| IVOD_ID |
164670 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164670 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T11:03:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T11:13:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d328135841ef16c002cbd78a287304ef9f378985d1c29b3fea43b8e70d39bd81cd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:37 - 11:13:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝謝謝主席 請陳部長我們再請陳部長我也好 |
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部長 本期上個禮拜才誇獎說我們農業部對非洲豬瘟的努力防疫做得很好獲得世界動物組織認證成為我們亞洲的首個三大豬瘟的非疫區可以重返國際市場一個禮拜而已就破功了心情怎麼樣 |
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很難過很難過好難過檢討追蹤改善立即保護我們豬農產業的未來這才是重點所以本席要請教部長的就是在去年的時候我們有特別提到那個廚餘的問題當然首要的首當其衝的還是境外因為台灣 |
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並沒有非洲豬瘟對不對所以今天會發生了但是還沒確定喔你們還要做一個病毒的分析嘛對不對最重要就從境外進來境外進來的話就有防檢署為什麼沒有防檢成功讓這個非洲豬瘟進來這是先決的對不對 |
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對 杜絕於境外 杜絕於境外是第一杜絕於境外是第一 那台灣沒有非洲之溫那這個就是從境外進來的 是不是 是先確定這個問題 所以 |
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我們才會訂定了很多強加強保護這個非洲豬瘟的傳染這個問題加強了7年所以我們每次從國外回來的時候就會拿個一張綠色的卡片有沒有在疫區回來的地方這個我們都做了努力的但是今天發生了發生了趕快就要解決所以在這一家 |
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台中這一家他的廚餘的問題你們有沒有去開始也在這個疫調當中有去篩檢有去檢疫我想整個疫調裡面包括他的生產環境包括他的廚因為他是自己煮的廚餘經過合格認證的自己煮但是我們也會去調閱所以他在98家當中 |
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許可的我們只有98家 435場435場裡面的98家有許可證的其中之一嗎 |
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是不是應該每個435場應該每個都是許可的每個都許可可是我們可以許可處理這個廚餘的這部分的對這是環境部要符合環境部的那個檢核再利用的部分那有一些有一些中央珍珠廠他是中央珍珠然後提供給人家所以你們也有定期去抽檢啦對他是每天在珍珠啦那你每天都 |
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對 衛務部這邊特別是在珍珠的那個溫度有沒有溫度計都有監控器具去做monitoring以後去處理好 部長我們在2021年10月就開始針對這四養豬只有在200頭以上的中大型的養豬場才可以用高溫珍珠90度以上才可以用這個廚餘對不對是那其他的199頭以下就沒有了是那但是 |
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我們在這個廚餘的處理的過程他們載送是屬於自己去載送還是由清潔隊送過去它這個有不同的模式啦那基本上我們不管它的來源是什麼它只要經過90度一個小時的蒸煮的話它的飼料它的那個廚餘就是安全的就可以餵豬啦這個是一個非常重要的好 那清潔隊載運的這個廚餘是怎麼處理 |
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這個可能要問環境部會比較清楚那可能各縣市的處理方法也有不一樣的我們桃園的部分的話就會全部送去掩埋堆肥的處理不會送給養豬戶那請問你們的疫調出來這一家的廚藝是怎麼來的 |
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我想我們在疫調裡面也會針對他的廚藝的來源包括這些人員的這一家 你就回答我這一家廚藝怎麼來的我現在還在疫調中我現在沒辦法給你這個答案好 本席就問你請去疫調這家的廚藝是他自己去再回來的還是清潔隊送去的我想我們在疫調的時候所以未來部長 |
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我們每個縣市都有廚餘的問題都有我們回收廚餘的所以有個各縣市處理方法你都要去追蹤這也是一個破口的問題所以你要去追蹤好不好了解 我想我們針對您剛才的議題我們每天在中央前進應變所這邊如果有得到答案的話我們當天的記者會對外的說明就會說明是 |
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所以對每個縣市的廚餘你要去追蹤這些廚餘都是到豬場還是是到掩埋場去堆肥做堆肥處理這個你都要了解我想我們會透過要追蹤去了解透過行政部這邊來了解所以你現在目前都沒辦法確定它是非洲豬瘟還是有病毒的分析我想所以盡快你大概什麼時候會公佈應該是非洲豬瘟確認但是因為在 |
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根據WHOA的規範一定要做病毒的分類不過以現在的證據的掌握應該就是非洲豬瘟但是因為通報的關係我們現在還要分析還要做明確確定啦好不好應該明確確定下來 |
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那現在本席想請教的就是我們現在既然發生了第一個要看房檢部分如何境外的會跑進來這個一定要再做一個防堵防堵措施再來的話就出於我想請問部長 |
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廚餘為什麼當時我們討論的時候你沒有全面禁用你有什麼考量是什麼問題不過我想當年其實因為不同的時代可能有不同的當初有非常多的小廠然後有非常多的這些廚餘小廠199頭都是飼料所以我們那時候的一個非常重要的策略不是說沒有禁止然後就不管它我們在沒有禁止之下但是我們強化我們的廚餘本身的徵阻的監管 |
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然後小廠的因為他沒有能力做自己的徵組所以我們把200頭以下的是不准用用用廚餘飼養一定要200頭以上的部分所以這個部分就是一個比較強而有力的監管讓廚餘變成一個安全的飼料而不是像外界說的就是沒有這樣子的一個政策就不管他我們還是有做強力的監管所以你還是有在討論是 |
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你说时代不一样经过七年强力的加强现在七年也没有什么时代不一样了可是已经发生了那你现在全面禁用厨余是暂时性还是永久性我们现在是因为为了做疫调我们针对禁止厨余喂养是做这个怕疫情的扩散的一个断点 |
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然後包括豬隻禁運也是一個斷點都是這兩個作為都是為了做疫調然後疫調告一段落以後我們就會來做後續的處理特別是這個潛伏期的15天是一定不能移動的然後不能餵養廚餘但是這個部分我們以5天為觀察的週期所以現在是暫時性的對 |
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那疫调结束完毕之后的话你会盘整整个状况我们会盘整整个后续的还可不可以用厨余对我们一定是先去做厨余的加强监管然后就算要不要做厨余喂养我们也一定有足够的缓冲剂绝对不会说 |
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今天說了明天就停止那這次是因為疫情的關係部長廚餘的部分跟環保局比較有關但是關聯的又是我們養豬戶的所以你在橫向跟環保局這邊要做好一個溝通廚餘的所有的源頭來源的輸送到哪裡供應到哪裡處理的最終辦法這些你們要互相的來做個溝通來處理好不好 |
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你們都息息相關 最重要是跟我們的產業溝通像桃園 您桃園那邊也是一個非常重要的我們桃園沒有化製廠全台灣有九個化製廠桃園本身用廚藝的也不少排名在第三我知道 所以我跟部長提醒說桃園沒有化製廠沒有化製廠 你知道我們怎麼處理嗎 |
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554.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
去跟那個養豬協會請他們用車輛 人力再去雲林處理我們每年要花多少錢你知道嗎我們全台灣有九個化智場對我知道桃園沒有啊所以不同的地方可以互相支援這個也是部長你未來要檢討的一個最重要的因素好不好 |
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555.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
573.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們會加強單一場內用生物處理機來處理這樣的話就是也減少了運動所以部長 本市在這邊要求的就是立即要查明感染的源頭全面檢討邊境的檢疫跟廚餘的養豬戶的這個制度針對於受損的養豬戶我們要啟動專案補償的機制守住我們台灣的養豬產業好不好好 我們朝這個目標來努力 謝謝 |