| IVOD_ID |
164707 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164707 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-27T10:14:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-27T10:24:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e3c6c6412082f24229b6f66c227ab60fe1e8926e407b158afa8c91b39c2ae80a36b0844119b6f4c45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:10 - 10:24:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案計1案。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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謝主席 本席邀請我們NCC陳代主委陳主委文豪 |
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主委好主委知道這次台南的風災災情慘重其中一個很重要關鍵原因就是因為斷了所有的通訊電信的通訊 網路的通訊全部斷掉了所以造成後續的救災以及很多的連續工作你現在的社會 |
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如果沒有網路甚至連基本的電話都沒有辦法通的話那你看造成的傷害會有多大我看公布的數據以丹奧斯颱風為例在嘉南地區一共發生了1293座基地台失去功能有22座天線鐵塔被強風吹倒 |
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所以後續我們看到的就是災民彼此間的聯繫求救救援還有要進去救災的救援調度效率這完全幾乎癱瘓了所以我們在這次颱風也檢測到我們台灣其實面對重大災害的時候我們基礎建設的脆弱性所以事後在本席提出的那個 |
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特別預算裡面我特別希望政府要來做的就是加強我們通訊的韌性那其中我看NCC最近有規劃所謂的高抗災的基地台這個也是因為這次颱風以後我們特別我看NCC有提出一個因應的計劃就所謂的高抗災基地台那預算是由蘇澳部所編列是吧 |
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出發部它有編列補助的對 沒錯你知道大概預計要補助多少多少個基地台嗎要設置多少個高抗災基地台看它的預算額度其實從過往數位部沒成立以前到現在應該這個之類的基地台應該為數不少特別是在偏鄉地區所以你 十二部今天沒有來你也不知道預計要做多少做的高抗災基地台 |
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要看他預算規模 好 那我再問你以MGG所規劃那你目前的台南地區大概需要改建多少座 |
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如果高抗灾韧性的部分从几个方面来看传输的韧性要有卫星要有微波等等我们开玩笑叫做满汉全席的高抗灾所有的规格最优贵的传输端电力端等等电力端大概要撑72小时刚刚委员现在简报提示到说利用台电利用电信息 |
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電業業者相關的一些場所來處理的話這一塊也算是一個韌性的一環那這一塊我們目前都初步是有四個地方你有提計畫嗎這一塊是我們有你講半天我一聽就知道你沒有規劃沒有我們計畫在我們提那特別預算那個計畫裡頭會提到你計畫拿得出來嗎 |
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那個計畫我們現在拿得出來但是現在還沒有寫廢話讓我也知道趕快啦這個部分我們應該加緊因為氣候異常造成的像這種難以預測的災害不一定發生在什麼地方嘛 |
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那你應該利用這一次的 當然是颱風比如你以台南或嘉南地區做一個標準一個試驗你趕快把那個相關的高抗災的東西給建立起來其實最痛苦就是你出去網路這個部分也是其中之一出去電信的聯繫所以你看就我了解NCC晉級規劃只在嘉南地區蓋了四座 |
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雲林一座 在水嶺在粉嶺的水嶺嘉義在嘉義一座台南的鹿鵝鹿鵝門以及府城這四個地方都是台電的面對手那這個地方要來蓋高抗災的基地台是不是這樣子 |
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是的就是因為我們是跟台電來接洽我們的需求然後台電給我們的一些條件兩邊撮合下來交集下來大概是就幾個地方可以處理那其他跨部會的像內政部的警政署啊或者是那個消防署我們也有跟他們接洽也有相關的一些合作的第一個啦你所謂叫高抗災的定義就72小時不能夠不斷電 |
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對 電力部分72小時不斷電還有它的傳輸部分有些是有微波也有衛星那現在是以衛星為主對 就微波 衛星或者是第二光纜那另外鐵塔的耐風強度可以到15級風對 在我們技術規範修訂之後現在新蓋的所有空地型基地台耐風系數都要能夠抗15級以上 |
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如果抗15級其實大概就算很強了啦因為要發生15級風的機率以過去的歷史來看的話當然是不多啦但要確確真的能夠達到我們所謂的高抗災的這樣的一個要求啦那你因為你有72小時不斷電喔我看你這四個點都在台電的變電所啦那是不是以後的高抗災基地台都只能跟變電所結合 |
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沒有 70小時是自己自備油機 空力型的那70小時快到之前你去補充油 補充柴油一樣繼續發電所以電力部分只要交通路沒有中斷電力的部分其實是相對不是問題 |
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那現在有沒有用油的 用油再補充的有啊 這空地型機台好像屏東有嘛那哪裡有啊 每個縣市應該都會有所以你不一定要跟台電那你現在找這四個地方都跟編電所在一起嗎 |
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對沒錯那你未來的話他只要能夠不斷電72小時所以有的是用發電機那數位部也要數位部有進一步今年度他有那個計畫是補充那個行動電源行動發電機都是車子可以載過去的 |
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那是當地沒有油沒有發電機沒有柴油發電機那個發電機他自己就帶過去可以就地支援這種情況也算是廣義的電力的一些資源補充好那這個預算因為在蘇發部啦可是我看他規劃是由NCC這邊來規劃對所以我沒有跟數位部來那你現在連蘇發部到底編多少錢你都不知道啦那你怎麼規劃他們大概一個高官在基地等下多少錢 |
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應該看它的那個規模我看市化部的補助是大概補助一半補助業者一半大概250到400萬所以如果把它乘以二的話那高抗災的基地台大概就500到800億錢左右有涉及衛星的會比較貴你這個跨部會協調很差你現在只規劃四個那一個高抗災基地台四個是因為台電的部分那你保護的範圍有多大 |
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447.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
473.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
他跟基地台的一般涵蓋一樣嘛差不多一公里七層樓的高度它的發射的半徑大概一公里郊區的話會比較大市區會比較小一點所以你知道你怎麼規劃對不對你也不知道他的預算有多少那你怎麼分階段我看你也不可能一年內就全部弄好嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
473.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
497.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
跟我們報告我們大概是從韌性上這個鐵塔型的抗風係數這個韌性有好幾種第一個起碼這個基站本身韌性要加強的抗風15級的22站那個我們都要求了那從地傳出地下化部分我們也要求電信業者在你一定的量以上在相關的地區盡可能地下化但是地下化也要配合當地政府入權的開挖那你現在應該這個地下化的問題是 |
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500.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
516.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我也要求行政院在主幹線尤其像那個不會淹水的基礎設施比較好像台17岸台19線主要的電能要地下化那其實我今天要講個電信的部分現在台電也表明了不願意再讓電信業者附掛在他的電線之上是不是這樣 |
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518.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
533.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
他們在立法院的相關委員會裡頭他們是有這樣表示是有這樣表示但是既有的情況是他們有執法規則是有跟那如果這樣的話那我們應該要求業者你就要地下化是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
534.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
558.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
地下化也跟我們報告這實務上也需要看區域啦沒有錯但是你至少要去做吧我現在看起來只有中華電信在做就所可以地下化的區域你應該要最起碼你要去做中華電信因為是早期那現在只有台高大以及遠傳的動都不動他們在突圍區其實也有只是比比例上沒有中華電信那麼高比例多少那比例多少你說啊 |
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559.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
588.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
呃 我跟你答不出來 你要去掌握一下 我跟你講啦他們這些電競業者一年賺那麼多錢付一點 該有的公共責任好不好好 我們會持續來要求 對不對你看這次付電最慢最差的也是啊就台科大跟遠傳啊因為他們受損最嚴重啊 為什麼他們都隨便就掛在電線桿上啊台電的電線桿一倒 通訊就全部斷了那你現在 為什麼中華電它的負擔比較快 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
588.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
611.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
中央電視是既有的過往業者他很多地方有自己的機房 自己的機房有發電機因為他也有自己的就是他的管線韌性比較強啦對 你可以這麼講啦 是 沒錯是不是 是我們請NCC應該也要督促相關業者而且政府每年都給他們那麼多的補助請他們負起一點責任好不好好 沒問題好 謝謝主委謝謝主席 |