| IVOD_ID |
164669 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164669 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T10:53:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T11:03:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d3a7097c588f2cf801cbd78a287304ef9f378985d1c29b3fea0f7628e6d07117175ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:12 - 11:03:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請做宣達謝謝主席 又請陳部長 |
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好 我們再請陳部長 謝謝我們到謝玉鳳委員這個詢問結束 我們休息三分鐘謝謝部長 非洲豬瘟防疫勢同作戰是絕對不能匆匆忙忙一定要戒慎恐懼 如臨大敵 |
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不管是房间署或者是公务署因为这个影响到整个产业链影响到甚至国内生产毛耳都会受到很大的影响国际新鱼也受到影响那东亚国家里面是日本跟台湾之前是唯一二的非诸恩非诸恩这个疫区那日本的做法你们知道日本的做法是怎么样 |
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你說哪一方面日本有沒有出於養豬日本我所了解應該是沒有出於養豬的方式日本有沒有出於養豬有沒有為什麼日本有還是有比例是多少呢比例是多少 |
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日本目前它是把那個廚餘做成飼料將廚餘飼料中跟我們廚餘養豬不一樣嘛我們廚餘加熱之後消毒之後就可以去養豬嘛它不是它把廚餘製作成飼料嘛所以就沒有透過廚餘去病毒傳染的問題嘛對不對所以日本的做法你可以去學習了解廚餘你還可以再利用變成飼料嘛 |
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那我們這一次沒有用廚餘直接廚餘加熱之後但難免還是有病毒會產生嘛是所以我們為了用廚餘去養殖佔了百分之八左右對不對我們全國有大概有五千多場五千五百五十二場然後四百三十五場四百三十五場是那其中的幾個縣市不是每個縣市都有的新北 台北 台中 台北 桃園也有台中也有 屏東屏東也有 對所以其中的幾個縣市那我們當然要考慮到日本可以做到這一點 |
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我們應該跟日本人學習而且他們不需要像我們比較繁瑣的邊境檢查是 對不對我們只要出國回來我們要經過這個廣際再一次的這個鎖定心理你都要安檢 對不對 |
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所以這個部分不確定是從國外帶回來的所謂你心裡帶的農作品不能確定對但是我們還是要做為什麼要做呢因為我們還是用廚餘去養豬嘛是所以是不是考慮到未來的方向我建議是不是可以思考一下你要制定一個落日條款歸年一來我們廚餘養豬要慢慢退場怎麼樣去輔導把這個廚餘轉換成飼料你不做也夠那轉對做也夠啊 |
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那麼你有做不到嗎而且我們又可以節省很多這個安檢的人力跟預算嘛 |
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了解 我想我認同委員的說法就是說我們的廚藝養豬一定要做一些轉型那從過去108年到現在他已經降到435 本來1000多場所以這個轉型我們希望力道更加強然後第二個部分就像您說的這些廚藝我們更強化去把它做再利用變成飼料化以後那這樣的話那個風險就更低了現在可以立即啟動嗎我覺得馬上可以立即確認 |
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如果這個技術有這個技術能夠用專利的授權的方式我都願意用授權的方式直接導入日本已經行之有年了對不對所以他們為什麼能夠確保現在不是變成東亞唯一的非洲瘟疫區我想我們會後我會去成立一個團隊就是針對日本的這個技術是不是可以直接導入到國內因為處理的樣態可能不一樣這個我想我們請專家團隊你現在做的就是治標跟這個損害管控是 |
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你要治本一定要用到廚餘變成飼料化就沒有所謂傳染的問題我想我們立即去啟動這樣的一個研究那你要制定一個中短中長期的情況你要有一個落日條款你要讓所有目前正在廚餘養豬的435場知道說政府的政策什麼時候要退場不能再用廚餘養豬因為廚餘要轉化成 |
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這個飼料我了解我想我們在後續的滾動檢查一定會訂出一個比較明確的逐步的這樣子有沒有機會轉型時間表要出來時間表我想我們會時間表要出來就是你要三年之內這個廚藝養豬要退場我們了解你要讓這個葉子可以有時間去緩衝去因應我知道 對 |
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另外這個整體的防疫策略當然需要地方政府跟中央政府來合作那你整個疫情的採檢這個通報這個當然有一些市民政府的這個相關的能力不一定完全相同那你目前對地方查驗回報的這些相關的指引相關的制度有沒有考慮到從這次事件來看有沒有檢討的必要我想每一個制度裡面我們特別是從這次疫調裡面可能有一些 |
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需要精進的地方就包括10月10號他們看到一些非典型的症狀但是如果說類似非受溫的非典型症狀也許我們在第一時間就可以採檢所以你要地方才現在有沒有一致性的指引對有沒有一致性的指引我們有我們有相關的指引 |
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每一個地方 地方政府一定要按照你的指引來執行喔對有嗎我們現在是針對喔從花市場的監測地方跟中央同時監測花市場如果異常的時候他就要去關心這個訓務場不是 我問你有沒有這個指引的東西我請教你有沒有這個指引有這個指引有這個指引縣市政府如果沒有按照指引就是縣市政府的責任嘛你確定有這個指引嗎有 |
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你們同仁不要隨便回答一定要確定有這個指引各縣市政府一定要按照這個指引來執行相關的防疫業務報告委員就是我們有對於非洲豬瘟的一些它的疾病的一個特徵有一些注意事項但是沒有那個 |
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注意事項這是一個善意的提議我覺得指引有一定的要求有一定的強制性所以我建議農業部必須要去建立進出建立地方查驗回報一致性的指引這有一定的強制性那你最注意事項有時候是一些建議 |
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好 我想我跟委員回應就是說我們現在一些注意事項是針對病症的部分然後相關的就是說如果遇到這個病症他的臨床症狀如果有類似的東西我們會變成一個很明確的指引讓這些地方政府的受益師我們迅速把這指引建立起來好 是差不多一個月之內把指引通報各縣政府他按照你的指引有相關的規範SOP去執行相關的這個包括抽葉送檢採樣送檢等等通報 |
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了解 我想我們會同步啦不會等到疫調結束才會來做我們現在同步就來處理這個議題另外最後一個議題要請教就是 |
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防疫安全網很重要要保險的概念保險的概念所以你現在就你用這個事後的這個撲殺補償這個救助我覺得這次都是對豬農這個沒有辦法去彌補他們損失如果一旦疫情發生的話有沒有可能建立從防疫安全網的這個計畫裡面用保險的制度來導入這個用日本用歐盟的方式來做這個部長您的看法呢 |
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我們現在注視死亡保險可是很可惜的就是沒有包含疫病的部分那我覺得我們該注意的還是應該疫病所以這個部分我想我們會從不同面向來增加這個用這種保險的概念去降低農民的一個風險這盡快建立起來好不好這個防疫安全網把保險導入我們會來處理對疫情的掌控或者事後的這個相關的補償最後半分鐘我想請教一下公務署署長 |
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这个从中国来的食品里面这个中国来的食品里面有些用快递虽然你的这个报告里面就是这些平台你们对平台的管理现在目前做到怎么样比如说从这个平台里面去购买中国的这些包括这个食物或者有可能对疫情造成影响这些他们可不可以进来那你们怎么去查处 |
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跟委員報告就這個平台的管理目前我了解應該是那個產發署那邊在處理產發署我來說明一下是速發部是速發部就是電商平台是速發部來處理的你看中國這個網路平台大量販售從寄到台灣這個食品還有一個敏感專線包清關雙清包稅 |
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這個變成一個變相走私啊那也變成一個防疫的一個破口這部分應該跨部來協調包括農業部包括這個官務署包括這個你說的產化署也好或者是抒發部也好聽說這個都買得到耶您了解嗎 那個署長我了解買得到嗎 |
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可以透過這個平台買得到嗎這個抒發部那邊會我查過買得到買得到那就變成一個防疫的破口嘛因為你沒有辦法對他檢查還是你可以全面對他這個從中國來的郵包這些都可以檢查郭委員報告我承諾我在下禮拜還會再開中央應變中心會議我就會把這個議題納進去特別是我們邊境的除了人的首席行李關務組這邊負責 |
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那事實上交通部對於郵包的部分他會負責然後同樣做平台也會經過郵遞嘛那他有不同的部位在合作我想我會更精進的把這個合作的機制跟他檢查的那個節點我們會把它建立的變成一個就是戒慎恐懼要如臨大地了解要全力以赴謝謝好 謝謝好 |