| IVOD_ID |
164583 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164583 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T11:30:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T11:41:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da62cc4b27b3edbf6427ea0d01a9ed952c83c966d97180d5d2ec4005c00d4bcaf05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:33 - 11:41:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「近期台美關係及關稅談判進展」，併請行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部列席，並備質詢。） |
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說緊急戒嚴的時候他們有個司令官來台灣尋求諮詢尋求支持然後我問你們有沒有抗議是不是有要求他更正你們上次跟我說說有要求他更正然後更正以後會不會通知我這個是我們上一次質詢的進度 |
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那你們後續回覆我的東西我一定會追啊你們說有更正那問題是什麼問題是根本沒人家根本沒有理你啊你怎麼會跟我說有更正從頭到尾沒有更正啊現在網站上面的日期跟內容一模一樣從你們回覆我到現在到目前為止沒有任何更動 |
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人家根本沒有更正啊你們怎麼會跟我說人家有更正我看不懂啊現在是在騙我嗎騙我會有什麼幫助嗎對我們台灣的信譽造成這麼大的傷害你們說有更正是在自我欺騙嗎來 請部長 |
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因為我剛剛看到委員的質詢是當時陳政次回應有關於更正就是說以總統府的那個說明為主但是委員剛剛提到是說我們要更正是要去駐韓的代表處要表達對這件事沒有啦我再跟你講一次過程上一次我問他的時候 |
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說有更正他說答應要錄出再繼續追蹤我說一出更正消息可以把副本給我嗎陳明琦說沒問題結果回覆了我以後我一定去double check我double check的結果就是根本沒有更正你左手邊我又紅框框起來的是你們外交部回覆給我的內容右手邊是我查證的結果根本就沒有更正啊 |
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如果委員如您所說我們有去交涉更正沒有更正也應該要回答委員如果我們去交涉而要求他更正有更正也要來說明所以我會在這件事情後續去追蹤這是上一趴的進度上一趴陳明祺就是這樣跟我講的啊我現在的問題是根本沒更正啊 |
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那騙我說有事實上就沒有啊沒關係啦我不要一直在這個問題上面打轉啦部長也知道我的風格我一定追到底的啦回去以後請部長徹查瞭解這到底是怎麼回事是在自欺欺人還是在欺騙我還是覺得用混的就可以過去一個禮拜之內以書面回覆我可以嗎 |
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可以好 謝謝下一個問題我現在我們其實都支持中華民國台灣對外的外交那我們看過去從2016年以來我們邦交國的數量是越來越少當然這是中共的打壓全台灣人都知道中共打壓也不是現在開始中共打壓台灣很久了 |
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過去四五十年來中共都在打壓台灣2016年以後可能打壓的力道比較強所以讓我們邦交國的數字從21個掉到現在剩12個今年我看了你們外交部的預算有援外的預算援外的預算該怎麼花花在什麼目的用途上面這個我們到審預算的時候好好講 |
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但是我光從整個據實際上面的總數上面來看2016年 員外的經費是90億 |
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然後到了2019年大概都是90幾億到2020年開始變成100多億到2025年的時候是118億結果到2026年的時候暴漲到202億這樣子的經費這樣子的預算部長你要交給國人的成績單是什麼 |
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我跟委員報告我們當然把12個邦交國收好以外很多理念相近的國家像中東歐包括菲律賓我們也要加強你的意思是說要更多錢12個邦交國才能收好嗎我們只有邦交國其實現在的任務業務也比以前多以外我們在擴展 |
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非邦交國 但事實上它的重要性也還邦交國比如說我剛剛講菲律賓 那榮邦計畫我們相對來講 其實立法院也通過對ODA希望要增加但我是有計畫的 不是說我是增加了那麼多預算 而是要做什麼事情 |
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我想這個部分我跟我相信你一定有計畫沒關係我們審預算的時候再慢慢來看因為我們大的picture總是要讓台灣人民知道台灣人民很關心希望台灣在國際社會發光發亮我們支持我們的外交台灣人也都用稅收 |
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去讓我們的官員去做外交總是希望看到成績嘛從2016年的90幾億現在到2026年暴漲到200多億我們總是要告訴國人說我們打算要交出什麼成績單才能夠正當化這個錢啊 |
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那要不然我如果給兩百多億跟給九十億交出來的成績單一樣那大家就會問啊中間的一百多億跑到哪裡去啦這就延續到了我之前一直跟部長所強調的我反對金錢外交我反對金錢外交我反對金錢外交啊我講過很多次啦 |
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當初民進黨政府也說要用價值外交嘛那價值外交後來看價值外交恐怕沒有辦法合理的說明外交部的一些具體作為所以現在呢用了一個新的名詞叫總和外交了價值外交不談了啦 |
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因為蔡英文總統在講的價值外交我看了很多次嘛現在有個新名詞 總和外交總和外交裡面有一個部分叫價值外交我幫部長回答了啦對啦 總和外交裡面有價值外交那當然還有一些其他的東西嘛然後其他的東西當然就會涉及到錢嘛來 我們來看一下錢卡貝 獨裁者的金庫這個是我那個時候 |
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在吹哨者協會跟國際的反貪腐組織OCCRP我們合作的企劃我一毛錢都沒有跟政府拿我一毛錢都沒有跟政府拿我們跟國際的反貪腐組織一起關心台灣作為最大股東的中美洲銀行錢跑到哪裡去了是真的去輔助弱勢小孩婦女 |
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還是跑去被胡搞瞎搞變成所謂獨裁者的金庫這個標題其實不是我想的這個標題是OCCRP用英文表示 翻成中文當然 因為這個樣子 |
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之前的總裁也下台了嘛 直接被轟下台嘛最近新的總裁來做一些改革你看我功課做得多好 新的總裁來你還跟他合照 我都準備好了我就知道你會這樣講所以我知道你跟新的總裁有碰面嘛然後他們新的辦事處搬到天母使館特區嘛你也有去嘛 剩下不到一成 |
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蛤 我說也讓他租金改革啦你說委員講的他內部外部都要進行改革你知不知道卡貝本來在台灣這邊的辦事處在哪101啊101嘛 你知不知道那時候裝潢花多少錢我們現在就是把他改 |
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換到地方我們那個天母那個地方租金現在就剩下十分之一而且就近跟我們卡貝的國家包括瓜地馬拉貝里斯可以合處辦公大家一起合作我同意委員之前的這些這個指導的意見 |
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那我們就是 當然要善用我們在卡貝還有包括歐銀 亞銀的我們的這一些資金要用於我們的榮邦計畫 這個是一個第二個就是要把這個改革要大幅度的進行這樣子會比較快啦2021年在101租了一大片辦公室裝潢花上千萬裝潢花三千萬年租金七百萬 |
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那個時候我跟他們一起在調查的時候我看到卡貝裡面的這個內臟我看了臉都綠了台灣是第一大股東啊如果不關我們台灣的事情我管這些中美洲國家他們愛怎麼亂花錢他們家的事啊我關心的是台灣是第一大股東啊台灣人有沒有被當盤子啊錢拿去中美洲銀行給他們這樣胡搞瞎搞 |
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我看了裝潢費高達上千萬年租金七百萬我的老天啊在台灣是有什麼特殊重要的任務任務很龐雜會搞成這個樣子啊那但是我也不是看紙上的資料以後就在那邊腦補篇故事啊我那時候做了什麼事那個時候一定是實地考察實地考察跑去Cafe 101的大樓看 |
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哇 裡面真的是氣派豪華裝潢非常的好啊但是有個特色 我跟部長報告叫做空蕩蕩很氣派的辦公室裝潢非常的好加上司機總共多少人用那個辦公室空間部長你知不知道 |
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五個人五個人 搶運獎搞起來五個人在101大樓好氣派的辦公室裡面都沒有人是這樣在花台灣納稅人的錢 |
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當初101開幕的時候我們也有大官去拍照啦就像你這一次到天母特區跟他拍照一樣我們那個是合宿辦公啦 比較便宜啦是啦 所以我就肯定你嘛我肯定你的改革嘛上一次鋪張浪費嘛幫我們當盤子嘛現在終於發現只要十分之一的租金啊這個就是我要跟部長交換了這個就是監督的價值這個就是監督的力量不要再說齁 |
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哇 不給你們錢去揮霍就是不支持台灣的外交中美洲銀行對台灣很重要有國際重要的戰略位置不給他錢就是不支持台灣的外交我們當然支持台灣的外交我不支持的是什麼我不支持的是這樣子胡搞瞎搞所以接下來在預算審查的時候我們一定就事論事好好進行實質的審查好 謝謝 |