| IVOD_ID |
164601 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164601 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T12:00:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T12:11:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da0915e3581c198da334f1f132b5784e042d78011594ec57573dc5b1e4eb39a2a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:39 - 12:11:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員洪孟楷等21人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案。
二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案。
三、委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案。
四、委員王育敏等16人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案。
五、委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案。
六、委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案。
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好謝謝主席我們有請洪部長請洪部長王委員好部長好部長你剛說外送人員權益專法要三個月才能送進立法院因為還有後面一些法制你知道三個月是什麼概念嗎三個月之後已經是多久以後的事了明年一月中以後的事一月底 |
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立法院這個會期已經結束了所以又是要拖到明年的下會期如果要等你們的話要到明年下會期才要開始審議這樣一個專法那我們召委為什麼要今天就已經排了這樣一個專法今天已經在巡打如果召委加快速度的話我們下下禮拜就進入主條了你還在三個月了誰要等你啊 |
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你這個就是明年才要修法的概念怎麼可能那這樣子拖拖拉拉是真的想要保障這一些外送員的權益還是以拖待變跟委員說明其實我們其實現在就是最後階段的法制作業最後階段為什麼還需要三個月因為包括預告你剛剛的表達前後矛盾剛剛有委員在問你的時候你說你已經跟這些外送員開了很多次的會議是從什麼時候開始 |
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應該是從6月7月6月就開始開會了然後你到現在版本還長不出來還跟委員會說還要再三個月才要送進來勞動部做事情是這麼的沒有效率嗎而且坦白講討論外送援權益專法也不是今天才開始你自己擔任過立法委員在你擔任立法委員任內你又在未還委員會 |
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都有相關的討論大家都有一些基本的想法跟概念是他不是一個從零開始的所以為什麼還需要三個月完全沒有辦法接受這跟召委報告如果勞動部是要這樣的態度的話下下禮拜我們就進主條吧完全不需要等待等待是沒有意義的因為這件事情不可能你現在才開始研議你竟然還要再花三個月的時間 |
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也太沒有效率了那如果是這樣子民進黨團昨天在延萊出匆匆忙忙開了一個記者會說他們有擋板了他那麼匆忙做什麼他沒有跟你商量嗎你還要三個月他昨天那麼匆忙的開了記者會拍照說他們有擋板了你們在延萊出 |
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那到底有沒有決心要盡快的通過我以為昨天民進黨黨團很匆忙的開了一個記者會之後代表他跟你們講好了大家現在有共識了因為今天已經在巡打了所以我們要用最快的速度讓這個專法可以完成結果你剛剛的回答是還要三個月後 |
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根文說明沒有決心根文說明因為現在其實當然朝野都有版本那當然我們也很願意就目前朝野的版本來做討論那當然因為委員也希望我們提出行政部門的版本那我說我們也願意提出行政部門我們也願意盡快但是後去因為行政部門確實跟在委員提案立法院的提案有不太一樣的地方是我們還要經過像預告 |
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包括法規會的審議包括行政院法規會的審議這裡面會有一些審議不盡然全部都是可以控在勞動部手上的尤其是這裡面還涉及到一些跨部會的職權所以在這裡面所以那你老早就應該要提早上路啦既然你六月份都願意跟外送員就是坐下來談了你怎麼不那個時候就開始你所有的工作在六月份就應該要啟動而不是今天因為國民黨 |
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我們召委排案之後你從今天開始才要啟動所有的行政作業這個就是你們呆乎職守並不是今天才開始你們不夠重視這件事情我必須坦白講你們不夠重視這個就是事實那進到這個法的內涵剛剛其實你也提到了就是說我們是要保障在他的薪資收入在他的保險在他的這個工作權我們應該都有具體保障事實上這部法不難 |
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就一些關鍵的部分所以我要問你的態度你同意或不同意現在的這個停權呢是外送平台權力非常大我幫你停權了就停權了完全沒有期限也沒有規範那本席提出來的至少應該要30日的告知並給予經濟補償這個你同意嗎 |
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停權就要經濟補償因為一般現在是比較是針對終止契約終止契約要經濟補償所以委員的版本是停權就要經濟補償嗎 |
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對就是我希望就是如果你提出停權你要提早告知那給予適度的如果加上加上終止契約就是應該給予經濟基本上現在的版本應該都是如果談到終止終止契約的部分才會經濟補償30日告知呢你同意嗎 |
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我想其实提前告知是你们自己心里应该都有个底了吧我们基本上我们是认为第一个停权这件事情的重点是停权的事由要清楚第二个要有申诉明确申诉的机制因为现在遇到的外送人传达的事情是申诉的时候打电话到某个申诉的 |
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的专线可是那个专线并不是真人的专线所以没有办法这个申诉都会石沉大海所以应该要有专人的回应专人的处理这个我们都同意那他需不需要提前告知如果按照现在平台这么粗暴的做法很多外送员他是有外送他才有收入那你可以就是不提前告知的情况底下你就直接就说 |
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不給你接單了那他的收入是0那不需要嗎不需要提前告知嗎不需要規範一個期限嗎給他有個心理準備他知道我即將要被停權我可能要去我的支出我可能稍微尊嚴一點或是我要去想我有沒有其他的管道跟方法不需要嗎我覺得提前我覺得我們是可以討論的 |
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對好但是的確我要說的說你剛才在講的這個事情裡面通常是要終止契約部分才會再去討論經濟補償不是在停權上這個可以再討論這個可以再討論那另外一個就是他的那個接單費的計算這個我們看到之前這個UberEat他他擅自更改更改了新制他一改呢可能會讓這個外送員平均一單就少了四成三他改了這樣子 |
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然後聽說你們勞動部也有介入啊也有去跟平台業者談啊那談了之後我知道的是完全沒有效果啊平台根本不理你啊不理你勞動部啊你完全沒有辦法去改變它他是把第二單的部分 |
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他現在是首單是從40塊變45塊不是50塊啦對這個可以調整但算下來就是錢少很多那獎勵金就沒有了前面兩單會減少19塊獎勵一倍就直接取消啊所以他平均他如果這樣子算法是少了4乘3 |
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就是少了19塊啦是少了4乘3所以4乘3在那個情況底下你認為你認為對一個外送員的衝擊不大嗎那讓人家最擔心的是後來你們也有去找平台開會是但是沒有結果是所以這也是為什麼沒有人要理你啊這也是為什麼我們認為如果平台是這樣的態度的話那你不覺得這個專法更應該趕快上路嗎是如果平台是這個如果平台是這個態度的話我們也認為當然法治化是當然有必要的對 |
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是啊 所以這個就是為什麼現在這麼多委員有共識嘛跟黨團有共識應該就是要立專法嘛不然就是讓平台予取予求啊他連你主管局都不理你了那更何況這一些外送員他用自己的聲音跟力量怎麼去對抗這個平台的大怪獸他沒有辦法 那個權力是極度的不對等喔所以這個部分 我拜託你喔你這個三個月是太誇張了請趕快跟上腳步好嗎 |
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另外一個我要提的是我要問你的態度賴清德總統說請一個如果有一個小孩就可以申請一個移工這件事情勞動部要同意嗎 |
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之前在討論80歲以上免申請巴士量表的時候你講了非常多理由這個人口暴增來源國不足啊嚴重排擠啊那現在賴清德總統提一個小孩就可以一個移工不是更不足嗎不是來源國會更不足嗎你敢不敢反對總統我們現在的確是在評估中 |
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所以你同意了並不是簡單的同意不同意那你為什麼之前80歲以上這個老人家那麼老了免巴士量表你一堆反對的理由那賴總統講說一個小孩就要請一個移工你就可以評估我們在政策評估中對啊所以你一切是看上意啊對不對如果按照你之前反對80歲以上這個外籍移工免巴士量表的理由的話放到賴總統提出來這個政策那你更應該反對到底如果你立場一致的話 |
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我是希望我們討論任何政策不要看顏色了就是真的是依專業來評估好不好那專業評估就會有一致性不會因為是誰提出來而任意去更改我希望賴總統這樣子講要慎重的評估兩個小孩比較合理一個小孩就請一個移工聽起來真的是不太合理移工的量恐怕也沒那麼大我們在整體評估中然後包括相關的配套謝謝 |
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619.085 |
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620.09 |
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謝謝王玉明委員發言請黃國昌委員發言 |