| IVOD_ID |
164694 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164694 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T12:37:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T12:45:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d3ef1e512ec2fe7a648c2d94e6d34c5cc9226cb2fc3325232786af387943562f755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:37:25 - 12:45:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 陽前發言 邀請部長請顧部長 |
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這幾天傳出了國防部要將分為七年來編列預兆元的軍購特別預算說這個預算大概會高達1.3兆那包括了要向美方購買所謂的防空系統偵測小型無人機火箭跟飛彈還有增加台灣戰時生產與儲存的這個彈藥的能力都有被媒體來提起 |
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那這個部長這可能如果是陳真的話他可能是史上最高的軍購特別預算那過去不管藍綠也來執政都沒有提過這麼高的軍購特別預算所以這個數字我們看是超出了國防部四個特別預算的一個總額 |
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所以本席在這邊準身請教部長這一筆預算假設如果是真的是1.3兆那麼到底現在媒體是說1.3兆那請教部長到底是會再增加還是會減少還是就這個數字到底是不是真的請說明條例的部分在由行政院進行審查我們確定全案的規劃之後我們會適當時機再對外說明那所以這個是真的 |
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現在沒有辦法做這樣的一個確定所以條例是在進行當中條例在從行政院審議中就審議中了 已經審議中了好 那麼媒體更有報導說美方不斷的可能會不斷的要追加項目跟數量 |
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那請問是如此嗎因為你現在已經在行政院審議中那媒體這麼報到底是會增加還是沒有增加還是這個數字是如何呢 |
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我想我們所有的這些預算包括特別預算都是根據我們防衛作戰的需求來進行編列的那我們針對敵情威脅抖聲我們認為要快速提升不對稱戰力跟強化防衛韌性所以我們規劃這個提出特別預算並不是說我們沒有我想我們還是以這個符合我們的防衛作戰需求為前提 |
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那換句話說您針對鋼安本席據報導所說的你們的這個不管是條例或者是預算的依據都是陳如鋼愛部長你所說的防衛作戰的需求去執行之對我們都會有一個我們的防衛計畫然後我們都會有我們的一個 |
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這些防禦需求的一個需要的這些武器裝備也好或者是相關的這些系統也好有所你的依據那你的目標成效呢 |
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目標的成效當然就是我們希望能夠因應這個中國不但對我們的這個加大對我們的台灣的這個武力威脅的這個力度我們能夠在最短時間內完成一個完備的作戰準備完備作戰準備那所以這一筆預算如果照媒體報呢是這個史上最高的預算所以本席也要請教規模很大 |
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213.84 |
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228.7 |
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那必要性無法接受完整的一個監督交付延遲的這個問題看不到他解決的方案所以讓人會憂心是不是會任由美方的欲求 |
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231.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
244.23 |
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我想我們台美雙方對於防衛作戰的需求我們都會不斷的來進行研討那特別預算的部分也不是只有對美的軍購我們也會有委制我們國內的委制來 |
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247.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
261.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
這個創造我們這個一定的經濟效應然後我們也會有商購所以我想這個部分我們會用多元的管道來籌獲我們防衛專案的一個多元的管道來籌建籌劃跟規劃跟執行但是據報導說美國前總統這個彭斯先生他說了 |
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271.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
275.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
美國至今仍有200億美元對台的軍售是延遲的是嗎 |
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279.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
302.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我想數字已經往下縮減了那現在最主要跟委員報告當然就是剛剛有些已經有委員槌尋的就是有關F16B那還有一些比如像AGM154因為這是在2019年的時候所編列的特別預算2472億元所以請教現在交的進度如何 |
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304.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
315.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
現在我們希望明年就能夠得到交金所以到目前為止有沒有交一家過來目前為止有沒有交我想相關的組裝都 |
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| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
323.941 |
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好不好 委員 目前都還沒有交過來那為什麼還沒交呢 研製啊所以剛才粉絲特別問部長 您說是那原因是什麼呢因為我們給錢了 但是交不出來那我們的機制呢 應對機制是什麼樣呢在113年之後 他沒有交機的部分我們也都延遲付款這個部分我們有保障我們的權益 跟委員報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
360.569 |
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來 部長 延遲戶款 這不是我們的目的我們要的 既然我們有軍購我們希望 我們也都願意支持國防但是你交不出來啊那你這個不是只有這個交不出來的問題啊因為你接下來 你研製了之後呢你還有什麼 防衛佈局 訓練期程戰力策略 你都會 |
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361.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
385.096 |
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都會延後啊 都會影響啊 部長會不會我想現在美方正在全力趕工當中我們明年應該是可以獲得交集只是說要全數交應完畢可能有相當部長你這麼回答 明年會交集價我想這個還是要透過跟美方這個確認部長你還是沒有答案給本席因為我們這個是已經約定的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
416.399 |
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那我們應對只有把錢延後交可是這不是國人希望的啊就像剛剛部長您所說的我們是要戰略戰區安全為主那怎麼辦而且會延後到後面剛剛本席所說的這幾項那我方怎麼應對呢因為我們據聞又要編了一個七年1.3兆那如果還是這樣的應對那我們的戰略安全到底在哪裡請部長說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
430.257 |
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我想我們雙方會有一個定期的管制會議來確認這個交機的這個期程那我們一定會希望美方能夠全力敢攻來加速這個交運 |
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432.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
461.141 |
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部長 我想國家的安全支持國防這是 這個是不變的原則 本期所以我非常的希望也就是說我們既然我們支持國防你們也決定要怎麼做但是當沒有辦法交的時候難免社會大眾會認為我們是不是只有當冤大頭我們是不是只有當美國這個軍火商的一個提款機我想這都不是我們國人希望的 |
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461.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
484.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以部長您剛才回答本席說你會再跟美方來去討論光光在2019年的這些要怎麼樣能夠交集回來那我們當然到目前為止沒辦法聽到你比較正確的一個時程但是我們還是希望我們不要當冤大頭國家的安全是非常的重要的謝謝委員指教 |