| IVOD_ID |
164598 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164598 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T12:05:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T12:16:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da2c8bf66f52a2d43fe29853ba2d60c06d2d78011594ec5757ddaafb66827a691f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:52 - 12:16:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處、財政部就「中央對直轄市及縣（市）政府補助辦法修正後，一般性補助款審查與評比基準、財務計畫檢核基礎、撥款方式等規範及作業程序為何？修改財力級次計算公式之合理性及對各縣市補助款影響為何？計畫型補助款範圍與業務定義？對各縣市未來整體財政補助金額之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請主席長還有阮市長請陳主席長還有阮市長委員好今天討論這個一般性補助款跟計畫性補助款剛剛王世堅 王委員質詢完 |
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這兩個對地方政府跟一般人民都是非常重要的如果套用王世堅的那個歌這本來應該是匆匆容容可以游刃有意要討論的啊結果現在行政院把他搞得變成是匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬甚至到現在都還在睜眼說瞎話昨天財政部邀了各個地方政府 |
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美企也說是協調可是看起來好像就是地方政府一定要接受的市長我看了你們昨天的一個講話你們說你們保證統籌款跟一般的補助款不會比去年還要少 |
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事實上你們昨天都在討論的是各個縣市之間的這個水平分配現在問題不在那裡嘛財化崴最重要精神是什麼就是以前的錢 中央集權嘛我一直在強調好的財政就是像不倒翁下面一定是要過的結果不是我們剛好是倒三角形 |
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頭重腳輕所以就出現很多地方自治沒辦法推動很多照顧人民的事情沒辦法做所以才修了財化法財化的精神就是把中央的拿的太多的錢要下放給地方嘛你昨天開會應該是要討論中央要落實財化法把該有的四千多億落實下放給地方結果不是你們去討論說各個縣市要怎麼分 |
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搞錯重點 第二個是更嚴重的目前我發現一個非常離譜的事情你們現在行政院好像變成土房地了你們不只坐在金山上面裝乞丐還在喊窮你們還在從地方挖錢這是財化法本來修正完下放地方是4100多億 對不對結果我現在發現一個很嚴重的你們是以修辦法你們從地方又搶了2646億回去 |
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搶了三分之二我們給大家清楚看一下中央這次要到地方的錢一個是統籌款一個是一般補助款一個是計劃型補助款現在最嚴重的計劃型的補助款今年2954億你們大到一砍砍到剩下308你們總會這樣子 |
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這個地方很多施政怎麼做等一下我進一步來講這個是影響影響到一般民眾最基礎的這個需求影響到我們很多的基礎建設了第二個影響也是很大的你把一般性的這個補助款你竟然要變成是要去做審查我先問你一下8月28號 |
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朝野協商的時候就發現說你們竟然做了這麼離譜的這個事情因為一般性的補助款很多都是法定預算嘛法定的義務支出嘛包括那個薪資啊什麼退伍那些你怎麼可能要去審查呢所以那一天朝野協商各黨團三長都在喔你看那個文這個文是不只是通過喔總統府公告的喔好要求行政院 |
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不能夠將明年的一般性補助款改為申請制上面不是只有國民黨跟民眾黨包括我三長簽名我簽起來的柯建銘 吳思瑤 陳培宇都在上面你現在怎麼樣 你是打臉柯建銘他們三長打臉總統府嗎怎麼可以做這樣的事情好啦 更嚴重的 你看右下角 |
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你現在馬上把原來的一般補助款砍掉是什麼教育部分的有659億全部都砍喔這裡面要做什麼基本的教育人員的辦事費營養午餐水電冷氣退伏支出限職的待遇調整這錢怎麼能砍呢第二個 |
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蘇進清一 砍了24億 他要做什麼河川的清一跟蘇進10億內政部下水道14億現在紅台低天災那麼多如果因為你把這個錢砍掉 要出了狀況你良心會安嗎 |
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一般型的補助款怎麼可以這樣改這樣砍呢你這個等於是辦法已經凌越了整個財化法當初的修正啊而且你是打臉了整個朝鮮協商的結論打臉了總統府接下來看更嚴重的計劃型補助款你砍了這2646億這多嚴重的事情桃園市直接跟你講 |
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他們桃園力推的珍珠海岸計畫被砍了以後還有校園的無障礙這個補助被砍了以後這全部都出狀況了然後台中市60億本來明年要給人家的60億的藍線的這個捷運砍到整家1.6億然後基隆跟彰化縣長跟這個縣長他們跑出來講說 |
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這次如果本來立法院通過這個財務法修正本來他們的地方的經費是增加的結果你知道裡面乾坤大農以下像這個土匪這樣像土房廳這樣亂砍砍到後來他們的計畫型的這個他們這整個收入啊欸搞不好比財務法修正以前還要少欸連立營我給你看一個連你們民進黨的而且你以前服務過的你長久在台南服務的連台南的財政稅務局都在說啊 |
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他說拜託中央我們有很多計劃型的這個補助款是已經實施多年他是一個跨年度的他說不要減要不然的話連台南的這個水利建設都受影響耶主委長跟次長我今天執行一畫面我要提醒幾個第一個現在問題不在不在縣市之間的這個移動是垂直 |
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而且是財化法本來的精神請回到你該給的錢要給地方你不要像土匪 像土房地你又搶回去了2000多億你現在就搶回去三分之二而且我今天很明確跟你講它已經影響了治水的這個問題教育的問題 薪資的問題基礎建設的這個問題各個縣市政府都出來 拜託了 |
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拜託你們你們這段時間不要一直在搶錢萬一天災來了你連治水的錢都砍掉了良心何在小孩子的營養午餐被你們砍掉了你疑心何忍 |
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好不好 回過頭去想因為115年預算的籌備是很困難的那我們當初去檢也是不得已所以我們本身是把原來一般性補助和計畫性補助都是屬於縣市應辦的事項所以我們把一些它屬於基本它應辦的事項歸給縣市然後把一些屬於需要中央政策引導性的部分來繼續編列而且我們還簡化 |
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你現在就是坐在金山上面在裝乞丐啦中央政府這麼有錢中央政府現在目前的總預算一年光是一年三兆欸歷年來最有錢的明年還變到三兆一千億欸 |
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你當主機人也那麼久我跑預算新聞那麼久我們以前的預算中央政府兩兆就不得了了短短這幾年攀升到三兆了你這麼有錢你是大富豪我們的地方政府要嘛小康要嘛就小平跟赤平 |
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就好不容易 財化法過了 錢要下放了可以落實地方自治 可以照顧地方建設 照顧地方的人民你又 乾坤大樓又去搶錢 搶了兩千多億回去不是 我乾坤大樓要搶 妳現在裝窮不是 事實上是 第一個我再給妳看一個 來 主席我再給妳看一個專業的數據 |
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民國八十八年 你看我的圖民國八十八年的時候 金手之前中央政府佔所有稅數是多少六十點一到現在 經過財務法你如果四千多億都下放 |
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4000多億都下放 還有65.6比以前多的比例 比例仔細看還多耶絕對仔細看3兆多耶你都是一個大富翁耶 你現在一直喊窮報告委員 這裡面包含整個政府11%的業務馬英九 陳水扁都不要實施那個整個業務都沒辦法推動了人家1兆多 2兆多都實施得好好的你3兆多結果還在裝乞丐 |
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615.477 |
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主委長你是不是都用書面答覆好不好好不好 最重要我剛剛講的最重要 對 我一句話就好最重要的不要把計畫型補助款砍那麼多該給地方的 你不能夠2900多億 砍了2600多億砍掉十分之九 |
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620.356 |
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636.115 |
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那這個影響的是地方很多很多的這個建設我剛講的然後一般性補助款你怎麼可以把它變成是審查這兩個趕快改回來 謝謝好 處理長你要 你的答覆就這個書面去答覆好了OK 謝謝三委員接下來我們請書記 |