| IVOD_ID |
164663 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164663 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T10:32:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T10:41:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d32c2e86df33b9435ccbd78a287304ef9f61e6bfef52f5c093ec4005c00d4bcaf05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:19 - 10:41:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請博定我們請部長文豪博定先替記者朋友問你一個他們剛剛一直追著要問你的最近這幾年夾帶疫區的那個豬肉進來的大概有好幾百件嘛對不對現在這部分的那個邊境管制會加強嗎我想 |
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那個邊境的管制我們只有越來越精進越來越強度越來越強沒有從108年開始一直到現在7年間我們的座位沒有降低成績而且我們的精進的座位也越來越高所以我們在相關的這些裁罰的部分 |
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也有一定的數量但是整體來看從國外進來的違法的部分有越來越少的趨勢表示說我們的宣導特別是國人從國外帶進來的這些豬肉也越來越少的趨勢現在就是因為非洲出現這個奇態嘛是會不會因為這樣子更加嚴有沒有做什麼緊急的措施 |
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對 我想我們整個的邊境的一個管制第一個就是旅客帶過來的這些手提行李 後送行李對 然後我們這個手提行李是百分之百然後我們特別針對高風險區像有一些有39國已經發生非洲豬瘟的國家我們就強制的百分之百那相對的我們做國際的郵包還有後面的走私的部分所以我們這是跨部會的一個聯防的部分是防堵我們的邊境作為 |
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加嚴防堵對一定我們一定會加嚴我們來談這個這次這個非洲豬瘟這個事情一方面是因為症狀非典嘛對不對而且沒有資訊很有限所以才這個判定才會失準那專家寫者現在提的就是說就是事前提早知道這個非常重要所以他們提醒了一個點來我們看一下就是我們台灣曾經研發非洲豬瘟的快篩 |
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這是全世界唯二亞洲第一而且獲得國際上世界動物衛生組織OIE參考實驗室的這個認證保定 它有幾個優點它有幾個優點 現在先生就在提醒你就要提早知道它有狀況嘛 對不對它的潛伏期就可以驗了活豬的時候 |
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活豬的時候潛伏期就可以驗了然後第二個他10分鐘就會知道就驗得出來了跟我們當初那個COVID-19那個整個那個測試非常非常的快第三個你就降低這個非洲豬瘟的傳染風險其實專家提醒這個有可能是我們最近可以派得上用場的嗎 |
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我跟委員報告這家試驗公司所開發的試劑這邊講到受到國際認可它是送到中國的參考實驗室認證它並沒有向台灣我們台灣有參考實驗室它並沒有來向我們台灣的參考實驗室申請認證的部分有沒有有認證還沒認證這是有啦OIE認可的一個實驗室世界動物衛生組織OIE認可的一個實驗室它的優點來我跟你講先者專家提醒的優點是什麼潛伏期就可以驗出來了 |
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而且他很快嘛 就跟10分鐘就知道你這樣就可以降低非洲豬瘟傳染這個風險你看你現在不是說要希望附近的不要擴散出去對不對那你不是盡快 例如說附近的幾公里內的全部趕快測有問題進一步去測嘛然後如果全國的可能有症狀的 |
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會趕快塞啊 我想對 之前我們不會採用這個因為台灣是清的嘛是乾淨的肺液區但是現在有開始有一些病例的時候我們要用更積極的方式去做這些疫調的過程中然後您剛才講這個方法我會請我們的專業團隊來評估因為某個程度也會擔心當你測出來快塞因為快塞的準確度還是有個百分比萬一是有他自己害怕自己就把它撲殺掉了 |
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那反而會讓疫調更為不精準所以我想這個以後專業團隊他們專家會議去討論 |
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它這個快篩是專業的 它是要抽血您可以要求那個獸醫要在現場所以你剛剛講那個是可以解決的所以我說像這樣子的方式我想交由我們的專家團隊去研議說是不是應該用這種方式如果他們建議我們一定會去採行好 OK 這個是很多專家學者建議的趕快評估一下 好不好然後第二個就是除以這個風險 |
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現在我們這個養豬除蟻使用就剛剛張家慶張委員問過了8% 協界本來說10% 它更精準是8%可是非洲出溫的疫情90%都來自於除蟻現在當然有人在罵說為什麼不禁那你現在就是先禁15天對不對 |
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對 我們的透過我們的潛伏期的15天所以我們本身是以15天為一個我們做疫調的因為現在禁止是斷點然後疫調如果完成了以後我們就會重新的去檢討我們如果要開放那要更好的一個控管的機制 |
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對 那如果說要禁止那也要有一個大家合理的討論空間要怎麼樣的轉型所以這個部分喔 我想我們會用一個很完整的方案喔如果完成以後會對外來說明絕對不是說今天要或不要8%引起90%的這個危險確實要 當然沒有沒有 部長我跟你講就是事後 你當然15天之後你要檢討要不要用嘛 對不對那如果要繼續用 一定要做到兩件事情第一個 第一個他在爭主要 |
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我們絕對強力的控管90度C一個小時 一定要漏死第二個 我看了環境部的資料他說是不是應該要有個病毒的檢查你做成試藥之前 要不要多一道安全的可以測試嘛 這很簡單對不對 |
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你若要繼續用 今天能不能清楚的表達說以後做好病毒檢查我想喔 除以如果經過真正合格的徵組完了以後再進去飼料室安全的齁那如果說除以都要做病毒檢查那表示說我們設計的這一套徵組機制是不對的 |
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現在就是因為你徵阻了以後你現在出現漏洞所以90%都來自那邊我跟委員報告現在的來源到底是從哪邊來的現在還在疫調不能說是廚藝我想人員可能的國外的接觸 豬場的接觸都有可能所以我們現在 各種可能 |
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你剛才講嘛那是可能之一嘛除非是可能之一嘛所以你要先禁止這15天嘛對不對那我現在就跟你講除了徵阻要落實之外你要不要多一道安全的措施我想能夠更強力的監管我們一定會做好OK最後做幾個建議第一個這次受害的這個產業 |
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至少有養豬的這個產業鏈對不對然後第二個豬肉的這個加工業還有我們餐飲的觀光業這個衝擊都是非常大的我們請先要趕快做評估而且要盡量去幫他們好不好會 我們會來做評估另外部長我最後要幾個東西你兩個禮拜內給我第一個就是我相信這是全民現在也急著要的就是加速完成這次疑似案件的各項問題的釐清包括是真為 |
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非洲的這個豬瘟嗎病毒出這個來源到現在才查嘛對不對傳染的方式傳染的來源途徑這是第一點第二個要建置這個病疫病的這個資料庫老實講我們現在是缺了很多啦第三個儘速完成疫調並且要公布喔同時嚴防可能這個病毒擴散到譬如說彰化來混零病世界養豬的這個大縣那如果不幸不幸疫情真的這個擴大了 |
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要緊急提出來對農業跟養豬產業有具體的支持政策跟措施那之後我提兩個建議弱品市場以後如果恢復了 |
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對於豬的這個健康的把關跟強化要有一個明確的說明另外養豬這個產業鏈也要利用這個計劃調整跟升級好不好謝謝委員這五大這個部分我想我們一定也是朝這個方向在做但是我跟委員報告不可能兩個禮拜因為疫調有它的疫調的程序我沒辦法在兩個禮拜就告訴你所有的答案 |
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所以只要疫調完成了以後因為這是全部的一個作為嘛只要疫調我們疫調每一天都會公布我們的進度然後最後有一個比較清楚的時候我們一定第一時間把相關的資料提供給委員疫調完成就儘快給他好不好我們不會沒有辦法兩個但是疫調完成我們第一時間一定會讓經濟委員會還有所有委員知道共同努力啦是希望把這件事情了解好謝謝謝謝委員守護我們人民的這個健康 |
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讓這個整個養豬產業不要受到衝擊我們一起來努力 謝謝 |