| IVOD_ID |
164643 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164643 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T09:18:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T09:30:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d37218d439df1f91adcbd78a287304ef9f3bd93a97ab1467137928a3d90b696a425ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:18:29 - 09:30:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席我請一下陳部長我們請陳部長喂好部長好部長您在10月20號左右聽到這個消息嘛對不對21號21號左右聽到這個消息你內心第一個想法是什麼 |
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我直接講啦或許你不好意思表達我們守非洲豬瘟守了六七年好不容易在今年的五月我們獲得世界動物衛生組織的認證台灣是亞洲唯一一個口蹄疫豬瘟非洲豬瘟的三大非疫區結果一夕之間破功我昨天聽到這個消息的時候我非常非常的難過 |
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好部長這個是你們整理出來的整個疑似非洲豬瘟的大事記疑似因為你昨天是用疑似這件事情來開記者會我進一步請教根據您今天的這一份報告我就一項一項來請教你大事記我看我就也不用再特別看了初步的檢驗結果PCR核酸呈陽性那代表的意思是什麼 |
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他就是確認他是非洲豬瘟是不是我想非洲豬瘟的確認等一下我是不是可以請我們的那個獸醫所來報告因為核酸片段是代表他有有這樣子的核酸片段但是他還是要做完成的定序所以你還沒有做完完成的定序所以現在還不能告訴大家是不是確定是定序昨天做完了但是根據WOH如果說 |
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這個國家發生第一例的時候那你必須做病毒的分類那病毒的分類大概要兩個禮拜的時間那病毒的分類確定了以後才能跟WHO去通報所以這段時間我們是用儀式的方式但是用最高規格的方式來處理好 |
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如果是這樣的話我也尊重你們的處理機制不過部長我想要看的就是說這件事情我覺得一定是有某些疏失這些疏失會出現在哪裡比如說在10月10號的時候台中的這個牧場已經開始有出現豬隻死亡 |
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14號台中動保處去訪視但是沒有採樣動保處認為沒有異常可是依照中央的規定你只要有 |
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不確定性你只要有不知名原因的死亡都應該要立刻採檢結果台中的動保處拖了10天已經死了117頭豬了拖了10天才通報更扯的是在10月13號的時候這一家牧場還快速運了30頭豬出去賣 |
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我不知道他內心到底知不知道他的牧場出狀況了然後想說趁這個時間趕快把這個豬趕快把它賣掉然後呢我看到最難過的是昨天的新聞我看到最難過的是最愛驗豬肉的盧秀燕市長一盒西部特羅驗了這樣子驗到台塘虧損連連 |
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最該驗的豬隻死亡不驗不開記者會不說明竟然叫大家去參加台中購物節拼經濟到底盧秀燕市長知不知道這個養豬業者的所有的產值所影響的是多少億剛剛我們的昭緯講了昭緯一開始主持會的時候就講了這影響將近千億的產值啊這千億的產值盧秀燕賠得起嗎 |
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盧修彥可以擔得起來嗎台中動保處可以擔得起來這個責任嗎很顯然沒有現在所有的作為幾乎全部是要交給你們農業部去做部長我要請教如果交給農業部去做後面的精進作為幾件事情請教農業部昨天講了幾個方案幾件事情第一個 |
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禁宰豬肉第二個禁用這個廚餘餵食到底禁宰豬肉跟禁用廚餘餵食期間是要多久過去我們曾經有禁止廚餘餵食一個月那針對今天台中的這個案子你們的禁止廚餘餵食是會多久20天我們跟這個全國的養豬協會 |
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做過電話聯繫 做過討論他告訴我們為了要讓消費者安心20天是他們可以撐得住的就是20天不要台幣20天不要用廚餘去吃的他們是可以撐得住的農業部怎麼看 |
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我想農業部針對這樣子的一個禁運禁載跟禁止使用廚餘我們是用他的一個可能發病的潛伏期15天所以我們的整個的禁運或是禁用廚餘是用以15天為 |
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為最大的一個管制的時間點所以你現在是要禁載禁運跟禁用廚餘你現在抓的天數是15天但是我們每5天去做一個觀察那這些觀察就是讓我們的疫調能夠就是更精準的觀察那如果說在這15天之內如果說我們的疫情跟他的疫調的結果他沒有在擴散的時候那我們可能有機會提早解除這樣的一個禁令 |
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所以現在就是很清楚的告訴大家以15天為基準 禁載 禁運 禁用廚餘 養豬現在是以15天但是你用5天為一個觀察基數嘛所以是不是農業部是不是也能夠5天就公布一次你們這5天的觀察期的數據跟現在的進程 你們的疫調的進程能夠讓社會大眾 能夠讓消費者也安心也能夠讓我們的養豬業者安心 |
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我跟委員報告我們在前進指揮所每一天工作會議結束以後每一天都會召開記者會對外說明每一天會把我們的疫調的進度對外說明讓我們的民眾了解好 謝謝部長第二個我要請教昨天你們的昨天我們的這個應變中心啊也特別提到那這些病死豬的處理模式應變中心要求這些所有的病死豬必須焚化 |
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對不對必須要送到焚化爐去焚化但是台中市政府說他沒有辦法焚化台中市政府主張採取掩埋的方式部長您知道這件事情嗎那如果他要掩埋我要請教埋在哪裡如何掩埋對於土壤對於水源會不會造成污染對於環境會不會造成影響 |
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有合法的掩埋場嗎有合法的病死豬掩埋場嗎部長你有掌握嗎有 我跟委員報告就是對一般的病死豬除了主要是送到化資廠但是如果說因為特殊的原因沒有辦法送到化資廠的話他是可以就地掩埋 |
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或者是焚燒的部分但是掩埋也有一般掩埋的相關的作業規範而不是說就挖個坑就把病死豬就丟進去了所以相關的就算是掩埋它相關的部分也有相關的一個規範那今天最重要就是 |
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因為台中本身是現在看起來的主要的疫區那我們做框定我們不希望說台東市裡面的這些豬隻有流到外縣市就是移出外縣市所以針對台東市是特殊的我們希望說他的病死豬的部分能夠就地處理那這個處理包括我們昨天也調度了一些生物處理機讓他去做有效的處理 |
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部長你還是沒有回答問題啊他就地處理是要就地怎麼處理他是就地掩埋還是就地在地焚化爐去焚化嘛如果你很堅持用在地的焚化爐去焚化那我覺得這件事情我是支持農業部喔昨天我們在中央影片中間你可以幫他協助看他要再去到哪裡就地的焚化爐我覺得 |
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立刻把它分化這個對大家來講會是比較安心埋在土裡你根本不知道他埋在哪一個野埋場那那個野埋場合不合法那個野埋場的處置作業適不適合這個都是大家擔心的一件事情所以這個可能會後我要請部長再 |
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還是部長您現在要說明我們昨天開會的時候我們就請台中市政府送到焚化爐去但是焚化爐太大隻不能弄所以我們也增掉了許多生物處理機在焚化爐旁邊透過生物處理機來處理到一部分以後再進到焚化爐去我們是用這樣的態度台中市願意遵守嗎台中市願意已經媒合了我們媒合了很多這個所以未來會這個 |
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571.735 |
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589.63 |
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好如果是這樣不好意思主席再給我兩分鐘的時間這個剛剛關務署也特別報告我想這個農業部大概也有密切掌握其實這幾年來違規攜帶豬肉入境的還是層出不窮而且這個數量都還是頗多那我們的宣導 |
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590.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
611.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們一直告訴大家不要攜帶豬肉入境這個會造成台灣有感染非洲豬瘟的風險結果沒有想到藍白兩黨認為你們的煤炫預算太多所以就聯手大砍了煤炫預算偉大的黃國昌委員還說要砍到讓大家有感 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
612.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
631.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這真的大家就有感啦非洲豬瘟進來啦防疫宣傳不夠啊防疫動作不夠啊真的讓大家很有感而且這個感是憤怒啊被他們這樣預算亂砍導致台灣未來有可能成為非洲豬瘟的疫區我覺得這個是讓我們最感到 |
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632.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
655.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
憤怒的地方部長最後一個我要跟您提醒我們現在等於是在亡羊補牢等於是在幫人家擦屁股在處理後續的事情但是後續的事情包括我剛剛講的這個病死豬的焚化處理的流程這個你們一定要趕快建立所謂的SOP第二個我們要求所有的 |
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655.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
673.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
不管是養豬場也好所有的市場等等都要做清消那這些消毒水的供應是不是也能夠請農業部來協助各地方縣市政府趕快發送到各個養豬場或者是肉品市場或者是屠宰場等等 |
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674.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
700.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
相關的場域這一些消毒水的發放甚至類似這樣的一個防疫的補助經費是不是也能夠請貴府部趕快盤點然後趕快來協助地方政府來做總之我希望雖然已經被突破了但是後面的亡羊補牢的工作後面的圍堵我們還是要持續加速甚至加緊加嚴來進行部長這個可以做得到嗎 |
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701.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
722.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我想謝謝委員的提醒這四點我們已經第三點第四點已經昨天就宣布了而且在做了那我在這邊要特別特別藉這個機會呼籲各地方政府因為現在各地方政府本身的一些畫製廠他是不允許其他縣市進到那邊畫製的那我覺得在這個時間點除了台東市我們單獨處理以外 |
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722.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
736.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
那其他縣市的這些正常的病死豬的部分希望各縣市能夠一起合作讓他的豬隻能夠進到花枝場這樣的話才不會流露到非法的這些丟棄我們希望說大家一起努力好 謝謝 |