沒有關係啊所以嘛他發這個聲明連被提名的人看下去都看不下去啦黃老師就在上面直接打臉啊 |
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黃老師最起碼比那個主委的被提名人懂法規啊就違反衛廣法啊任何媒體都應該要做新聞查證啊你可以說 啊 進電視可以說我是引用進週刊的啦就可以卸責喔 沒有 還是要做新聞查證我現在就等著看啊你們ACC被提名有一個姓羅的說 喔 問題在於假新聞 |
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說得很好啊 問題在於假新聞啊我準備等著看你們NCC面對假新聞啊是同一套標準還是不同標準啊遇到綠媒整個膝蓋就軟了綠媒背後有民進黨派系欸我NCC哪得罪得起啊再往下看說我用殷欽當人頭 匯款公司 那家公司有港資結果搞了半天 |
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到時候到現在拿不出證據死不道歉我問了他們半天我哪個陰莖笑掉人家大牙結果我請他們道歉來看一下多囂張啊他說沒有啦我從來就沒有說是匯款是住資來 主委看一下左下角 |
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看一下左下角 禁新聞怎麼下標的我講話向來有憑有據啊黃國昌小姨子匯款百萬證據在哪裡我還特別打電話問我小姨子 你有匯款百萬嗎他就見到鬼啦拿不出證據 再看右手邊一樣禁新聞 又是禁新聞 |
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說我從頭到尾沒有說匯款我講的是注資現在是什麼禁新聞打臉禁新聞喔我左下角白寫黑字寫匯款右下角說我從來就沒有這樣子講可以這樣做假新聞喔為什麼這樣肆無忌憚為什麼這樣肆無忌憚 |
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沒有我看了現實上的東西在看你們的書面報告我覺得NCC提的書面報告根本是一場笑話人家很囂張啊哪裡有在忌憚我一天到晚做假新聞不高興你搖我 |
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各位報告兩個部分第一個在衛廣電視節目上播出他必須要受衛廣法拘束如果他涉及到這個違反事實查證後續的諮詢會議上會有多方的專家學者來共同沒有關係啦我就說啦我這個人的個性就事論事有多少證據我講多少話 |
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我在國會殿堂針對這件事情提出質詢我不用攤開來告訴你說人家怎麼講的我有栽贓他嗎我有塞一句話到他的嘴巴嗎白紙黑字啊全部都進電視的沒有關係啊我等著看你們NCC要怎麼處理啊衛星廣播事業境外衛星廣播事業評鑑審查辦法有審查的程序嗎我上次就問過進電視 |
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現在有在進行評鑑嗎你5月1號回我說送交審查資料階段還沒有進入初審現在進入初審了嗎已經進入了什麼時候評鑑會完成評鑑最後一關要上委員會議 現在沒有委員會議那初審結果出來了嗎那個階段已經結束了初審結果出來了沒有 |
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審查中 審查中嘛 人家在後面搖頭你馬上急著說要送委員會 連審查報告都還沒出來是要送什麼委員會 沒關係啊我靜靜的看啦 看你們NCC在立法院報告 評鑑換照很有幫助 有助於提升新聞品質來看看嘛 看看現實上是不是這樣看在目前中華民國台灣 |
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看的是新聞品質 看的是假新聞還是看的是顏色正確不正確再往下看 談話性節目來我先援引一下NCC前委員洪貞玲她發表的論文洪貞玲說 不是我說的 是洪貞玲的論文寫的 |
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NCC認為不論時事新聞報導或政論節目應該以言論的實質內容是否涉及可辨識真偽的事實而論而不是以節目的形式論斷否則將使得談話節目淪為製造謠言而無庸負責的法律真空 |
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NCC也要求談話節目主持人及製作單位因為來賓的即時言論提出質疑要求證據等確信而非盡信這個是NCC的前委員洪貞玲他在論文的裡面他去表述NCC向來的審查基準請問NCC目前還採取洪貞玲前委員這樣的審查基準嗎 |
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其實我們做法其實都一致了就是剛才標準一致嘛對 就是做法一致嘛對 12年宪判第8號所以洪正林他所引述的這個NCC的審查基準到目前為止沒有任何改變對不對跟那個宪判509那個四字是速度同規速度同規 沒有關係啦不用問A答B啦我只要確定一件事情啦NCC的審查基準有沒有搖擺有沒有改變 |
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應該是沒有應該是沒有嘛 好那沒有的話 那我問題就要來了三立的政論節目說我接受一個無姓的駭客檢舉他之所以會爆料是因為後來被調查的時候我跟他收100萬這政論節目的人講的李政浩講的溫朗東說黃國昌辦公室竟然跟他收費李政浩說收100萬 |
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可以這樣搞喔處理程序上我們會請業者來答覆你們最好是秉公辦理啦我們都照一樣的程序我跟你講他們會怎麼躲他說這不是我講的啦 |
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我講的我是完全我是完全引述一個NCC管不到的禁週刊禁週刊這樣寫啊我怎麼知道禁週刊亂寫我就念禁週刊啊 沒有 你看他們發話指控我指控我接受檢舉跟人家收100萬我到今天為止我請這些人拿出證據來 |
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每一個人裝沒事彷彿沒有發生過彷彿沒有發生過到底是什麼樣子的媒體環境到底是什麼樣子的媒體環境可以造就民進黨政府黨政沒一家親啊背後都是民進黨的派系啊那怕什麼 |
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幫民進黨攻擊他的政治敵人即使造謠在所不惜啊因為我們的NCCC沒有用嘛各位報告在後續的這個案子如果上到諮詢委員會諮詢會裡頭有法律專家也有傳播專家我們就會來檢視他是否符合112年宪判第八號的是否在合理範圍內進到查證義務 |
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所以呢他的查證義務說我看鏡頭看這樣寫所以我這樣講算是有進到查證義務嗎就要看諮詢會會有初步的討論這麼簡單的問題你都不敢回答喔人家被提名都比你有尬子因為我不是傳播領域的那這邊我不敢造次你不是傳播 現在NCC有傳播領域的嗎沒有對啊 所以你們到時候要怎麼審 |
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所以你們到時候要怎麼審諮詢會議諮詢委員會是外部的委員會有傳播專家或也有法律專家沒有關係啊 這件事情我會持續的問我會持續的問媒體要監督我覺得天經地義結果搞到變成政黨的打手任意造謠抹黑 不用負任何責任作為NCC的代理組委你不是把他推到個案裡面去專家會諮詢就好了你要扪心自問一件事 |
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我國的媒體環境為什麼會墮落到這種程度這才是NCC的職責如果按照你說的樣子每一個都推到個案專家諮詢會議去評鑑再重新複習一下NCC當初為什麼成立NCC組織法這個機關組織的任務是什麼想的都會汗顏謝謝委員 |