| IVOD_ID |
164652 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164652 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T09:57:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T10:08:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d3b0c30e3ae2c4f1dacbd78a287304ef9f61e6bfef52f5c093e1b2bb67ee2f385d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:11 - 10:08:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 那我想請陳部長我們再請陳部長喂好再下一個 |
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就是部長我想我主要還是要呼籲大家必須要冷靜理性然後中央跟地方一定要攜手合作來防範這一次的疫情爆發那包括說昨天你們已經宣布說要禁止廚餘養豬那想請問一下說禁止廚餘養豬大概會禁止多久呢 |
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我跟委員報告我們在設計這個鏡子圖養豬是用他可能的潛伏期就是15天但是我們每5天會做一個觀察那我想請問一下現在全台灣到底有多少豬隻呢500再養頭數大概是500500 |
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505.8萬505.8萬嘛505.8萬請問目前廚藝養豬的大概是多少戶我們這樣講就是廚藝養豬戶有5552場那其中廚藝養豬的有435場35場 |
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本席幫你算過了就是全台灣這麼多頭豬只有將近46萬是廚餘養豬所以只佔了全國養豬戶的8%所以你現在告訴我說你不全面禁止廚餘養豬為了這46萬頭要犧牲500多萬頭為了這8%你要讓台灣成為非洲豬瘟的破口嗎 |
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不過我想我們現在目前禁止廚餘養豬或者是禁宰禁運最主要是把這個傳播鏈先做斷鏈這就是下一個問題就是下一個問題才會去做移調但是後續的廚餘養豬的政策我想我們會是希望可長可久我們台灣的養豬產業你知道這個一旦爆發之後我本席就問你假設爆發之後會影響整個產值多少 |
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以純粹豬產業的話大概800多億但是觀念產業的話超過1000億是吧 本席也幫你算過不只1000億可能1500億也有可能2000億這影響的是全國人民欸可能會打擊非常多人的生計所以在現在你告訴我說到底要禁止廚藝養豬多久 |
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我想我們還是以就是15天當作一個所以你覺得先禁止15天為了這8%吃廚餘的這個養豬戶你要只禁止15天因為這8%46萬頭你要影響500 |
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50萬頭是嗎550萬頭我還是要跟委員說明齁就是廚藝養豬他如果經過珍珠廠合格的珍珠這個是安全但是他畢竟是一個破口啊你同意嗎你同意他是一個破口嗎他可能是破口之一是吧他就是破口之一他就是一個破口他就是一個破口那這個影響是1000億至2000億的產業你告訴我說為了這8% |
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你要影響這麼多人你堅持不禁止全面禁止廚餘養豬的理由是什麼我沒有說不禁止那我剛才說的你沒有說不禁止就是你要禁止囉我們這個政策我們需要去做滾動檢討那我們現在的策略就是從108年到現在那個廚餘養豬廠從 |
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從一千多場變成四百多場 不見得去輔導他轉型那現在告訴你說已經有爆發了你必須立即全面禁止 全面輔導他轉型這個才是你農業部現在手應該要趕快去做的呀你農業部不趕快去做 你告訴我說你15天之後還要觀察 |
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你為什麼不能說先進一年先進三年試試看你試試看之後其實很多我們台灣的黑豬其實吃豆料也是可以我再問你下一個問題就是染上病毒的這些豬隻到底有沒有流入市場 |
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以我們現在的觀察我們是在病死豬去檢測到的但是從我們的疫調過程中他過程中所以你也不確定說染上這個非洲豬瘟的豬隻到底有沒有流入市場是嗎屠宰場出來都會 屠宰前 屠宰後都會進貨位所以有掌握最新的流向嗎有掌握最新的流向說到底這個病死豬我們沒有病死豬流到屠宰場 |
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真正的屠宰進到那個肉餅市場都會那個圖前跟圖後都由獸醫師檢查所以這個部分都是安全的我想消費者不要疑慮所以也呼籲消費者絕對不要擔心絕對不要擔心因為他是不會傳染給人的 是不是 是所以另外我也想要請問一下國內那現在目前有豬肉短缺的狀況嗎 |
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現在因為我們禁運了以後那短時間之內市場上的這些需求我們都是用冷凍的方式所以會啟動就是進口國外的豬肉嗎我們現在冷凍我們協調冷凍工業冷凍廠來供應第一個最重要的學童午餐第二個就是我們的一些市場所以我們的庫存量大概有將近26到一個月的時間本席在這裡提醒你 |
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你假設要從國外進口你也要檢查非洲豬瘟的這個病菌因為他在冷凍肉品裡面是可以生存將近1000天的所以這個也是我們必須要防堵的可是呢再回過頭來包括邊境管制假設你全面禁止廚餘養豬 |
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你邊境管制就可以就不用那麼緊張你知道嗎這是一個雞生蛋誕生肌的問題你如果假設禁止全面廚餘養豬邊境管制大家帶進來就不會那麼緊張我跟委員報告就是非得豬的傳播不只是廚餘可能人體我知道所以還有很多 |
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我知道但是禁止廚餘養豬是已經可以降低風險很多包括我們雲林縣早在七年前張立善縣長上任的時候他就全面禁止廚餘養豬那個時候就也有呼籲當時的農委會的主委陳吉仲 |
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那時候就呼籲陳吉仲主委說應該全面禁止廚藥養豬圍堵這件事情嘛那所以現在有很多的鄉親喔另外還有要講的就是假設真的未來爆發了就是要 |
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撲殺補助的部分我們還是希望說這個是個案但是我們必須要料敵從寬未來如果進行撲殺本席建議必須要從優從寬的原則比照當初禽流感的這個模式喔你一定主動通報的機制然後依據市場價格進行全場全額補助的這樣的機制因為我們不能讓農民為了配合防疫而造成他重大的損失那這更是為了 |
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鼓勵農民主動通報的一個重大機制不要避免說他為了隱瞞然後不通報而造成的這個死角 這個部長認同嗎 |
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我想如果不是市主刻意隱瞞我們做全場撲殺的部分一定有我們相關的撲殺經費那第二個部分就是飼料的部分我剛才講的我們會去做一個滾動的檢討因為現在目前除以養豬的大縣就包括新北桃園台中新竹然後還有屏東這幾個大縣因為除以養豬可是只有46萬頭啊 |
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可是他吃廚餘的也只有45萬頭啊這些養豬大縣裡面也只有全國加起來只有46萬頭佔全國豬隻的8%因為這8%造成了影響上千億的這個產業鏈的風險你覺得值得嗎沒有 我剛才說的 |
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風險是有來自不同的我再提醒一下部長我們會逐步的去調整我再提醒一下部長說假設不幸真的爆發我們必須撲殺那後續這些株枝的處理你們怎麼處理因為目前台灣只有 |
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五個化智場 只有五個縣市有五個縣市有九個化智場只有宜蘭彰化雲林台東屏東五個縣市有化智場那怎麼辦呢是不是中央要有統一協調撲殺後株枝的處理辦法否則如果假設二度污染怎麼辦我現在本席 |
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不是要挑戰農業部或者是要給你們找麻煩我們現在是希望大家一起攜手把這些事情有可能會發生的我們預先把這些機制擬出來其實這也會相當程度安定我們豬農的心非常謝謝委員這樣的一個建議特別在化製廠的部分 |
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像昨天我就特別提到因為台東現在比較比較看起來是疫區嘛所以台東市的豬一定不會流到其他縣市然後第二個部分就是現有的9家的化製廠本身我們都希望過透過聯合調度的方式大家縣市彼此放掉彼此擔心的那個然後就是接納其他的縣市的部分那後續因為以現在的量大概一年可以處理100萬頭但是如果緊急的時候那怎麼辦 |
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所以我們就必須做一個當緊急有緊急方式的目前有很多豬農給本席反應就是說有沒有可能補助他們小型的焚化的器具讓他們可以就地焚化但是這個當然我覺得要專家評估這個叫做生物處理機那這個部分我們絕對會來考慮我們絕對會來考慮因為在場裡面做生物處理的方式因為它移動還是有風險的所以這一點可能請部長 |
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薛議員的建議像這個生物處理機我們會來考慮我最後還是想跟部長說就是防疫視同作戰那中央跟地方包括我們委員會包括整個立法院我想都全力的支持你一定要用最謹慎最快的速度還有決心來守護這些豬農還有守護所有消費者的餐桌安全 |
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謝謝 我想中央跟地方一定要充分合作還有包括全國的消費者或者豬農我們一起來努力我相信一起努力的話我們會把疫情降到最低的一個風險是 謝謝 |