| IVOD_ID |
164664 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164664 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T10:39:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T10:51:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d370d57c86ce07713548629de9594d8cbe61e6bfef52f5c093b3e2e9b7fa15091f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:25 - 10:51:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席這個我們請楊總裁好 請楊總裁 |
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總裁好 看到您的報告就是說新台幣決定要來改版了現在已經有發行了24年的時間現在說也先要改版那請問一下要改版的是指100 500 1000嗎還是只有指500我們都會改都會改預計啦 現在是預計說5張都要改 |
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我們看一下就是說現在台幣現在是有100有200有500有1000有2000所以這五種都要改嗎預計啦因為我們現在要成立一個諮詢委員這個會討論最後的決定是怎麼樣到目前為止不過我們預計是這五張都要改版 |
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我自己在流通上面大概是100、500、1000比較常用200跟2000現在流通量怎麼樣對 流通量200是比較少2000塊還好 |
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兩千塊還好對 兩千塊還好兩千塊之所以還好是因為我們個人用兩千塊的不多但是機構 公司 行號他在用兩千塊的會比較多所以一般我們在ATM我們會用到兩千塊的比較少所以兩百還會繼續再發行嗎 |
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所以我們也會考量所以諮詢委員我們只是說我現在就是說預計改版就是說這五張都要改版但是我們成立了諮詢委員會到最後也是由他來給我們的一些的建議我們改版也要看未來的流通性是 目前大家來看的話剛剛也有委員做這樣的一個建議所以這個都是為流功我們做參考 |
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對啊 因為200的確是流通量比較少看到所以說這五種的圖案都會做更改就對了 |
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如果说改版的话基本上图案都是会改的不过现在我都还在讲因为你们有一个委员会由他来决定来给我们做最后的一个建议所以理论上你看我们500是93年的然后1000块也是93年然后2000块是90年其实都没有特定的政治人物 |
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其實我也希望說未來新台幣改版這一個不要有特定的政治人物在上面這個我們會類為參考我們就彰顯台灣的精神彰顯台灣的價值的方式有很多所以我是希望說既然有這個計畫要改版的話 |
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然后这个目前的这个100 200 500 1000 2000这五种都要改版那我是建议说不要有这个政治人物的图案在上面那再请教一下那目前的这个因为那个总裁有提到说是要防伪嘛那目前我们的伪操的数量多吗不多 |
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不多所以表示我們的防偽性還是算是好的算是好的那有沒有一個數據啊有啊我們2014年我們有但是每年都不高都不會超過以前是0.2總裁你的數據是哪一年的2024年這個是0.05百萬0.05百萬 |
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每百萬張就只有0.05張每百萬張有0.05張每百萬張有0.05張是什麼意思0.05 |
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很低 我們很低以前是高 現在是越來越低你們有分嗎比如說是1000的 500的 100的有這樣分嗎因為你這樣應該是概括的這是概括的有沒有分嗎比如說1000的比較多還是500的多還是100的比較多每張有的嗎 沒有有嗎 有這樣區分嗎 |
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沒有 我們這個是overall的這其實應該要做這樣的區分才對啊你才知道說是哪一種有可能被偽造那他可能1000的機會會比較高啦因為他的面值比較大啦 我在猜啦但是你們沒有做這方面的統計你們就是只有全部的這是去年的 |
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對 這個是去年的那這幾年下來的數據都差不多嗎都差不多2022、2023、2024都差不多都大概是百分之0.5張嗎對 就每百萬張就只有0.06張 |
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0.05 0.05 0.06 0.05 0.06張大概是好 那請問一下那現在改版的這一個這每一張啦因為我看你們的資料目前的流通的票券平均單價是3.5塊是不是對 沒有錯那所以說那你說那現在未來要做的話是高出1.5那所以說等於是平均每一張是5塊錢對5塊錢如果加起來是5塊錢那所以那因為剛剛很多委員有關心到說 |
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大概如果要改版的話需要多少的預算我剛聽這個總裁意思是說看我們的發行量對 我們會看我們的發行量而且我們大概也會在116年或是117年會編117年以後我們會編列預算那時候編列預算就會比較明確大概一個譬如說你現在市面上流通的這個新台幣的大概張數有多少 |
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50億張50億張 對那你不用每一次就全部換掉嘛對不對對啦 當然啦 不用啦逐年泰萬嘛是 逐年泰萬對啊 那所以說那大概你們第一年你們第一年病人預算大概需要多少這個目前還沒有做這樣的一個評估或是說你們希望泰萬的話一年希望泰萬要多少啊我們7億到10億 |
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要大概是7億到10億7億到10億就是每一年貸換的話那數字也很好算出來7億到10億如果10億就50億因為這樣5塊錢的話平均來講所以就是大概平均編到大概50億左右 |
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是這樣子算嗎沒有錯因為從你們每一年台灣的數量然後每一張平均的單價來看的話那大概是這個數據那剛才因為你們會社會委員會我們只是提到說我們的一些看法希望說 |
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彰顯台灣精神不要有政治人物哪一黨都一樣現在過去也都一樣請教一下總裁我們現在有可能最快11月初要普發現金1萬塊我看你們報告裡面寫說你們有數位金流平台這是要負責發放現金1萬塊的單位嗎 |
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它有好幾個方式對 因為它有五種方式但是如果說對數位的 發放數位的就是由我們的平台來提供來 董事長來講一下就是說普發現金以外快跟你們相關性的平台的作用在哪裡 |
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是跟委員報告照目前行政院的規劃第一個在網站上面的登記也是在這個平台的功能裡面第二個在身份的核驗也是在這個平台的功能裡面那當然剛剛委員提到的真正在發放現金這五種這個通路的這個總控管也是在這個平台裡面最後譬如說這個路障或是提線都是在這個平台裡面控管所以我們那個登記路障ATM領線 |
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郵局領線 這個都跟你們有關係嗎都有都有關係 對都是在你們這一個數位公共建設金流平台是這是第一次使用嗎這是之前六千的時候有用但是那個只是比較雛形的然後我們整個在央行的指導下把它整成一個數位公共的建設的金流平台以這個名字來看是第一次使用第一次使用 |
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那你有沒有測試過啊 有有有因為現在 剛開始的時候大家已經大概擠在前兩天要去領這一萬塊 是那所以你看嘛就是說如果這個包含登記啦登記應該是在網路上面登記嘛 是然後ATM郵局這個應該都是跟你們有相關的是 都有 對不對那有沒有做過這個壓力測試啊 有不要說你第一天就大家去領結果說整個平台都塞車耶 |
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有有有 這個跟委員報告第一個在做這個事情它前面有分流的機制第二個這個壓力測試我們都有完全的做完不是 你們壓力測試怎麼測試比如說上線多少人 |
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我們壓力測試就是說我們模擬有在台灣發的交易有在國外發的交易 因為登記這些的量我們用雲端的設備來做大量的登記對 我的意思是說有沒有去說譬如說一秒多少人進去就像有時候在買票一樣就會當機那你們有做過這個測試嗎說一秒大概多少人進去然後就有可能會當機 |
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有 我們做的是這個平台每一秒它可以有2000人以上然後持續一個小時譬如說我每一秒都2000人都這樣子進來擠了一個小時我們都沒有問題都沒問題 如果到3000人 |
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3000人目前來看我們的系統的設計是橫向的就是說我們也準備了一些備援的這個機器如果真的量很大的時候我們機器就加進去董事長不要最後有塞車塞車最後變成這個發現已經是好事結果發現說這個塞車大家又在抱怨 |
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650.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
是的跟委員報告是說有沒有信心通過這個考驗我們是有信心就是說如果說他真的很大量因為他整個前面會有分流的機制也會有管制的機制那這樣子可以讓他順順的把它做完這樣我時間到了嗎 |
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我問最後一題好了問一下總裁好了因為我看到我們CPI其實在食物類都偏高因為現在這兩天都發生台中非洲豬類的事情對我們CPI會不會有影響 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這個我們昨天也有討論到這個一開始的時候大家都認為可能會豬肉因為豬肉的價格本來最近都比較高就是說可能會但是豬瘟疫發生的時候可能需求量也會下來剛開始一定會搶對 剛開始是supply不足但是現在有可能就是說因為是這樣子的話需求量會減少 |
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714.437 |
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如果說供給不增加然後需求量減少的話那大概價格就不會上漲了我是做這樣的一個基本上所以我的意思就是所以總裁認為豬肉價格是先漲後跌嗎還是怎麼樣所以我昨天我沒有討論到這個問題昨天討論的情況 |
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738.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
但是我們的意思就是說那對CPI會不會影響我們同事說應該是不會後來我也是這麼想如果說你的需求沒有的話那價格大概漲不上去只是供給量沒有而已要看影響的時間 |
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740.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
對啦 這個我們會持續來關注現在也沒辦法來做那你說短時間對CPI沒有影響就對了對 我們應該就說今年應該是不會這樣子 好 謝謝好 謝謝 |