| IVOD_ID |
164649 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164649 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T09:43:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T09:56:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d3451d804af3ee33588c2d94e6d34c5cc93bd93a97ab1467130c9ded73aea8ac595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:09 - 09:56:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議(事由:邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況,並備質詢。) |
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有請顧部長請部長部長您好聽完今天您的報告這個內容中間有許多是我們值得持續強化加強當然還有很大努力的精進空間那我摘取了幾個部分的議題向您就教是不是也請這個副總長執行官您也方便一起 |
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今天的内容报告中间提到了在今年的4月1号2号中共执行海峡雷霆2025A那么它是例行性的海空联合战备警巡任务 |
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他设定了目标方法手段意图在孤立台湾方法是解放军完成外线包围海警执行内线的隔离那么当然也是区域拒止让外力无法进入海海这里面我要向国防部持续建议精进的就是我们目前已经在做共同图像了但是这个共同图像的运用上还有精进的空间像左边这个图就是把国防部公布的图 |
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显示出来那这是媒体运用国防部的图做出图那下面这张图就是把海图航图经过校正把临近日本的防空识别区他的所有的对空雷达涵盖范围套叠上去那么这个山东号航舰出来的一个显示那左边这个图就是刚才国防部的这张展示图 |
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回到這個裡面就要請教一個問題了因為這張大圖的比例是1比300萬分之一所以如果把展示圖套疊上去的那個海沙中線 |
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0.3公分實際上它就相當於9000碼這個時候我們的空軍防空監偵就要掌握雷達的誤差有的時候中共在所謂的中線它是打擦邊球希望耗損你的戰力我們希望監控的過程能夠做更精密的掌握這點我們是希望把這個東西不只是在國防部的各聯參要運用 |
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尤其是在国防大学的教学的方向这种方法 |
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尤其是讲灰色地带灰色区块这个要纳入教学那么共同图像未来一定是取代了我们现在传统的UTM的纸图现在国防大学还在精进这个纸图还是2000年的这种图希望能够在教学方面能够加快进展因为要导入AI的技术一定要从教学开始而不是从部队去运用 |
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这张图是今天早上7点40分在金门外岛所有海域上显示的这些商船其实现在你用手机你就可以查在这个时间内早上7点40的时候 |
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有四艘中华民国的船到金门去也有三艘外籍商船其中有四条船他把AIS关掉了这里面有可能是中共海警船进入但是有17条的中共商船在我们的禁县制水域内活动那这种情况下是不是就是侵犯了我们的所谓的管辖权因为这个是在外岛水域了 |
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我想請教一下這個站在國防部的立場或者林參的看法我們是如何協商我們的海巡部隊提出警告這裡面還有將近十七八條中共船在我們這邊下茅這個時候它是排隊等待進廈門港但是它並沒有獲得我們同意這個時候我們國防部作出什麼樣的回應 |
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跟委員報告我想就相關的海警或者是這個民兵漁船的這些部分我們會跟這個海巡署建立這一個相關的情志共享然後也通報的機制所以我們會持續的應用我們所有的聯合行政手段來我們一起來掌握那針對這個海警跟民兵的部分現在的按照這個 |
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相關的這個海上任務中資源協定書的話是先由海巡這個執法單位優先處置那我們會派遣適切的任務件來做一個資源這樣子那現狀當然就是說我們主要還是要我們共同來守護我們這個海疆 |
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这个里面呢有一部分呢它是玉石它在里面产生滞留了那甚至这里面打符号是打圆圈的就是它全部在这边毛破了那理论上它不应该在我们家的前院后院停车那它下毛它其实呢吃豆腐它排队要等得及下门岗它这个停留时间很长甚至它也是排放污水等于说污染了我们的海域那这个时候啊 |
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就不只是海巡应该要执行执法因为我们站在国防部的角色这个权责尽限制水域是我们的权责所以平常跟海巡的协商因为这个时候我们的军舰并不会进去 |
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我想海軍了解在金門外島境線之所以我們的軍艦除了外島的補給艦進去以外我們的作戰艦艇並不進入的所以這個時候要有一個調節的空間就是掌握他他遲滯了多少我們要回報另外在上面各位看一下那個廈門的祥安機場在今年的年底到了明年初就要啟用了那麼他是完全比照 |
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上海浦东机场它是一个国际机场规模非常大那它的这个起飞下滑道不管是动四动两两动它有很可能它的飞机民航机会进入了我们的近线之水域甚至从金门上空飞过去 |
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基于人道精神及飞安我们当然不会去用用其他的手段去去这个制造危险但是在航管跟民航局跟我们站管的协商部分这个我提醒我们要强化这个部分因为这也是一个灰色区块尤其是玩弄国际法的行为因为刚才 |
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也特别讲掉了他把台海未来内海化这个内水化跟这个外岛状况不一样其实我也建议我们不管是在联餐都要应该把1982年联合国的海洋法公约有关公海自由航行内海内水的定义 |
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这个连参要有那么在我们的国防大学三个子参学院还有法律师都要把这个拿出来叫这是一个国际法的灰色区块那根据Article33到47里面都有强调台海是公海不能因为中共片面的解释就变成内海化我想这个部分我们要在国际法的部分要持续强化 |
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共同图像现在我们知道国防部在持续精进尤其是通知传输媒体任性那么不管是我们讲的将来的卫星 低轨 海澜这些东西都在强化但是地面也要发展非地面网络的串联 |
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这次在救灾过程中间我们也很正面的看待我们的国军救灾部队已经能够用Google Map的图结合手机用WiFi的方式能够掌握但这个东西安全性能后面还大家自己要持续精进这个是俄罗斯的国家的指挥中心它这种的图像从作战区 |
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到这个就是说国家的最高层级甚至救灾防灾他通通可以做一个显示那这个是未来我们要努力精进那因为有不同的信号来源不同时间友好国家所以不同的时间不同的区块不同的行为不同的位置不同的动向最后经过整合产生一个给长官做决策客观的共同图像那这个是在今年救灾啊二零 |
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25年9月25号我先显示一个我们虚拟的战情那么有各种图像选择最主要就是你透过云端或者你的网络你战略情报要有操控台各种征收器通讯操控台还有摇测无人机回馈的台限定还有云端监制卫星动态情报做一个我相信国防部现在已经在强化这个部分但是现在呢你要跟结合下面是什么呢 |
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就是栽房了以后我们要看到的是整个栽房的情势就是像这个 |
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马太安西或是这一次燕子口这个方案如果溃堤或者撤侨撤离居民这个部分等于说我们的国军跟地方甚至中央救灾中心是分享共同图像这一块我们还可以共同努力那这个是一个方法论我想连二部分或者是我们官部已经在进行这个部分那最主要就是强调未来的人工智慧 |
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它的本質是要能夠特定目標的設計周遭環境的因素要有信任感解釋性驗證度確實性能夠提供接近戰場實際的充分資料 |
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那人工智慧的决心实际上它并不能取代指挥官这个在教学里面还是很重要我们希望不管只参教员或者是先进的单位都要有这个课程而不是现在大家都用手机都会用这个AI付钱不付钱是另外一个手段 |
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那么另外就是现在强调的我们的台湾盾要整合现有的所有的武器装备透过不同的Sensor还有美方未来提供的资本因为今天您的报告讲提到了有C5ISR我建议再加一个T就是Targeting因为现在物货的时间越来越缩短可以交换的情资也是越来越短所以最后就是 |
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用AI但是我们要为最终的结果负责要很踏实地做不是口号式的照镜环节兼构绝对不会有漏网那最主要就是要确认我们指挥层级还有操作层级哪些是在链路中间main in the loop on the loop那低层授权的out of the loop这个我希望我们在这个部分AI的运用构想上要大家一起努力持续精进部长请您这个回应一下 |
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在軍民的這個部分我想結合那個EMIC這個部分我們現在正在努力的目標那當然我們賄賂的部分應該是非機密的部分那所以軍民融合作為 |
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政府的一個全政府的決策系統這個部分正在討論也在努力當中那另外國軍本身的部分我想地面的部隊我們現在已經有實際上大家也已經有看到就是所謂的台灣戰術網路這個部分在作為地面 |
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這個數位圖資掌握整個部隊動態跟部隊的即時資訊這個部分我們也正在努力那關於整體防空的這個部分就是說如何從sensor到shooter有一個對各式的sensor跟武器做個整合然後並且導入這個戰場管理系統來做協助那我想這個部分也是我們正在努力的方向 |
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業務部長大家共同努力持續精進謝謝 |