| IVOD_ID |
164677 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164677 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T11:28:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T11:38:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d3d586d8feef1acf8ccbd78a287304ef9f378985d1c29b3fea632dec9194285a125ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:01 - 11:38:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 那是不是有請部長我們再請陳部長部長今天大家真的為了這個非洲豬瘟台中無期廠這件事情 人心惶惶 |
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那我想再跟部長確認因為早上很多委員在質詢的時候有講到說那現在禁運禁宅以及這個廚餘的一個管制的一個期間那我們這樣大概會用幾天的時間我跟委員報告就是我們現在所實施的比較積極的兩個做法一個是全國性的禁運禁宅及禁止廚餘養豬那這個考量都是為了做比較完整的疫調 |
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讓這個傳播鏈不會因為其他的因素而擴散所以我們根據我們的這些潛伏期的規定是15天所以我們就是定15天但是在15天之內我們會用5天為一個週期來做觀察包括我們台東市的這些關聯性的養豬場我們希望5天之內就能夠有一些初步的結果 |
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那我們在不同的五天的觀察期如果說他的情況是可被控制的那相對的我們可能對於其他縣市某個程度我們會開始逐步的去開放這個部分或者全部的開放所以原則是15天但是以五天為周期去看接下來疫調的一個狀況對 是這樣子那所以現在已經進行全面性的疫調了嗎 |
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對 現在已經分兩個層次一個層次是針對台東市的疫調觀念場的疫調是最嚴謹的然後另外一個是台東市以外的這些養豬場那本身我們也是透過中央應變中心各縣市的這些防疫的人員都會到豬場去不管是透過電話訪視或是現場訪視去了解豬隻的健康狀況那相對的這個部分我想我們會 |
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定期的去讓這些階段性的工作成果這個對外的一個說明那部長我想要問一下啦因為現在大家國人還是對於這一次的這個台中這個無期這個案場這個養豬場 |
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整個時序上大家還是充滿著疑惑從10月10號這個這頂開始有出現死亡然後他們當時他們是把他懷疑是感染的是叫做什麼兇魔肺炎他們把他認定是兇魔肺炎所以在10月10號的時候並沒有去做全面的一個採樣跟監控是這樣的嗎 |
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根據我們從那個台東市的那個動保處的人員他所陳述的的確是這樣的方式 |
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所以10月10號 照理10月10號出現死亡的時候應該應該照例有做採樣 我就比較早知道 不過看起來是沒有因為他們可能就是說 認定可能是別種的 別種的病那我想要問10月10號到後來10月21號我們採到檢體這段期間 這張它有出痕嗎?它痘有出痕嗎? |
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應該有出 應該有出資13號他有出租28隻到大安的肉品市場大安肉品市場對 台中市的大安肉品市場喔喔 台中的大安肉品市場13號還有出28隻對 不過這28隻進到肉品市場以外他一定會照我們的 |
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那個程序 圖前會去觀察動物的樣態圖後會做 獸醫師會解剖以後有沒有去看他的一個內臟的部分是不是有病徵 都安全了我們都也會反覆啊1月13號根本在全福祉啊因為後來你們去檢測你們在21號檢測的時候就是你們的每一個檢體定義每一個檢體都有陽性嘛 非洲豬瘟陽性嘛 對不對21號齁 |
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21號後你們開始採樣後21號的時候我們採樣完了是兩頭豬八個檢體是陽性然後我們當天開應變會議以後馬上再去現場採三頭豬15個樣品所以這個五頭豬 |
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都有驗到陽性23個樣品全部都是陽性這樣比例來講是百分百喔都是發病然後其他的全部都撲殺全部都撲殺還是要跟委員說明齁因為即使他有出租到大安肉品市場他的圖前跟圖後的檢查都是 |
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就是沒有症狀的部分然後更重要的是這些豬肉它本身它就算有這些非洲豬瘟它不會人吃的是沒有問題的而且這個病毒不會人傳人柏定你是這樣說的不對啦我感覺以這個時序來說10月10號已經發現死亡縱使他們懷疑是別種的病然後他們在用藥以10月13日出20倍 |
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出了28隻豬到後端市場這個時候是不是潛伏期 不知道 已經很可怕了那10月14號台中市凍飽處前往訪視然後也沒有採樣10月14號發現異常的死亡到底13號跟14號就短短的一天內發生什麼事情13號還有辦法28隻豬出到市場14號去就說異常死亡 |
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那有沒有可能異常死亡是在提早就發生了11號就發生了 12號就發生了我們在整個的處理過程中我們調了那個畫質的資料大概他總共有五天的有異常的死亡的一個現象那五天都有就對了對 透過畫質廠的監控的部分但是在現場上面來講因為他有特約收益師所以我們這個部分還要做詳細的疫調 |
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我感覺這個也是要做一個疫調的一個重點因為這28隻豬它跑到市場如果你們以後端來看我們在21號我們農業部開始採樣檢查後總共驗了5隻豬然後你說用了差不多超過15個採樣15個採樣全部是陽性 |
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那推論起來就是他整場感染嘛那如果整場感染的話13號處理那些地下有危險嗎這我們不知道這可能變成一個破口部長要正視這個狀況對我們就是因為因為現在的時序大概都是由台中市動保處的人員做一個說明的部分但是說明只是只是動保處人員說明我們還要去問事主 |
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那市主是不是其實已經知道而隱匿不報那是更嚴重的事情說實在我就是要說隱匿不報啦所以這個部分我們要透過疫調我就是要感覺這樣因為10號他就開始有懷疑啊14號東寶柱去也還沒採樣不知道這中他就出事了 |
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我覺得這樣要查清楚對 這個才是我們疫調的一個重點我們一定是完成疫調以後會如實的對外公開那他出到了市場之後市場後端的一個狀況這個也應該要掌握 |
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好 這個我們來瞭解因為現在28隻你說到了台中後端的市場嘛對 我想 委員意思是說到了大安市場的後端的一個流處我想我們也可以來追蹤這顆零碼要追蹤因為這個事情非同小可可以說朱文他會整個把我們這幾年我們努力的這個全部打破掉 |
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那最後我再問一下啦現在說台中是沒辦法配合火化這一些應該要火化的豬那這問題是怎樣我想我們昨天就遇到兩個問題就是有化智場的縣市他就不允許部分的縣市不允許其他縣市進到化智場那這樣的話會造成就是說一般的一般正常的病死豬 |
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沒有 沒有進到化資廠就亂丟啦然後第二個部分就是台東市的部分因為掩埋有掩埋的規範但是掩埋也不是最好的方式所以我們昨天協調台東市政府所以保證你是注定要要火化啦要火化 所以我們要火化 你就介入嘛對 我們協調了那個什麼協調了台東市環保局跟農業處這邊就是進到火化 |
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我們會來協助我們中央我們來協助 |
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這就是火化啦 不要讓人家說要掩埋啦現在大家聽到掩埋 新來的都開始在那裡糾纏說這掩埋的會怎樣 要怎麼處理所以我們會來處理 我們就大家一起做沒關係啦我們會來協助 就是那裡就地就完成把它全部燒掉就像你主張的這樣好不好 這件事一定要貫徹好不好 部長 這件事 |
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每一個時間都是黃金時刻 我覺得一定要該做的動作都要把它做到到位因為剛才講的這些東西 我們在中央應變中心都有正式的決議那因為依照相關的規定 中央應變中心的一個決議地方政府是應該要配合的啦 當然啦所以我們會來做溝通的 他們要配合 你們有時該強制就強制啦 了解好 OK 好 |